Trump says all trade talks with Canada are terminated - Mad at Doug Ford

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

And this is the extent of your capability to understand things.

And ^this is the extent of your capability to formulate a cogent rebuttal argument. LMAO

[eyeball]

44 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It’s funny how particular Trump’s defenders are about the truth all of a sudden. They ignore the torrent of daily lies pouring from their disgusting idol yet expect every ad about him to be an impartial civics lesson. Reagan said that stuff. It’s not fake. There was no AI involved. He really didn’t want to slap on those tariffs. 

The sort of people prone to MAGA will tell you a FIFY is amongst the most heinous things people can do to someone these days. They adore a president for using ridicule and humour to dump on millions of people and then cheer when that same president uses the power of the state to go after people who use satire and comedy to criticize him.

This is the raw power of partisanship these days. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Here’s the speech: 

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-tariff-ad-ronald-reagan

Here’s the ad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pABUi669v3g

I don’t think any fair person could claim that Reagan’s generally unfavourable attitude to tariffs was misrepresented in that ad. 

BTW here is another excerpt from the speech. My italics.

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So, next week I’ll be giving Prime Minister Nakasone this same message: We want to continue to work cooperatively on trade problems and want very much to lift these trade restrictions as soon as evidence permits. We want to do this, because we feel both Japan and the United States have an obligation to promote the prosperity and economic development that only free trade can bring.

Now, that message of free trade is one I conveyed to Canada’s leaders a few weeks ago, and it was warmly received there.

Indeed, throughout the world there’s a growing realization that the way to prosperity for all nations is rejecting protectionist legislation and promoting fair and free competition. Now, there are sound historical reasons for this. For those of us who lived through the Great Depression, the memory of the suffering it caused is deep and searing. And today many economic analysts and historians argue that high tariff legislation passed back in that period called the Smoot-Hawley tariff greatly deepened the depression and prevented economic recovery.

Free trade. As Reagan says, free trade is fair trade. In its entirety the speech illustrates for anybody who didn’t know already that there is a clear as day difference between Trump and Reagan on tariffs and is worth reading for that alone. One likes them and thinks they magically solve all sorts of problems while the other clearly didn’t even when he felt he had to use them. 
 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And this is the extent of your capability to understand things.

LMAO YOU are the one who doesn’t understand anything!  You don’t even value the idea of “understanding”. You believe in blind memorization of what your sources tell you is true even if it doesn’t make sense. You know SFA about what Regan believed or thought and you don’t care to.  You just have this week’s memorized talking points from your far right propaganda cesspool and you think that makes you knowledgeable. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

And you are going to skip the part about countries using unfair trade practices as part of both of their plans? 

Trump’s tariffs aren’t just targeting alleged unfair trade practices, and many of the alleged practices he DOES claim are bogus.

He has blanket tariffs against the entire world including countries like Canada that already have free trade agreements in place and countries ISA already has trade surpluses with…he is violating trade treaties.  Ge is the one saying that anything sold in USA should be made in USA. He is the one implementing unfair trade practices.  Reagan was OPPOSED to all of that.

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO YOU are the one who doesn’t understand anything!  You don’t even value the idea of “understanding”. You believe in blind memorization of what your sources tell you is true even if it doesn’t make sense. You know SFA about what Regan believed or thought and you don’t care to.  You just have this week’s memorized talking points from your far right propaganda cesspool and you think that makes you knowledgeable. 

Yes Dear...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Not in the context of the ad, no. 

That is the point. The ad makes it seem like Reagan was a free trade absolutionist. He was not.

Meh.  I think you're off base here. I don't think that the ad portrayed Reagan as an 'absolutionist' but that it highlighted his very real belief that wherever possible free trade is better, and that is indeed what he believed.  There's no doubt he believed in tariffs where necessary and the ad doesn't speak against that.  He just believed in avoiding them wherever possible

I'm not sure why it's actually an issue to be frank. Reagan would not have approved of trump's tariffs but Reagan isn't who the people elected, and this era isn't Raegan's era.  Trump campaigned on this and he has his own agenda that he things will produce results.  

I tend to side with Reagan but trump's response should be "Reagan was the right man for his day, i'm the right man for this day, and there's often two different paths to the same place." 

Now he just kind of looks like a twit but whatever. 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

...free trade is fair trade...

