Trade Talks Halted

[paxamericana]

25 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

A problem in the Canadian family is that every premier of a big province sees themselves as a near peer of the PM which is a recipe for chaos while negotiating with the likes of Trump. 

Sounds like you all are ripe for conquest, a chain of dominoe. All it takes is for one province to go and the rest will fall. Who will it be first? 

Edited October 25, 2025 by paxamericana

[Queenmandy85]

Trump has no intention of letting up on Canada's economy. There will be no "deal." We all know this. Everyone should have been clear on this for the past year or two. If anyone has not understood this fact, they must have been living in the deapest cave in the country. Carney's job is to show the American public that we are acting in good faith. All the government can promise is we are facing hard times, brought on by a rogue American President. 

There comes a time when you have to walk away. If the Americans eventually call, don't appear too eager and never forget what the current US GOVERNMENt has done. (There is a world of difference between the US Administration and the great and generous American people.)

[eyeball]

55 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Sounds like you all are ripe for conquest, a chain of dominoe. All it takes is for one province to go and the rest will fall. Who will it be first? 

Alberta for sure. Except then they'd have to be carpet bombed. Ontario could probably contract that out to China in exchange for a battery/EV plant or something.

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Have they figured out yet who's actually paying America its tariffs?

They seem to be as ignorant as Trump is disingenuous.

Are they all pretending?

He has state governors, the auto sector, oil & gas companies, wine & spirits sector, and the hospitality industry barking at him but so far falling on deaf ears.

September inflation data out the other day and up 0.3% for the month to 3%.  All tariff impacts haven't flowed through the supply chains yet so that's only a matter of time before the yelling starts to get louder.

[Queenmandy85]

49 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Sounds like you all are ripe for conquest, a chain of dominoe. All it takes is for one province, to go and the rest will fall. Who will it be first? 

As long as the Americans understand the consquenses of what will happen. Perhaps they may want to review the casualty figures the Russians have suppered. Canada is the same size as Ukraine and the US is the same size as Russia. Or the times the USA has been defeated by little countries like Afghanistan and Viet Nam. How many American kids are they willing to sacrifice for the glorification of Trump.

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

There comes a time when you have to walk away. If the Americans eventually call, don't appear too eager and never forget what the current US GOVERNMENt has done. (There is a world of difference between the US Administration and the great and generous American people.)

It'll definitely need to be said Americans are the great and generous people who gave Trump the world. He couldn't have done it without them.

Let's face it aside from Vietnam, eventually, American voters have been all to happy or oblivious when siccing their governments on the rest of us.

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Sounds like you all are ripe for conquest, a chain of dominoe. All it takes is for one province to go and the rest will fall. Who will it be first? 

Didn’t you have your fill of conquest already? Those adventures didn’t go too well. 

Edited October 26, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

As long as the Americans understand the consquenses of what will happen. Perhaps they may want to review the casualty figures the Russians have suppered. Canada is the same size as Ukraine and the US is the same size as Russia. Or the times the USA has been defeated by little countries like Afghanistan and Viet Nam. How many American kids are they willing to sacrifice for the glorification of Trump.

I don’t think you fully understand the scale of what you’re implying. First of all ,your male fighting age population 18-24 is less than America’s peacetime military. Second, your population is similar to Ukraine. Third the US population is three times the size of Russia’s . Lastly, our guns work, devastatingly so, and on our home turf. Your cities would be overwhelmed in days. You won’t have time to mobilize a response. Ukraine survive because of American support. Canada would be out of munition with no resupply. You're on an Island, specifically, America's island. Don't be a fool.

Edited October 26, 2025 by paxamericana

[Queenmandy85]

The Americans would occupy most of the main population centres in a few hours without resistance. Things will settle down in a couple of weeks. The occupation forces will find pamplets stating that, while we have enjoyed their visit, it is time to go home to your husbands and children. We are Canadians after all.

The next step is Americans receiving postcard from their home town with photos of their spouse or kids. As new American citizens, we would be covered by the 2nd amendment and our proximity and freedom of travel in the "rest" of the US, is an advantage. IED's will be used all over the US. There are 800,000 Canadians living in the US. 

The current affection Canadians have for Americans is already fading. I heard a vetran say she fought for this country in World War Two and she would do it again. She is 102. An attempt to annex Canada will create absolute hate. If you wonder how Canadians treat our enemies, ask the German SS.

