Canada and other NATO members recognize Palestine in Defiance of US government

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

And The Germans voted for  Hitler what’s your point?  This is your analogy here so be consistent  

And besides that ONE election was decades ago already, and was an anti-incumbent vote against the PA due to dissatisfaction with corruption. Hamas at the time did not campaign  on attacking Israel and even promised a ling-term truce 

Half of them still support Hamas and October 7th. We can't negotiate woth that. 

https://pcpsr.org/en/node/997

 

[Moonlight Graham]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No, “giving land” to Palestinians and saying Hamas can play no part is like giving Germany to the Germans and saying Nazis can play no part, which is exactly what happened.  

No, its not. Hamas doesn’t want a 2 state solution either. 

They don't, but for the last several years they say they do, because having a state is a gain to them from the current situation.   Their ultimate goal being the destruction of Israel and getting back control of all that land for Muslims.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Half of them still support Hamas and October 7th. We can't negotiate woth that. 

https://pcpsr.org/en/node/997

 

Your link doesn’t say half support Hamas it says half don’t support anti-Hamas demonstrations that Palestinians are also doing which isn’t exactly the same thing. So AT MOST half support Hamas but likely it’s less than that for those who don’t support Hamas or the protests. 
 

At any rate Netanyahu forced this outcome because he is on the cusp of swallowing up west bank making a viable Palestinian state an impossibility. Anyone can tell that there will never be lasting peace without a 2-state solution. 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

You mean Canada and the other NATO countries are supporters terror? 

They're outright Jew-haters, as bad as Einstein.

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

At any rate

At any rate you just completely ignored how I once again called out your BS. 

[gatomontes99]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Your link doesn’t say half support Hamas

Yes it does:

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Only half of the Palestinians in the current poll view Hamas’ decision to carry out the October 7 attack as “correct.” 

 

[Deluge]

On 9/21/2025 at 7:03 PM, robosmith said:

Four major Western nations recognise Palestinian state, to ...

Reuters

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4 hours ago — LONDON/TORONTO, Sept 21 (Reuters) - Britain, Canada, Australia and Portugal all recognised a Palestinian state on Sunday in a move borne out ...

Missing: NATO ‎members ‎Defiance

 

Britain, Canada and Australia formally recognize a ...

CNN

https://www.cnn.com › 2025/09/21 › world › palestinia...

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago — Canada and the UK are the first G7 countries to recognize Palestine, but fellow members Japan, Italy and Germany oppose the move. CNN's Abeer ...

Missing: NATO ‎Defiance

 

UK, Australia and Canada recognize a Palestinian state ...

ABC7 Los Angeles

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8 hours ago — The U.K., Australia and Canada formally recognized a Palestinian state, prompting an angry response from Israel, which ruled out the prospect.

So what? Canada and other NATO members also recognize and respect Sharia law. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Israel attacking Qatar was state terrorism pure and simple. Imagine trying to kill the team you are negotiating with to get your hostages released! It’s unbelievable. The Arab states cannot depend on America to protect them from such aggression any more. When it comes to Israel the Americans are worse than useless. I suspect that, increasingly, the Arabs will have to turn to China. India may also start playing a larger role in the region. It’s in their back yard. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Since no later than 1977, four years after its founding, Netanyahu’s Likud party has been crystal clear on the matter of a Palestinian state: ‘between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty’. Netanyahu has also been clear. He is carrying on that prohibition. Talking to him about a Palestinian state is a waste of time. 

 

[User]

43 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Israel attacking Qatar was state terrorism pure and simple. Imagine trying to kill the team you are negotiating with to get your hostages released! It’s unbelievable. The Arab states cannot depend on America to protect them from such aggression any more. When it comes to Israel the Americans are worse than useless. I suspect that, increasingly, the Arabs will have to turn to China. India may also start playing a larger role in the region. It’s in their back yard. 

LOL, this is some great spin man. I mean, A+ stuff here. It is total BS, but whew, its a good one. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, User said:

LOL, this is some great spin man. I mean, A+ stuff here. It is total BS, but whew, its a good one. 

Why, thank you. I aim to please. 

[Deluge]

On 9/22/2025 at 1:28 PM, robosmith said:

But MAYBE I can get him to admit HE has NO EVIDENCE for his CLAIMS.

Robowoke is always asking for evidence because he/him doesn't have any. 

[robosmith]

On 9/23/2025 at 7:45 PM, BeaverFever said:

Your link doesn’t say half support Hamas it says half don’t support anti-Hamas demonstrations that Palestinians are also doing which isn’t exactly the same thing. So AT MOST half support Hamas but likely it’s less than that for those who don’t support Hamas or the protests. 
 