I think critics of Reagan mostly object to how unfairly free trade unfolded under a twinned policy of laissez faire. Trade has never been free of the machinations of rich and powerful actors looking after their own interests first.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

That ad was a lot fairer than the vast majority of political ads. Reagan generally opposed tariffs but was willing to impose them selectively. By contrast, Trump has alienated the entire world with his shotgun approach to tariffs and made China (China!) look like a more reasonable country to deal with. Ford did not cheat. He used Reagan’s real, spoken words. Whether his ad was wise is a different matter. 

 

The ad was a lie. Pure and simple. 

Trumpndid not alienate the world. He brought them closer to us. We have had more trade deals that benefit us and more new investment in the US because of his tariffs. He reset our international trade to benefit the US and it is amazing. Keep in mind, Reagan was pre-NAFTA and many other trade deals that harmed the US. His perspective was one in which the US was mostly treated fairly. Forty years later, the landscape has changed and neither of us can know if Reagan would love, hate or be indifferent to Trump's trade policy. Nor should it matter. 

The ad was a lie. That is all that matters. For a country that wants to be pur friend, you make it hard when you start lying to our face. 

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Meh.  I think you're off base here. I don't think that the ad portrayed Reagan as an 'absolutionist' but that it highlighted his very real belief that wherever possible free trade is better, and that is indeed what he believed.  There's no doubt he believed in tariffs where necessary and the ad doesn't speak against that.  He just believed in avoiding them wherever possible

I'm not sure why it's actually an issue to be frank. Reagan would not have approved of trump's tariffs but Reagan isn't who the people elected, and this era isn't Raegan's era.  Trump campaigned on this and he has his own agenda that he things will produce results.  

I tend to side with Reagan but trump's response should be "Reagan was the right man for his day, i'm the right man for this day, and there's often two different paths to the same place." 

Now he just kind of looks like a twit but whatever. 

The ad cut out very important context to make it seem as though Reagan was against all tariffs. There is no getting around that. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, gatomontes99 said:

The ad was a lie. Pure and simple. 

LOL no it wasn't   

And there's nothing wrong with that,  reagan can have one viewpoint that's appropriate in his day and age and trump can have a different gameplan suitable for this day and age and they don't have to be the same. 

Yeash, everyone knows Reagan was pro free trade, that doesn't mean every president after him has to be or even SHOULD be 

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Meanwhile in REALITY, Trump is IGNORING the DANGERS and IMPLEMENTING HIGH TARIFFS.

IOW, in KEY WAYS Reagan OPPOSED what Trump is DOING.

I am not surprised that you believe that lie. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

 

The ad cut out very important context to make it seem as though Reagan was against all tariffs. There is no getting around that. 

It really didn't. It just stated why he was pro free trade.  Nothing in there ever suggested there was no time when restrictions aren't warranted.  

It's an ad, it's not a history lesson. 

The ad isn't misleading or lying, that's over the top.  It's fine to point out that reagan did believe in appropriate tarffs where necessary but he was still pro free trade and that was why.

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think critics of Reagan mostly object to how unfairly free trade unfolded under a twinned policy of laissez faire. Trade has never been free of the machinations of rich and powerful actors looking after their own interests first.

For sure. Free trade is good for trade. Its benefits for everything else can be debated. Should the West have let China assume a frighteningly dominant role in global trade? Did we do enough to compensate the local victims of freer trade that has been a huge driver of rural alienation since the Nineties? We are a country with an economy, not vice versa.

Edited October 24, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

The ad quoted a well documented speech by Reagan. It did not make an obscure allegation impossible to refute. Anybody can look up that speech and judge for themselves how fair the ad was. What is clear in that speech and every other one he made is that Reagan saw tariffs as an occasional necessary evil. In no way can any serious person claim that he loved tariffs - that would be simply false. And it is also deeply misleading to claim that ‘Canada’ made the ad. Only an utter turnip would believe that. Doug Ford made it. 

Edited October 24, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

41 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

The ad was a lie. Pure and simple. 

Trumpndid not alienate the world. He brought them closer to us. We have had more trade deals that benefit us and more new investment in the US because of his tariffs. He reset our international trade to benefit the US and it is amazing. Keep in mind, Reagan was pre-NAFTA and many other trade deals that harmed the US. His perspective was one in which the US was mostly treated fairly. Forty years later, the landscape has changed and neither of us can know if Reagan would love, hate or be indifferent to Trump's trade policy. Nor should it matter. 

The ad was a lie. That is all that matters. For a country that wants to be pur friend, you make it hard when you start lying to our face. 