The strategy is to provoke a harsh reaction. No Americans will be safe, except for US Marines. We may be polite, but we aren't stupid.

The war could last 10 or 20 years, but the Americans would leave. We would bleed them out. The US has tried to invade Canada twice before and we defeated them both times. The US has never won a major war without allies. Who would they have to help?

Again, how many American kids is Trump willing to sacrifice for his vanity.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I don’t think you fully understand the scale of what you’re implying. First of all ,your male fighting age population 18-24 is less than America’s peacetime military. Second, your population is similar to Ukraine. Third the US population is three times the size of Russia’s . Lastly, our guns work, devastatingly so, and on our home turf. Your cities would be overwhelmed in days. You won’t have time to mobilize a response. Ukraine survive because of American support. Canada would be out of munition with no resupply. You're on an Island, specifically, America's island. Don't be a fool.

Are you quite well? 

[Zeitgeist]

It’s become clear that the U.S. is no longer functioning as a democracy because one man is getting away with setting reckless policy capriciously without any effective checks on his power.  Canada must become less dependent on the U.S. and chart its own course.  The U.S. isn’t a trustworthy partner.

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s become clear that the U.S. is no longer functioning as a democracy because one man is getting away with setting reckless policy capriciously without any effective checks on his power.  Canada must become less dependent on the U.S. and chart its own course.  The U.S. isn’t a trustworthy partner.

Nah, you could just bend the knee and this would be over tomorrow. 

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

while we have enjoyed their visit, it is time to go home to your husbands and children. We are Canadians after all.

Or you could become a state and avoid all that pleasantries. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Imagine having the leader of a liberal democracy who is so childish, petulant and unstable as to make such a bizarre announcement. In any properly run country he’d be facing his party colleagues tonight for an explanation. America is in serious trouble. 

Edited October 26, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Nah, you could just bend the knee and this would be over tomorrow. 

The U.S. is not an appealing partner under current leadership.  They don’t play fair and are basically extorting.  There’s no winning this way because the U.S. isn’t seen now as a friendly force for good.  They can certainly impose their power on other countries to extract benefits, but those short term gains aren’t worth the long term damage and distrust.  I can see China benefiting and new alliances forming.  Trump has essentially caved into Putin and Xi is holding firm in the tariff wars.  The U.S. is losing allies fast.  

Edited October 26, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

leader of a liberal democracy who is so childish, petulant and unstable as to make such a bizarre announcement.

The best all American America has to offer, Canadians can only fantasise. 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

The best all American America has to offer, Canadians can only fantasise. 

 

He’s a pathetic loser with a lifetime of incompetence and crime behind him. 

[paxamericana]

17 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He’s a pathetic loser with a lifetime of incompetence and crime behind him. 

And unlike the politicians that came before him, willing to speak his mind. Right wrong or indifferent. Something that Governor Trudeau and Carney lack the balls to do.

Edited October 26, 2025 by paxamericana

[taxesanddeath]

Did anyone who posted a reply here actually watch Ronald Reagan's address completely? Ronald Reagan, a deceased U.S. President, was quoted without the surrounding context of a speech about tariffs, allowing Ford to misrepresent the statement for his own agenda. Ford opened a Pandora's box.

The "orange man" did not know what was happening, or perhaps he was waiting for a third-party response first. He only went "ballistic" after this was posted.

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 minutes ago, taxesanddeath said:

Did anyone who posted a reply here actually watch Ronald Reagan's address completely? Ronald Reagan, a deceased U.S. President, was quoted without the surrounding context of a speech about tariffs, allowing Ford to misrepresent the statement for his own agenda. Ford opened a Pandora's box.

The "orange man" did not know what was happening, or perhaps he was waiting for a third-party response first. He only went "ballistic" after this was posted.

Unfortunately, the Foundation misrepresented what Reagan said because like so many institutions in America it now toadies to the fragile ego of one poorly informed man. Reagan was opposed to tariffs in general and regretted when he felt he had to employ them, a completely different position from that of Trump. 
 

Edited October 26, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Trump has no intention of letting up on Canada's economy. There will be no "deal." We all know this. Everyone should have been clear on this for the past year or two. If anyone has not understood this fact, they must have been living in the deapest cave in the country. Carney's job is to show the American public that we are acting in good faith. All the government can promise is we are facing hard times, brought on by a rogue American President. 

