Multiculturalism has been disastrous for Canada

[I am Groot]

It remains difficult to explain how Canada persists in its devotion to these concepts.

Multiculturalism has been around since the 1970s, brought in by the elder Trudeau. But he never intended it to go this far and expressed his regret over the policy, saying it had become "twisted to celebrate a newcomers's country of origin instead of the newcomer becoming a part of the Canadian fabric."

Such noted luminaries as Germany's chancellor Angela Merkal, Britain's PM David Cameron, France's PM Nicolas Sarkozy who once embraced the concept wound up rejecting it absolutely more than a decade ago. But in Canada, you either trumpet the supposed wonders of multiculturalism or you're a nazi/fascist/xenophobe/white supremacist. 

Oddly, the UK's present Labour party PM perhaps expressed the problem with multiculturalism most cleanly when he said Britain "risked becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together." Naturally, when it was pointed out to him how much Labour relies on the votes of Muslim immigrants, he recanted, but he wasn't wrong with his original statement. And that's what's happening here. As far back as 2017, an Immigration Canada report warned that ethnic enclaves were growing, immigrants weren't assimilating, weren't learning the language as well as previous generations, and that friction between separate groups was growing. Naturally, the Trudeau government ignored it and cranked the immigration knob to overdrive.

A nation requires a sense of shared identity, of shared values and beliefs. Without that, it will inevitably collapse when things get rough, probably violently. There are many examples of this through history but no examples that I'm aware of where a nation with multiple groups that have different values and beliefs somehow helped a nation stay together. One of the worst things the colonial powers did in Africa was establish arbitrary borders and then grant these new 'nations' their independence. Naturally, they all collapsed into internal bickering and war because those borders encompassed many different groups with different cultures, values, and beliefs.

We've seen what just having two 'distinct societies' in Canada can do to harm national unity and threaten the existence of the country, and yet we're growing more. We're bringing in millions of people from distinct cultural groups and then telling them not to bother to integrate because they have a wonderful culture and should celebrate it. How long before real violence starts to break out between these growing ethnic groups?

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

How long before real violence starts to break out between these growing ethnic groups?

Probably not before or anything like what's going to break out between lefties and righties.

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Probably not before or anything like what's going to break out between lefties and righties.

You realize the major cause of rightist anger towards the left IS immigration, right?

[August1991]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

It remains difficult to explain how Canada persists in its devotion to these concepts.

Multiculturalism has been around since the 1970s, brought in by the elder Trudeau. 

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Canada has no official culture.

The US has no official religion.

Edited September 20, 2025 by August1991

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You realize the major cause of rightist anger towards the left IS immigration, right?

No. There's way to many grievances to keep separate or track of. Half the time you people get started on something you'll have also dragged COVID, trannies, Hunter's laptop and anti-Semitism into the mix before you're done.

That big tent thingy y'all got going is a regular Freakers Ball.

[Moonlight Graham]

10 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Multiculturalism has been around since the 1970s, brought in by the elder Trudeau. But he never intended it to go this far and expressed his regret over the policy, saying it had become "twisted to celebrate a newcomers's country of origin instead of the newcomer becoming a part of the Canadian fabric."

I googled this quote, it doesn't seem to exist.  Is it a paraphrase?  Do you have a cite?

[Moonlight Graham]

Multiculturalism has been a disaster in Canada for several centuries.  Anglo vs French vs indigenous has caused many problems.

Some cultures, like Germans, Italians etc, have been able to assimilate without many major issues, save some security concerns during WWI and WW2.

Other cultures may not pose much of a problem for unity until they become political.  For instance, it's a problem if you're voting for a political candidate because of their ethnicity.

Edited September 20, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

Some cultures, like Germans, Italians etc, have been able to assimilate without many major issues, save some security concerns during WWI and WW2.

 

Very true. 

 

Even then, what has forgotten over time is the fights between these peoples and the effort that had to be made to forge unity 

And we're talking about people who largely had a common religion, race and were very aware of each other's culture back in the Homeland.

 

 

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I googled this quote, it doesn't seem to exist.  Is it a paraphrase?  Do you have a cite?

It came from a piece I found elsewhere.

 

 

Edited September 20, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Other cultures may not pose much of a problem for unity until they become political.  For instance, it's a problem if you're voting for a political candidate because of their ethnicity.