The ad cut out very important context to make it seem as though Reagan was against all tariffs. There is no getting around that. 

In general, was Ronald Reagan for or against tariffs? 

[BeaverFever]

51 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Trumpndid not alienate the world. He brought them closer to us. We have had more trade deals that benefit us and more new investment in the US because of his tariffs.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

The false reality you live in is hilarious 

[BeaverFever]

53 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Keep in mind, Reagan was pre-NAFTA

The Canada-USA Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA predecessor) was signed into law by Reagan on September 28, 1988. Mexico was added, creating NAFTA, by his immediate Republican successor, George Bush Sr. in 1992. 
 

 

[Hodad]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

The false reality you live in is hilarious 

Look how much closer the world is to us. The line chart is practically hugging Trump!

 

 

Those Nigerian princes from the emails must kinda like him though. Grift game recognizes game. 

 

Edited October 24, 2025 by Hodad

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

an avowed enemy during a profound national crisis. If they hate our country so much they really should not stay here. 

Well there it is, are you going to start a concentration camp and start deporting people to Africa? If not, take a seat.

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

pro free trade and that was why.

mmhmmm let me know when Canada decides they want free trade. Why don't you start by dropping the provincial trade barrier oh wait...

[gatomontes99]

45 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In general, was Ronald Reagan for or against tariffs? 

Reagan was for the targeted use of tariffs, calling it fair trade. He spoke in generalities about if tariffs were too high but did not define what that meant. He did impose tariffs as President. 

In total, Reagan and Trump agree on some concepts and disagree on others. The ad is a lie because it paints Reagan as being against all tariffs. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Reagan was for the targeted use of tariffs, calling it fair trade. He spoke in generalities about if tariffs were too high but did not define what that meant. He did impose tariffs as President. 

In total, Reagan and Trump agree on some concepts and disagree on others. The ad is a lie because it paints Reagan as being against all tariffs. 

They do not agree on tariffs. Read this article from the conservative NRO:

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Much of the Trump trade posture, however, is explicitly protectionist, rejecting Reagan’s entire framework of seeking an end goal of free trade, or it’s based on the anti-free-trade assumption that trade deficits in manufactured goods are somehow proof of an absence of fair trade. So you can see why Trump, even aside from his general dislike of a foreign government running TV ads targeting American voters, would be hypersensitive to this message. In fact, Trump was harshly critical of Reagan’s stance at the time for being too soft on Japan: He spent nearly $100,000 in September 1987 running a full-page ad  in the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Boston Globe arguing that Japan was ripping us off by not shouldering the costs of its own defense, a theme similar to what he says today.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-is-mad-at-canada-but-not-for-misquoting-reagan/

Edited October 24, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[gatomontes99]

35 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The Canada-USA Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA predecessor) was signed into law by Reagan on September 28, 1988. Mexico was added, creating NAFTA, by his immediate Republican successor, George Bush Sr. in 1992. 
 

 

Reagan also imposed tariffs on steel, Japanese cars, Japanese electronics, motorcycles, and European ag. 

Further, Reagan said free trade would lead to job growth and lower cost. However, NAFTA became a huge drain on American manufacturing, Detroit being a prime example of the decimation. 

[gatomontes99]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

They do not agree on tariffs. Read this article from the conservative NRO:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-is-mad-at-canada-but-not-for-misquoting-reagan/

You took my statement of they agree on some aspects and not others to mean they agree on all aspects and then try to disprove something I didnt say by proving half of my statement correct? C'mon man. Do better.

43 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The Canada-USA Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA predecessor) was signed into law by Reagan on September 28, 1988. Mexico was added, creating NAFTA, by his immediate Republican successor, George Bush Sr. in 1992. 
 

 

You are trying to prove me wrong by proving me right? 

[SpankyMcFarland]

12 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You took my statement of they agree on some aspects and not others to mean they agree on all aspects and then try to disprove something I didnt say by proving half of my statement correct? C'mon man. Do better.

You are trying to prove me wrong by proving me right? 

I am trying to show you that there is an obvious difference of opinion between these two people about tariffs. They only rarely agreed on tariffs. Reagan disliked tariffs in general. Trump likes them in general. That is a disagreement. The ad was accurate on what was important. It accurately conveyed Reagan’s general dislike of tariffs. Trump actually disagreed with him at the time over this and he still disagrees with him. That’s one reason why he’s so touchy about it. That and the fact that he spends his life watching TV. 

Edited October 24, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland