Trump says domestic violence not really a crime!

[blackbird]

This is insanity.  Domestic violence is certainly a serious crime.  Many spouses have been killed by their partner.  Domestic violence is a serious problem for many people, destroys families and wrecks many people's lives.

Why does he come out with these far out claims?   What are these MAGA people thinking and do they support these kind of comments?

Domestic violence is not really a crime, says Trump

Critics Shocked At Trump's Domestic Violence Crime Comment | HuffPost Latest News

Domestic violence is not really a crime, says Trump

"President Donald Trump suggested domestic violence shouldn’t be considered a serious crime during a speech Monday on religious liberty, while also complaining that crime statistics aren’t lower in Washington, D.C. since his federal crime crackdown."

Trump Suggests Domestic Violence Is A ‘Much Lesser’ Crime

Trump Says Having ‘a Little Fight With the Wife’ Should Not Count as a Crime - The New York Times

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Trump questions whether 'lesser' crimes such as domestic violence should count toward DC crime statistics - ABC News

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Trump downplays domestic violence in speech about religious freedom

"If a man has a little fight with the wife, they say this was a crime," Trump said Monday. "

Trump downplays domestic violence

Donald Trump Dangerously Says Domestic Violence Isn't A Real Crime

Edited September 17, 2025 by blackbird

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

This is insanity.  Domestic violence is certainly a serious crime.  Many spouses have been killed by their partner.  Domestic violence is a serious problem for many people, destroys families and wrecks many people's lives.

Why does he come out with these far out claims?   What are these MAGA people thinking and do they support these kind of comments?

Domestic violence is not really a crime, says Trump

Of course Trump denies domestic violence because he was accused of raping Ivana.

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[Venandi]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

Domestic violence is certainly a serious crime.

Seems to me he was talking about "crime statistics" here. He was (IMO anyway) suggesting that how they are collected, compiled and released (in different jurisdictions) has an impact on the perceived efficacy of any policing effort.  

In terms of "domestic responses," how many of the total number of responses result in an actual arrest for an actual crime? Many are resolved on scene with a "be kind to each other and don't make us come back" salutation as members depart.

When data collection methods are modified it's usually deliberate and it's usually intended to make a political point and the collection methods rarely receive the scrutiny they deserve. So, counting responses where no arrest is made as "crimes" tends to falsely skew statistics.

My favourite example was the machinations surrounding "domestically sourced crime guns" in Canada.

If it was truly a domestically sourced gun it was counted as such and that's fair enough. But in order to pad the numbers, untraceable guns which were clearly (and illegally) imported from the US and any other untraceable weapon from any source (ghost guns, 3d printed etc) were included in the "domestically sourced" numbers whether they were actually sourced in Canada or not.

In addition, if a legally owned gun in Canada was present (but not involved) in an indictable offence on the premises, it was immediately deemed as a "domestically sourced crime gun" simply because it was there. So, If your neighbour punched your drunk uncle at the new years eve party and the police were called then POOF... your entire collection of guns were immediately deemed to be domestically sourced crime guns.

That pushed the total up to about 84% (if memory serves)... it was deliberate, it was politically motivated,. and it was completely bogus. 

I'm not saying that's the case here... I don't actually know, based on the context though I think that's what he's getting at. The fact that you interpret it as him saying "beating your wife isn't a crime" doesn't ring true IMO. 

 

Edited September 17, 2025 by Venandi

[Venandi]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Of course Trump denies domestic violence because he was accused of raping Ivana.

The other forum wiseman says:

"Just because you agree with something doesn't make it "THE TRUTH." Duh"

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Of course Trump denies domestic violence because he was accused of raping Ivana.

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https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › 2016-election › a...

 

Oct 27, 2016 — In a deposition taken during their divorce proceedings in 1989, Ivana Trump, the mother of Trump's three eldest children, said he raped her, but ...

Don't worry Pookie.

You and your zucchini are safe.

[gatomontes99]

Liberals don't understand nuance. Can you be walking down a street and become a victim of domestic violence? No. Domestic violence is, by definition, violence that happens at home in a family setting. Yes, it is bad. But does it really factor into what the police do? Should it factor into your decision to move there? 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

This is insanity.  Domestic violence is certainly a serious crime.  Many spouses have been killed by their partner.  Domestic violence is a serious problem for many people, destroys families and wrecks many people's lives.

Why does he come out with these far out claims?   What are these MAGA people thinking and do they support these kind of comments?

Domestic violence is not really a crime, says Trump

Now you're  actually lying, bbird. Get a grip ffs. You're becoming an average leftist.

FYI at no point did he ever say that domestic violence was not a crime. 

FYI Trump didn't deploy the NGuard to people's bedrooms, and what he's saying is that a large portion of the violent crime that's still happening is just domestic violence.

And when I say "just domestic violence" I mean exactly that, because in this context, it's an issue that police can't get in front of. 

Donald Trump deployed the Nat Guard to put a stop to the abhorrent level of violence and crime IN THE STREETS OF DC and you can't be thankful for a reduction of more than 87% in that regard, you have to find a way to try to slander him.

Get a facking life, a-hole. 

[LinkSoul60]

This guy could walk down the street, kick an old lady to the ground to steal her purse and his loyal minions would find a way to justify as 'he was just looking for a mint'....

Thankfully I've had no exposure to domestic violence within my family or circle of friends, that I'm aware of.  If anyone doesn't believe it's a social concern then they obviously don't read much.  I mean hey, what's the big deal about a 'little fight with the wife'.

Just another daily (hourly?) example of the lack of morals, decency and ineptness the US voted for and mindless minions idolize.  Embarrassing is an understatement....

[Venandi]

38 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Just another daily (hourly?) example of the lack of morals, decency and ineptness the US voted for and mindless minions idolize.  Embarrassing is an understatement....

Is Trump responsible for that though?

If so, it's worth noting that over all, domestic violence in Canada showed an increase of 19% between 2014 and 2022. During the same period (when broken down by category), domestic sexual assaults have increased 153% and physical assaults have increased 14%.  

Personally, I wouldn't suggest the increase is attributable to Justin... but clearly your milage might vary.

Edited September 17, 2025 by Venandi

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Is Trump responsible for that?

If so, it's worth noting that all source domestic violence in Canada has shown an increase of 19% between 2014 and 2022. During the same period (when broken down by category), domestic sexual assaults have increased 153% and physical assaults have increased 14%.  

Personally, I wouldn't suggest the increase is attributable to Justin... but clearly your milage might vary.

Trump is the president of the US and has, or at least should have a moral obligation to acting presidential and speaking on behalf of all people, not for his politically motivated crime stats.  I'm sure 'your mileage varies' with that and likely find it difficult to understand.  So be it...

[User]

Like most things pushed by the usual liars on this forum, this thread is built on a lie. 

Trump did not say Domestic Violence is not really a crime... 

[Venandi]

18 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Trump is the president of the US and has, or at least should have a moral obligation to acting presidential and speaking on behalf of all people, not for his politically motivated crime stats.  I'm sure 'your mileage varies' with that and likely find it difficult to understand.  So be it...

Unfortunately crime stats do tend to be politically motivated and it's only when you look at the collection parameters that you see how it came about, what the motive was and how easily the data was manipulated. The "domestic crime gun" thing is a case in point only because it was so blatant. I still can't believe they thought no one would notice. 

The rise in domestic violence in Canada (that I mentioned above) obviously included the covid lockdown period. Even though the lockdown was an instrument of Liberal public policy, I still wouldn't hold Justin accountable for the violent actions of other individuals, that's on them. 

As I read it, it didn't sound like Trump was saying domestic violence isn't a crime, he was observing that every domestic dispute doesn't include violence and it doesn't end with a felony arrest. I think it's safe to say the majority of such calls fall into that category and are deescalated successfully at the scene. I don't care enough to look up those stats though as I doubt it would matter to you anyway.

So be it indeed... 

Edited September 17, 2025 by Venandi

[CouchPotato]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

This is insanity.  Domestic violence is certainly a serious crime.  Many spouses have been killed by their partner.  Domestic violence is a serious problem for many people, destroys families and wrecks many people's lives.

Why does he come out with these far out claims?   What are these MAGA people thinking and do they support these kind of comments?

Domestic violence is not really a crime, says Trump

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Venandi said:

The other forum wiseman says:

"Just because you agree with something doesn't make it "THE TRUTH." Duh"

I didn't say it was "THE TRUTH," PARROT lDIOT.

I POSTED EVIDENCE which you can refuse to accept and deny. Duh

[CouchPotato]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Liberals don't understand nuance. Can you be walking down a street and become a victim of domestic violence? 

This is a real weakness Trump has. I know that lefties would attack him no matter what he says, but he always puts things in such a way that leaves him open to attack. I know exactly what he meant, but he gives the left the soundbytes they want.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Don't worry Pookie.

You and your zucchini are safe.

You really need your Alzheimer's checked.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Now you're  actually lying, bbird. Get a grip ffs. You're becoming an average leftist.

FYI at no point did he ever say that domestic violence was not a crime. 

FYI Trump didn't deploy the NGuard to people's bedrooms, and what he's saying is that a large portion of the violent crime that's still happening is just domestic violence.

And when I say "just domestic violence" I mean exactly that, because in this context, it's an issue that police can't get in front of. 

Donald Trump deployed the Nat Guard to put a stop to the abhorrent level of violence and crime IN THE STREETS OF DC and you can't be thankful for a reduction of more than 87% in that regard, you have to find a way to try to slander him.

Get a facking life, a-hole. 

You need to get a life and stop believing the PATHOLOGICAL LIAR cause he's making you LOOK THE FOOL.

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Unfortunately, crime stats do tend to be politically motivated and it's only when you look at the collection parameters that you see how it came about and what the motive was. The "domestic crime gun" thing is a case in point only because it was so blatant. I still can't believe they thought no one would notice. 

The rise in domestic violence in Canada (that I mentioned above) obviously included the covid lockdown period. Even though the lockdown was an instrument of Liberal public policy, I still wouldn't hold Justin accountable for the violent actions of other individuals, that's on them. 

So be it indeed...

You note the rise in domestic violence in Canada which without looking at stats I'm sure is similar in the US for a number of reasons, including covid, affordability, mental health, etc.... but justify Trump's comments as simple political posturing.  Obviously your expectations of how a president should conduct themselves is different than most.  Love is blind...

And of course you'd bring Canada liberal policies into a simple thread about Trump talking about domestic violence...  Whatever 😂

[LinkSoul60]

16 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

This is a real weakness Trump has. I know that lefties would attack him no matter what he says, but he always puts things in such a way that leaves him open to attack. I know exactly what he meant, but he gives the left the soundbytes they want.

It's a monumental weakness. So trust you think that 'lefties' would be attacking his words today if he had said 'domestic violence is a problem in our country and in no way shape or form be tolerated'?

The guy is the president for goodness sake and there are or at least should be expectations of how they act and how they say things but hey it's Trump, so let's all read between the lines to figure out what he's really saying.  ANY good business leader knows how to present themselves and what and what not to say for the good of the company and employees.  The 79 year old manchild still hasn't figured that out...

[Venandi]

34 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

And of course you'd bring Canada liberal policies into a simple thread about Trump talking about domestic violence...  Whatever 😂

Did you so utterly fail to see the point of doing that?

 

34 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Love is blind...

The only thing I actually like about Trump is his wife.

34 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

...but justify Trump's comments as simple political posturing.

I'm guessing his remarks were due to posturing from across the aisle that may have (and I don't know this) suggested that his efforts to bring law and order failed and that his own stats were bogus because domestic violence calls hadn't decreased.

That tends to disregard that the effort itself was never directed at household domestic violence in the first place and (again I'm guessing here) the stats used to discredit the effort sound like they included domestic dispute responses as opposed to felony arrests for such things as domestic battery etc. 

These situations are easily manipulated for political gain and the proof is that I can do it too.

IMO it's just as unreasonable to hold Justin to account for domestic (indictable) assault charges in Canada as it is to hold Trump accountable for felony battery in the US. I could argue that police defunding and easy bail (as a function of government policy) in both countries played a role, but that's another thread entirely.

Show me a quote were he said beating your wife isn't (or shouldn't) be considered a crime (or some such) and I'll agree with your assertions above.

As I see it, that was neither what he said or what he meant... and I think you know it.

Your TDS is palpable... if Trump saved 3 people from drowning by picking them up in a canoe you would accuse him of not being able to swim.

Edited September 17, 2025 by Venandi

[LinkSoul60]

11 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Did you so utterly fail to see the point of doing that

 

The only thing I actually like about Trump is his wife.

I'm guessing his remarks were due to posturing from across the aisle that may have (and I don't know this) suggested that his efforts to bring law and order failed and that his own stats were bogus because domestic violence calls hadn't decreased.

That tends to disregard that the effort itself was never directed at household domestic violence in the first place and (again I'm guessing here) the stats used to discredit the effort sound like they included domestic dispute responses as opposed to felony arrests for such things as battery etc. 

These things are easily manipulated for political gain and the proof is that I can do it. IMO it's just as unreasonable to hold Justin to account for domestic indictable assault charges in Canada as it is to hold Trump accountable for felony battery in the US. 

Show me a quote were he said beating your wife isn't a crime if she deserved it and I'll agree with all of your assertions above. As I see it, that was neither what he said or what he meant... and I think you know it.

No, I see why you brought Canada liberals into a thread about Trump because that's what many in this forum do for daily exercise..... complain about the last decade and how broken we are as country.  So yes, I know why you brought it up.

I have no desire to engage in a Trudeau conversation around domestic violence simply because this is what TRUMP said yesterday and Trudeau has said nothing remotely close to this, that I'm aware of?  Keep in mind you're talking to someone who literally despised Trudeau throughout the last half of his tenure but that's irrelevant.... this is about Trump.

We disagree on how leaders should act and present themselves.  To each their own....

 

Edited September 17, 2025 by LinkSoul60

[Venandi]

13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We disagree on how leaders should act and present themselves.

Maybe we don't.

I don't like how Trump acts much of the time either but I try to be fair about it and consider what he's trying to do and why he's doing it without making it all about personalities, hair or complexions.  

I was actually defending Justin BTW... so ya, you missed the point.

I'll try this again:

24 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Show me a quote where he said beating your wife isn't (or shouldn't) be considered a crime (or some such) and I'll agree with your assertions above.

It sounds like he was addressing stats that were thrown in his face to suggest a lack of efficacy in temporarily federalizing some police services and deploying the NG. If that's the case I agree with what he said even though I wouldn't have framed it the way he did. 

Edited September 17, 2025 by Venandi

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Maybe we don't.

I don't like how Trump acts much of the time either but I try to be fair about it and consider what he's trying to do and why he's doing without making it all about personalities, hair or complexions.  

I was actually defending Justin BTW... so ya, you missed the point.

I'll try this again:

It sounds like he was addressing stats that were thrown in his face to suggest a lack of efficacy in temporarily federalizing some police services and deploying the NG. 

Fair enough.... 👍  My bad for missing the Trudeau point.

 

 

[CouchPotato]

45 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The guy is the president for goodness sake and there are or at least should be expectations of how they act and how they say things but hey it's Trump, so let's all read between the lines to figure out what he's really saying.

Trump was in office before, and everyone knew he spoke like this. They voted for it. So people obviously felt they knew what he meant and didn't care how badly he put things because they also felt it was preferable to the alternative. 

Edited September 17, 2025 by CouchPotato

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, CouchPotato said:

Trump was in office before, and everyone knew he spoke like this. They voted for it. So people obviously felt they knew what he meant and didn't care because they also felt it was preferable to the alternative. 

They voted for him to bring the cost of living down (so far a failure) and immigration (he's making great TV).  Otherwise with an all time low approval rating of 35% people obviously aren't getting what they voted for.

And no, 'people' don't understand what he's saying when a little shit storm starts up because of his words, only his faithful following do.  

We have different opinions on how leaders should act and present themselves....