Although the media won't talk about it, we all know this is exactly what is happening today. Any riding that has a substantial (but minority) ethnic presence will usually have a candidate from that group. Why? Two reasons. One. All parties know that if the other guy has an ethnic candidate and they don't, the other party will automatically get almost all the votes from that ethnic group. Given ridings are often won with little more than 30% of the vote, if a candidate can get almost all of a particular ethnic group that makes up say 20% of the riding to vote for them, they'll almost certainly win.

The second reason, of course, is that a candidate from a given ethnic group, say Sikhs, will go to their temple and to community events and he'll say "I've joined the X party. They will soon be choosing who will be the candidate in the next election. Join the party and you can vote for me and I'll look after your interests and those of the Sikh community, and fight against the evil Indians oppressing us in our homeland. Most ridings only have a hundred active members, if that, and only a fraction of the rest of the party members in that riding will show up to vote for who will be the candidate. A few busloads can usually get you the nomination. This is how Jagmeet Singh got elected leader of the NDP. 

The media know all about this but never speak about it. This is because it's part of those things the media chooses not to make part of any public conversation lest it cause impure thoughts in those lesser Canadians who aren't gifted with the wisdom and nobility of journalists.

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

No. There's way to many grievances to keep separate or track of. Half the time you people get started on something you'll have also dragged COVID, trannies, Hunter's laptop and anti-Semitism into the mix before you're done.

That big tent thingy y'all got going is a regular Freakers Ball.

Who is 'you people'? 

Because those who would do that are generally not conservatives, any more than US Republicans are conservatives. I don't give a shit about covid or hunter's laptop. Though antisemitism should certainly be pulled into the discussion because unscreened immigration is a big part of its rise.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

Canada has no official culture.

The US has no official religion.

You know, if you'd learn to write things backwards at least you'd sound more like Yoda. Otherwise, these odd, mysterious pronouncements of yours just seem like brain farts.

"No religion, the Americans have."

See, it sounds sort of profound. Though you have to pitch your voice like  Yoda to pull it off.

[Michael Hardner]

23 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 

A nation requires a sense of shared identity, of shared values and beliefs. Without that, it will inevitably collapse when things get rough, probably violently. There are many examples of this through history but no examples that I'm aware of where a nation with multiple groups that have different values and beliefs somehow helped a nation stay together. 

That sounds more like immigration, not multiculturalism.  They're different.

The USA forged many different peoples together quite well overall.

They created their own new values, and it worked because they made a land of opportunity.

[herbie]

Sing the same song once again and loudly deny it is purely racist.

Never seen your "Chinese" neighbour buying Christmas trees?
Never seen the TV channel where the hockey game's announced in Punjabi?
Seen a Haitian eat at Timmie's?

People aren't beaten into assimilation here they blend in at the speed that's comfortable. And the rest of us gain by taking and adapting some of what they bring.
Tried that colonialist "assimilation" BS in the past with residential schools and 60s scoops and you're one of them constantly griping over paying the price for that utter fail.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

 it is purely racist.

So? What is wrong with racism?

People often remember Hitler and his killing machine when they hear racism and yes it is rightfully condemned. Racism simply means that different races are different and some are superior in culture. For example those who believe in equality of Women and respect for human rights are superior in culture to those who don't. 

Science has proven evolution and people in different parts of the world are evolved to different scale. Surely nobody can claim everyone evolved totally equally? This is true for other species too. For example we have very smart guard or police or guide dogs and then we have useless street dogs (the majority of dogs).

Edited September 20, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

For instance, it's a problem if you're voting for a political candidate because of their ethnicity.

A much bigger problem is when they come here and then they wish to impose their way of life on people born and raised here or their ancestors built this country. If they don't like this culture get the F*ck out.

[Michael Hardner]

56 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

  If they don't like this culture get the F*ck out.

I get it, but.... there has to be some kind of acknowledgement of the irony here:

Canada's multiculturalism is a long-standing attribute of our culture, in different forms over the years.

So... who decides what our culture is?  I'm feel like we have more common values than culture.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

So? What is wrong with racism?

People are repulsed by how unfair and arrogant it is, on the whole.

Acknowledging that races are different is simple and not offensive.

Deciding that one is 'superior' and that it happens to be yours is wrong-headed and arrogant.

[CITIZEN_2015]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

People are repulsed by how unfair and arrogant it is, on the whole.

Acknowledging that races are different is simple and not offensive.