At any rate Netanyahu forced this outcome because he is on the cusp of swallowing up west bank making a viable Palestinian state an impossibility. Anyone can tell that there will never be lasting peace without a 2-state solution. 

I think you're overlooking the possibility of GENOCIDE of Palestinians by Israel's IDF

[SpankyMcFarland]

Nearly every other country in the world has done this already. America is the outlier, not Canada. 

[gatomontes99]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Nearly every other country in the world has done this already. America is the outlier, not Canada. 

Fùck em. They sided with the people that literally killed and raped women and children for the thrill of it. As far as I am concerned, we should isolate ourselves from Canada. 

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Fùck em. They sided with the people that literally killed and raped women and children for the thrill of it. As far as I am concerned, we should isolate ourselves from Canada. 

You don't understand the DIFFERENCE between the small minority which is Hamas and the vast majority which have NO GUNS and NO CONTROL.

[gatomontes99]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

You don't understand the DIFFERENCE between the small minority which is Hamas and the vast majority which have NO GUNS and NO CONTROL.

Is that why 50% still approve of Hamas?

[suds]

Netanyahu at the U.N. .... "The persistent Palestinian rejection of a Jewish state in any boundary is what has driven this conflict for over a century. It is still driving it. It's not the absence of a Palestinian state, it's the presence of a Jewish state."

As most of us are all aware, he's right. Land once conquered by Islam  must remain under Islamic control indefinitely. The concept is known as 'waqf' which designates controlled land as a permanent endowment for the benefit of Muslims. Selling land to Jews in Palestine was a sin. Arafat used the same rationale to reject all peace proposals that required recognition of Israel as a Jewish state regardless of how big or small. Article 11 of the Hamas Charter states that 'the land of Palestine is an Islamic waqf for the benefit of Muslims throughout the generations and until the day of resurrection.' The land that Israel sits on today was first conquered by Muslims during the seige of Jerusalem 636 to 637 CE. From what I understand, the civilian population under the PA and in Gaza mostly regard this view as Holy and inalienable and will not support any 2 state solution. It's why when Jordan and Egypt controlled the West Bank and Gaza there was little mention or concern about a Palestinian state. It's why any final settlement must be settled between all parties for this to even have a hope of working. 

[eyeball]

18 hours ago, suds said:

The land that Israel sits on today was first conquered by Muslims during the seige of Jerusalem 636 to 637 CE. From what I understand, the civilian population under the PA and in Gaza mostly regard this view as Holy and inalienable and will not support any 2 state solution.

Jewish refugees from Europe thought moving into a hornets nest was a good idea, and we thought it would be a good idea to help push them into it?

Was everyone back then utterly oblivious or did they just not give a shit?

[robosmith]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Jewish refugees from Europe thought moving into a hornets nest was a good idea, and we thought it would be a good idea to help push them into it?

Was everyone back then utterly oblivious or did they just not give a shit?

They probably thought the hornet's nest in Palestine was better than the one in Germany.

In their desperation, they became like the Gestapo they were fleeing.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

They probably thought the hornet's nest in Palestine was better than the one in Germany.

I think it was mostly obliviousness and the ship full of refugees we sent back to die in Hitler's ovens makes it clear we also didn't give a shit.

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I think it was mostly obliviousness and the ship full of refugees we sent back to die in Hitler's ovens makes it clear we also didn't give a shit.

Doubtful that the US was aware of the mass murder Hitler was carrying out at that time since they did it in foreign countries.

Nor the status of ALL of the people on that ship. Could have included Nazi spies like those who were previously caught.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Doubtful that the US was aware of the mass murder Hitler was carrying out at that time since they did it in foreign countries.

Nor the status of ALL of the people on that ship. Could have included Nazi spies like those who were previously caught.

Ignorance is no excuse.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Ignorance is no excuse.

Security is a decent excuse. If we allowed too many Nazi spies into the country, we might not have won the war.

Of course it's easy for you and me to criticize since we were not alive then.

[suds]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Jewish refugees from Europe thought moving into a hornets nest was a good idea, and we thought it would be a good idea to help push them into it?

Was everyone back then utterly oblivious or did they just not give a shit?

Gee, what could it possibly be that drew Jewish refugees and immigrants to Palestine for hundreds of years before Canada even became a country????? Strong historical ties to the land perhaps? Jerusalem maybe? Maybe it wasn't such a great idea about building a mosque on top of the Jewish holiest site. Maybe today Jews and Muslims would have gotten along a lot better. Who knows.