Is there a plan for 2050, or is it all talk and no action?

[suds]

By 2050, total electricity supply capacity in Canada is expected to grow between 2.2 and 3.4 times current volume. This will mostly depend on increases in population growth, the switchover to electric vehicles, the use of heat pumps, and likely about another hundred things that will be powered by electricity instead of fossil fuels. And to handle this dramatic increase in electrification, new infrastructure will have to be built to support it which is not going to be easy or cheap either. This is all projected to be necessary if we're to achieve net-zero green house gas emissions by 2050. One thing we're not short of is legislation, except legislation is not a plan. A plan is what makes it possible to implement the legislation. Of course things can change dramatically if something like nuclear fusion becomes a reality and put to everyday use. In my opinion we should at least be making calculations on how much clean energy we require based on what kind of economy we desire, acceptable living standards, and projected population growth. The only plan I see on the horizon is cutting fossil fuels by 30 or 40% by 2030 with no clear plan to replace that lost energy source.  Your thoughts?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, suds said:

The only plan I see on the horizon is cutting fossil fuels by 30 or 40% by 2030 with no clear plan to replace that lost energy source.  Your thoughts?

I think it's entirely possible we'll have increased our use of fossil fuels by that much, especially globally.

In the meantime are people of the opinion or hope that a technological breakthrough will also get us out of the quagmire of other issues like war, economic inequality, rampant misinformation, political hatred and violence etc etc, the world is up to its neck in?

Why?

[August1991]

2 hours ago, suds said:

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And to handle this dramatic increase in electrification, new infrastructure will have to be built to support it which is not going to be easy or cheap either. This is all projected to be necessary if we're to achieve net-zero green house gas emissions by 2050. One thing we're not short of is legislation, except legislation is not a plan. A plan is what makes it possible to implement the legislation.

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The only plan I see on the horizon is cutting fossil fuels by 30 or 40% by 2030 with no clear plan to replace that lost energy source.  Your thoughts?

This is the plan of Quebecers.

By chance, they have hydro.

[suds]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think it's entirely possible we'll have increased our use of fossil fuels by that much, especially globally.

In the meantime are people of the opinion or hope that a technological breakthrough will also get us out of the quagmire of other issues like war, economic inequality, rampant misinformation, political hatred and violence etc etc, the world is up to its neck in?

Why?

Possibly. But here's the other thing...  our debt at federal and provincial levels is becoming unsustainable. Politicians keep stacking debt on top of debt under the belief that our economy will keep growing and growing and it's that future economic growth that will pay off today's debts. It won't though if we don't have enough available energy to power those future growing economies. Energy is key, and if we don't have the energy we need, it's the beginning of the end. There's also another way of looking at this.... I believe we both share similar ideas about limiting world population growth. If we can do that (which is also beneficial for reducing climate change) and find a way to maintain decent living standards without depending on infinite economic growth, then that would be something. But all that requires a certain amount of sacrifice and planning.

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, suds said:

I believe we both share similar ideas about limiting world population growth. If we can do that (which is also beneficial for reducing climate change) and find a way to maintain decent living standards without depending on infinite economic growth, then that would be something. But all that requires a certain amount of sacrifice and planning.

I agree but I just think we're decades too late.

No one seems to be in any kind of mood for sacrificing or compromising. The waterhole has gotten smaller and the animals are getting meaner.

But who knows, it just may be that unmitigated unleashing is the only thing that will save us. Like a last ditch Hail Mary pass.

[Nefarious Banana]

13 hours ago, August1991 said:

This is the plan of Quebecers.

By chance, they have hydro.

Yet they whine and sniffle that they are a 'have~not' province that requires equalization/transfer payments.  A province of wang~kers . . . 

[herbie]

Oh you secret Can't-servatives!

Europe is already well on it's way, we've twice the land mass and 1/12 the population and the only real difficulty is in remaining economically tied to the other half of the continent insisting on going backwards.

We've barely dabbled in tidal and geothermal and pissed away our nuclear advantage like we did the Avro Arrow. Not to mention all the smaller sites where water rushes down off mountain tops.

[CdnFox]

On 10/12/2025 at 10:42 PM, eyeball said:

No one seems to be in any kind of mood for sacrificing or compromising.

We've done nothing but sacrifice and compromise for the last 10 years. We borrowed billions upon billions  to 'invest in our future' and sacrificed massively to 'carbon tax' and such. 

the problem is it was all a lie, and nobody's interested in trusting losers like you again. 

[Army Guy]

On 10/12/2025 at 11:22 PM, August1991 said:

This is the plan of Quebecers.

By chance, they have hydro.

Quebec has no hydro....NFLD has the Hydro, and the new NFLD government might not honor the new plan with Quebec....

[eyeball]

On 10/14/2025 at 10:09 AM, CdnFox said:

the problem is it was all a lie, and nobody's interested in trusting losers like you again. 

Yup, the day will certainly come when you people are blaming the left for not being more alarmist.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yup, the day will certainly come when you people are blaming the left for not being more alarmist.

First off that day will never come because we honestly don't believe it's possible for you to be more alarmist

The second way the day will never come because you've been full of shit the whole time. The climate will change, we will adapt, overtime technology and sexual changes as well and create opportunity for practical solutions at work to reduce pollution.

I'm sure you'll come up with another Boogeyman by then.

[August1991]

On 10/14/2025 at 4:47 PM, Army Guy said:

Quebec has no hydro....NFLD has the Hydro, and the new NFLD government might not honor the new plan with Quebec....

Disagree.

Quebecers are rich in cheap eco-friendly, hydro-electrictity.

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Quebecers are rich in cheap eco-friendly, hydro-electrictity.

new Conservative government in NFLD, are going to put this issue to a vote with the people deciding if Quebec gets another shot at NFLD hydro.....They may be rich now , but once the agreement gets reviewed Quebec may be holding an empty bag....So much for profiting off someone else work...

[August1991]

On 10/16/2025 at 4:43 PM, Army Guy said:

new Conservative government in NFLD... 

Barely.

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But I was sarcastic about Quebec. Norwegians too have lots of hydro-power. Low cost, easy, virtue signaling.  

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Barely.

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But I was sarcastic about Quebec. Norwegians too have lots of hydro-power. Low cost, easy, virtue signaling.  

No, barely a majority but definitely not barely a government