Deciding that one is 'superior' and that it happens to be yours is wrong-headed and arrogant.

It is unfair yes. I wish everyone was born healthy, beautiful. athletic, strong, intelligent and kind-hearted, but this is not the case. This is a fact not arrogancy.

Why lying? Because you lost debate? Quote me where I said my race is superior. I did say indirectly my culture is superior because we believe in women's rights and equality and respect for human rights and I stand by my comments but I challenge you to quote me where I said my race is superior.

Edited September 20, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

1. It is unfair yes. I wish everyone was born healthy, beautiful. athletic, strong, intelligent and kind-hearted, but this is not the case. This is a fact not arrogancy.

2. Why lying? Because you lost debate? Quote me where I said my race is superior.

3. I did say indirectly my culture is superior because we believe in women's rights and equality and respect for human rights and I stand by my comments but I challenge you to quote me where I said my race is superior.

1. Yes, it's arrogant to think that your race owns these traits. 

2. Okay, my bad. Were saying that another race other than yours is superior? Which one? 

3. You said your culture is superior by your own admission. In the same paragraph you say it is and then challenge me to point out where you say it is.

[CITIZEN_2015]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes, it's arrogant to think that your race owns these traits. 

2. Okay, my bad. Were saying that another race other than yours is superior? Which one? 

3. You said your culture is superior by your own admission. In the same paragraph you say it is and then challenge me to point out where you say it is.

No Michael. Again you misquote me. I never said anything about my race owns these traits. Quote me where I said that.

Yes but not another race but certain races more evolved than others. Mine is not among them.

I did say my culture which is based on respect for women and feminism and human rights is superior to those who don't and I stand by this strongly and repeatedly but you in a dishonest way tried to tie culture with race and misquote me into saying that my race is superior. I didn't expect this from you Michael. You always been moderate and fair. I was absent here for a few months. Did aliens kidnapped and change you?

Race - you are born into it and have no choice.

Culture - You acquire it during lifetime and is adoptable. You have a choice to reject those who violate Women's rights, violate human rights, cause pain. war and terrorism and sufferings. 

Edited September 20, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

[Michael Hardner]

20 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 

I did say my culture which is based on respect for women and feminism and human rights is superior to those who don't and I stand by this strongly and repeatedly but you in a dishonest way tried to tie culture with race and misquote me into saying that my race is superior. 

I don't enjoy Twister.

Let's just let this sentence stand, as the summation of your position.

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Who is 'you people'? 

The menagerie of Freaks at the Freakers Ball under the Big right wing Tent. You know, where the space laser people and white-replacement people and anti-vax, anti-Semite and pro-Semite people etc etc can put their differences aside and focus all their attention on the left.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Sing the same song once again and loudly deny it is purely racist.

Never seen your "Chinese" neighbour buying Christmas trees?
Never seen the TV channel where the hockey game's announced in Punjabi?
Seen a Haitian eat at Timmie's?

People aren't beaten into assimilation here they blend in at the speed that's comfortable. And the rest of us gain by taking and adapting some of what they bring.
Tried that colonialist "assimilation" BS in the past with residential schools and 60s scoops and you're one of them constantly griping over paying the price for that utter fail.

It's not racist to protect your culture.  Nobody wants immigrants to go to residential schools.  Stop feeling guilty for defending your culture.  You've been brainwashed to believe it's "racist" to do so.  None of these societies where these people you mention come from would accommodate our culture or language if we moved there.   They aren't Nazis and neither am I.

If you stepped foot on an indigenous reserve you would do so with respect and would do anything they asked when you're on their turf to respect their culture and their practices, or leave.  Are they racist Nazis?  You'd do the same if you moved to another country like those of the ethnicities you mentioned.   You do so because you hold their cultures with much more respect than you do your own.   This is why your type of thinking is submissive, weak, guilt-ridden, and self-loathing.

Do you think Canada or Britain or France or Italy etc have cultures less worthy to maintain and protect than India, China, Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else where non-caucasians live?  Of course you do.  You've internalized racism against your own race as less worthy and so have many others.  And if you happen to not be a caucasian Canadian at all then wouldn't that make you a racist?

[eyeball]

Another thread that underscores why I identify as an Earthling.

Once ya'll get your silly countries off my planet maybe we can develop a more common values-based culture that kids usually have their heads around by the time they graduate kindergarten.