There comes a time when you have to walk away. If the Americans eventually call, don't appear too eager and never forget what the current US GOVERNMENt has done. (There is a world of difference between the US Administration and the great and generous American people.)

I think Carney is taking the high road and not insulting or demeaning Trump or any of his minions.

I also think Carney is doing what he can to find other trade partners. Problem with that is that trade partners cannot be made in a day. They have contracts and deals that they must comply with and then Canada can step in. All that may take a while, sometimes years.

I would hope that Carney makes an announcement that everything we make shall be made with Canadian aluminum and steel and lumber and that we should try our hardest to buy Canadian. While the emotion of Canadians is there, it would be good for Carney to actually say that.

The good thing is that Carney is trying and maybe even succeeding in weaning us off the US.  If we would accept China's offer to accept their EV's, we would get a lot of our trade back with them and put a huge dent into the US EV production.

 

Edited October 26, 2025 by ExFlyer

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

If we would accept China's offer to accept their EV's, we would get a lot of our trade back with them

You’d be invaded the next day. Canada could use more freedom 

Edited October 26, 2025 by paxamericana

[taxesanddeath]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Unfortunately, the Foundation misrepresented what Reagan said because like so many institutions in America it now toadies to the fragile ego of one poorly informed man. Reagan was opposed to tariffs in general and regretted when he felt he had to employ them, a completely different position from that of Trump. 
 

I don't know Reagan very well; perhaps he's your BFF. The truth is that Reagan had just placed new duties on some Japanese products the week before and used that speech to explain why. Don't you find it's not the right address to quote?

[ExFlyer]

34 minutes ago, taxesanddeath said:

I don't know Reagan very well; perhaps he's your BFF. The truth is that Reagan had just placed new duties on some Japanese products the week before and used that speech to explain why. Don't you find it's not the right address to quote?

Here

 

[eyeball]

15 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I don’t think you fully understand the scale of what you’re implying. First of all ,your male fighting age population 18-24 is less than America’s peacetime military.

Yeah well, yours are all fat, speaking of scale, and your mothers dress you funny.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, taxesanddeath said:

I don't know Reagan very well; perhaps he's your BFF. The truth is that Reagan had just placed new duties on some Japanese products the week before and used that speech to explain why. Don't you find it's not the right address to quote?

A friend of Reagan? Comrade, do you not immediately recognise me as the woke/queer/transgender/radical/Marxist/leftist/globalist/soccer-loving/left-handed lunatic I clearly am? I don’t think the particular circumstances of the speech are that important for us. What matters is that Reagan was an opponent of tariffs in general and a supporter of an amicable and respectful trade relationship with Canada and Mexico in particular. For good or ill he laid the ground for NAFTA, a glaring contrast with the policies of the current president. 

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By developing methods of working closely together, we will lay the foundations for future cooperation on a broader and more significant scale. We will also put to rest any doubts of those cynical enough to believe that the United States would seek to dominate any relationship among our three countries, or foolish enough to think that the governments and peoples of Canada and Mexico would ever permit such domination to occur. I, for one, am confident that we can show the world by example that the nations of North America are ready, within the context of an unswerving commitment to freedom, to seek new forms of accommodation to meet a changing world. A developing closeness between the United States, Canada and Mexico would serve notice on friend and foe alike that we were prepared for a long haul, looking outward again and confident our of future; that together we are going to create jobs, to generate new fortunes of wealth for many and provide a legacy for the children of each of our countries.

Google ‘Reagan tariffs’ and see the tone of what comes up. It is unmistakable. Yes, Reagan imposed tariffs in his time because it was politically unavoidable but he didn’t like doing it. I’m not saying he was completely right about free trade, just that his opinions were very different from Trump’s which is one reason why Trump got so angry. Another lie has been exposed.

Here’s a great quote. Deep down, I swear I always loved the man despite what I may have been alleged to have said at the time about certain unfortunate events in Central America…

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We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends — weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world — all while cynically waving the American flag.

That is at 3.40 in this speech but the whole thing is only five minutes long and is well worth listening to as a summary of Reagan’s ideas as he left the presidency. Does this man’s approach to trade sound remotely like Trump’s?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp1T7kPEdDY

Note how he speaks beautifully in well-formed sentences and paragraphs that flow so well despite already showing some early signs of Alzheimer’s. Compared to the current nincompoop he sounds like Abraham Lincoln here!

 

 

Edited October 26, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland