What The Liberals Did To Canada

[Goddess]

I posted this clip of John Brassard, Chair of the Ethics Committee giving his review of the latest committee findings in the HoC.

The account, Ryan Gerritson, always posts committee clips, HoC clips, news clips & articles including from the legacy media.

If you want to call this account "Anonymous" fine.

But the only reason you do it, is because you don't want to talk about what John Brassard said in his speech.

If you don't like this source, then go find the same clip and post it from a source you approve of.

 

 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

the demand for sources and cites is only a distraction from the facts for them.

You give them the links, they don't even acknowledge it.  The discussion is over for them.  They disappear.

A week later, they ask for links to the same info.

Yeah I noticed that  

The tactic is referred to as sea lioning officially but we've seen it for many years. When they can't deal with the facts or the argument they see lion like crazy or pick one small minutiae element and try and make the entire argument about that

If you say the pancakes are good they'll demand 10 cites proving it.  And when you do provide them they'll claim a) the cite says the pancakes are TASTY, not "GOOD" so it's false,  OR that the site is a well known member of the pancake lobby therefore all evidence presented no matter how legit or scientific is discredited without further consideration. 

 

 

[Goddess]

I can see why the pom-pom wavers have no logical reasoning. Their leader is the master of illogical reasoning.

Summary of exchange in HoC today.

 

Poilievre:  "Carney doubled the deficit."

Carney:  "I reduced the deficit."

Poilievre:  "Trudeau's deficit was $31 billion, yours was $78 billion."

Carney:  "But now it's $67 billion.  I reduced it by $11 billion."

Poilievre:  "65 is bigger than 31."

 

New Liberal talking point:  OMG OMG OMG!  CARNEY IS A GENIUS, HE REDUCED THE DEFICIT BY $11 BILLION."

 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I can see why the pom-pom wavers have no logical reasoning. Their leader is the master of illogical reasoning.

Summary of exchange in HoC today.

 

Poilievre:  "Carney doubled the deficit."

Carney:  "I reduced the deficit."

Poilievre:  "Trudeau's deficit was $31 billion, yours was $78 billion."

Carney:  "But now it's $67 billion.  I reduced it by $11 billion."

Poilievre:  "65 is bigger than 31."

 

New Liberal talking point:  OMG OMG OMG!  CARNEY IS A GENIUS, HE REDUCED THE DEFICIT BY $11 BILLION."

 

With his other talking point today, that Canada is the fastest growing economy in the G7

If you drop from 100 growth to 1 growth, and then climb to 2 growth, you can claim you're growth rate is 100 percent and you're growing the fastest, but it's not much to brag about  

[Goddess]

So, this is one of the reasons I follow and support independent journalism in Canada.

I don't see a CBC article on this, but it was all over the independent media for the last few days.  It was independent media in Canada, working along with relevant Iranian organizations that forced Canadian authorities to act and kept this IRGC official out of Canada.

It's only the independent media holding the government to account.  It's why the Liberal party is desperately enacting censorship bills and why the legacy media demonizes independent journalists.

Iran football chief with IRGC ties sent back by Canada after arrival | Iran International

EXCLUSIVE and BREAKING: Journalism still matters!

After our investigation revealed the Canadian government granted a Temporary Resident Permit (TRP) to override Mehdi Taj’s inadmissibility, he was sent back just hours after landing in Canada at 10:05 p.m. last night.

The immigration ministry commented only after Taj’s departure, declining to name him, citing privacy laws, and stating that individuals linked to the IRGC are not welcome in Canada—despite having granted him special permission to enter.

 

His sudden departure now raises fresh questions—about how he was granted entry in the first place.

Many Canadians are questioning how someone deemed inadmissible under the country’s own terrorism-related laws could have been offered an exemption or special permission to enter at all.

 

 

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

With his other talking point today, that Canada is the fastest growing economy in the G7

If you drop from 100 growth to 1 growth, and then climb to 2 growth, you can claim you're growth rate is 100 percent and you're growing the fastest, but it's not much to brag about  

They did the same kinds of things with covid stats.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

the demand for sources and cites is only a distraction from the facts for them.

The demand for sources is a demand for you to verify the facts you're claiming.  If you can't provide that, then we have no reason to believe they're facts, do we?

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

You give them the links, they don't even acknowledge it.  The discussion is over for them.  They disappear.

What links?  Linksoul asked Groot for stats.  You came back and told him to "watch the committees".  I've not seen any links to these committees or the relevant facts they presumably contain, just a lot of b*tching and moaning about why you won't provide them.  Don't bring them up if you can't actually cite them.  It's just more "trust me bro" garbage.    

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I posted this clip of John Brassard, Chair of the Ethics Committee giving his review of the latest committee findings in the HoC.

The account, Ryan Gerritson, always posts committee clips, HoC clips, news clips & articles including from the legacy media.

If you want to call this account "Anonymous" fine.

It's a clip of an opposition member crying about the media FFS 🤣

Anonymous?  No.  Useful?  Also no.  What do you figure this proves, exactly?  

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I've not seen any links to these committees

I gave you the CPAC link when you asked.

I verify the committee snippets I post BY WATCHING THE GODDAMN COMMITTEE MEETINGS. I've told you this over and over.

You don't accept my verifications anyways - SO VERIFY THEM YOURSELF.  GO WATCH THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND SEE IF THE SNIP IS THERE.

CPAC does not snip parts of the videos.

If you don't want to watch the meetings and you don't want to accept snippets from journalists and MP members, then you're being unreasonable.  I'm not going to snip parts of meetings for you.  Others have done the work.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The demand for sources is a demand for you to verify the facts you're claiming. 

It's an admission that you know she's right and instead of engaging in honest debate you're going to see lion and try and make the issue about her sources instead of the facts and the subject at hand

It's an admission of failure on your part. And it is every time you pull this nonsense

[CdnFox]

Here's some more facts for Moonbox to deny:

Poverty rate up, incomes down since 2020: Statistics Canada

More than one in 10 Canadians are living below the poverty line, according to the latest data from Statistics Canada. While Canada’s 11 per cent poverty rate in 2024 is largely unchanged from 11.1 per cent in 2023, it is well above the seven per cent poverty rate reported in 2020.

In the same period, the median after-tax income for Canadian families and unattached individuals – those living alone or with people they’re unrelated to such as roommates – dropped by nearly $2,000 from $77,400 in 2020 to $75,500 in 2024, after adjusting for inflation.

 

Meanwhile carney's out there claiming life has never been so affordable in Canada

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

I gave you the CPAC link when you asked.

No, you gave me a link to the landing page of parliamentary committees, a CBC article, and a twitter video of some MP complaining about the media.  

If I somehow missed it, please redirect me, but I scrolled back twice to my first post to you and that's all I came up with.  

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

I verify the committee snippets I post BY WATCHING THE GODDAMN COMMITTEE MEETINGS. I've told you this over and over.

and I've told you that's worth a cat's wet fart in a debate if you can't actually cite the content.  You telling us you watched it isn't verification.  It's just you telling us something.  🙃

[Goddess]

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No, you gave me a link to the landing page of parliamentary committees

I gave it to you the last time you did this.

[Goddess]

I saw this illustration today.  It makes sense.  

See what you think.

 

Elon Musk said something that really stuck with me about resource allocation. In essence: beyond a certain level of wealth, money is no longer about consumption—it's about capital allocation.

That sentence changes everything.

Economics, at its core, is just an allocation problem. You have finite resources and infinite uses. Who decides where what goes?

Imagine a school playground. 100 kids, packs of Pokémon cards handed out at random. You let it play out. Very quickly, an order emerges. The good players accumulate rare cards, the collectors sort, the negotiators strike deals. No one planned it. And yet every card ends up in the hands of the one who gets the most value from it. The system maximizes the total happiness of the playground. That's the invisible hand.

Now bring in the teacher. She finds it unfair. Leo has 50 cards, Tom has 3. She confiscates, redistributes, enforces equality. Three immediate effects: The good players stop playing—what's the point. The bad ones have no reason to improve; they'll get their share anyway. Trades collapse. The playground is equal.  And dead. She maximized equality, and she destroyed happiness.

The teacher's problem is that she doesn't have the information the playground had, collectively. That's Mises' economic calculation problem, formulated in 1920. The USSR tried to solve it for 70 years with the Gosplan. Result: shortages, lines, collapse. Not because the Soviets were stupid, because the problem is mathematically unsolvable in centralized mode.

When Musk has 200 billion, he doesn't consume it—he allocates it. SpaceX, Starlink, Neuralink, xAI. Every dollar is a bet on the future. And he has a track record. PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX. He's demonstrated he knows how to spot massive problems and allocate resources to them with spectacular returns.

The state has a track record too. Hospitals collapsing, education declining, debt exploding, public services degrading despite constantly rising budgets. The market identifies good allocators; politics identifies good communicators.

Profit isn't an end goal—it's a signal. It says: you've allocated scarce resources to a use that people value enough to pay for. The bigger the profit, the greater the value created. When Starlink turns profitable, it means millions of people in rural areas finally have internet. When a ministry runs a deficit, it means it's consuming more than it produces. One creates, the other destroys, and we call that redistribution.

In our societies, there are two categories of actors. Entrepreneurs and bureaucrats. The entrepreneur takes personal risk to spot a problem, mobilize resources, create a solution. If he's wrong, he loses. If he's right, his customers win, his employees win, his suppliers win, the state collects taxes. He's the basic cell of human progress.

The bureaucrat takes no personal risk. His salary is guaranteed. At best, he maintains an existing system. At worst, he destroys it through overregulation, forced bad allocation, perverse incentives that discourage those who produce. But in no case does he create anything.

Look at the last 50 years. iPhone, civilian internet, SpaceX, Tesla, Google, Amazon, Stripe, mRNA, ChatGPT. All private inventions, driven by entrepreneurs, funded by venture capital. Not a single government ministry has invented anything that's changed your daily life.

France has become the world's laboratory for bureaucratic drift. 57% of GDP in public spending, an absolute record. A sprawling administration, a tax system that penalizes wealth creation. Result: falling behind the United States, Germany, Switzerland. Brain drain. Deindustrialization. Exploding debt.

And the worst part is that bad allocation self-reinforces. The more the state takes, the less entrepreneurs create. The less they create, the less tax base there is. The less tax base there is, he more the state borrows and taxes. Perfect negative feedback loop. The teacher thinks she's helping, and every year the playground produces less.

In our societies, it's always the entrepreneurs who advance civilization. Bureaucrats, at best, maintain a system; at worst, they destroy it. No society has ever progressed by taxing its creators to subsidize its managers.

The question is never "Who has how much?".  It's who allocates the next unit of resource best to maximize humanity's future.

The answer hasn't changed in 200 years. It's not the civil servants.

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes jobs are going to be there in retail, hospitality, manufacturing, healthcare and trades.

You cannot possibly know that. Some will, sure, but a lot can be replaced.

10 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Robots aren't going to be taking over trades, construction or a number of other labor intensive jobs in our lifetime.

There are already drone machines that will dig holes in the ground according to preset directions. Prefab housing made in factories. It's going to expand rapidly. Most everything from dump trucks to bulldozers can be run on automated programs. And soon will be. Doordash will be replaced by drones. There are hotels in Japan with self-check-in. No human interaction. Add in an AI screen for questions and presto.

10 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

That chart is from 16 years ago.  So, no facts to back those comments up, just believing our government isn't straight up.  

Is it your belief that the quality of immgirants has gotten better since then? Because almost everyone seems to be suggesting the quality has markedly deteriorated. That being the case, why do you imagine things would be better today? Why do you believe it would be so much better than in Europe? And I also posted a thing from Toronto Public Housing showing most of the people there are immigrants.

Don't give me an AI overview when I can bloody see who's working as taxi drivers, as doordash drivers, as lowest level security guards, and other minimum wage jobs. When I can see who's crowding into food banks and who's crowding into public housing. When I can see the brown faces of criminals in the papers every day.

[LinkSoul60]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Done so many times and they're still in that thread.

And it'll never be put to bed because you'll continue to ask. I can show you right now and you'll ask again in 15 minutes and I can show you then and you'll ask in 15 minutes more

As I said some of the links were even yours

Lie harder, cry harder   It's the liberal way  

Sure you did, and the back peddling isn't working kiddo.  Affordable my äss.

 

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You cannot possibly know that. Some will, sure, but a lot can be replaced.

I'm talking 5 to 8(?) years, not 20.  Wish I did know know what the future holds for those sectors but I can't see AI giving healthcare patients personal care, running wiring or plumbing through homes, framing out walls, working in retail stores, etc...

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There are already drone machines that will dig holes in the ground according to preset directions. Prefab housing made in factories. It's going to expand rapidly. Most everything from dump trucks to bulldozers can be run on automated programs. And soon will be. Doordash will be replaced by drones. There are hotels in Japan with self-check-in. No human interaction. Add in an AI screen for questions and presto.

Absolutely and not saying the technology isn't there, but when will it be common practice.... that's still a lot of years ahead.  Canadian business has been slow to invest in their own capital for the last 20 years so to see a massive investment in AI by the majority is going to be a while, I'd think.

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

s it your belief that the quality of immgirants has gotten better since then? Because almost everyone seems to be suggesting the quality has markedly deteriorated. That being the case, why do you imagine things would be better today? Why do you believe it would be so much better than in Europe? And I also posted a thing from Toronto Public Housing showing most of the people there are immigrants.

Don't give me an AI overview when I can bloody see who's working as taxi drivers, as doordash drivers, as lowest level security guards, and other minimum wage jobs. When I can see who's crowding into food banks and who's crowding into public housing. When I can see the brown faces of criminals in the papers every day.

Honestly, I don't spend a great deal of time thinking about it anymore.  The only time that I might is when I have an interaction with an immigrant, be that in whatever setting. My opinion good or bad would be the same as it is for a white person I have an interaction with.  Can't say I've noticed a deterioration of quality, or at least no more than I see across the board anyway.  I never said anything about Europe...did I?  Toronto (and Vancouver) also has a high immigrant population so that skews data.  Not all Canadian cities have as high a percentage so isn't as noticeable to as it is with the higher populations.  

I get it... you don't like brown immigrants.  Now what... who's going to drive that taxi, deliver that DoorDash, and work for other minimum wage jobs? 

Edited April 30 by LinkSoul60

[LinkSoul60]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Here's some more facts for Moonbox to deny:

Poverty rate up, incomes down since 2020: Statistics Canada

More than one in 10 Canadians are living below the poverty line, according to the latest data from Statistics Canada. While Canada’s 11 per cent poverty rate in 2024 is largely unchanged from 11.1 per cent in 2023, it is well above the seven per cent poverty rate reported in 2020.

In the same period, the median after-tax income for Canadian families and unattached individuals – those living alone or with people they’re unrelated to such as roommates – dropped by nearly $2,000 from $77,400 in 2020 to $75,500 in 2024, after adjusting for inflation.

 

Meanwhile carney's out there claiming life has never been so affordable in Canada

Canadian's are still doing better than 2015 on the poverty line front;

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210323/t003a-eng.htm

https://madeinca.ca/poverty-statistics-canada/

Data from the last two censuses and other surveys on poverty in Canada show that the country’s poverty rate has decreased. The overall poverty rate has fallen from 14.5% in 2015 to 8.1% in 2020. However, there are still groups of people who are far more likely to live in poverty or low income so there is more work to be done to address poverty across all groups in Canada.

 

Good thing we had the liberals to get that many people back above the poverty line they were in during Harper's last years.

Get back to me on how affordable the unaffordable was back in what you believe were the golden years....

[John Johnston]

21 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Yes jobs are going to be there in retail, hospitality, manufacturing, healthcare and trades. Robots aren't going to be taking over trades, construction or a number of other labor intensive jobs in our lifetime.  Maybe at some point but not in the foreseeable future.  Again, I don't disagree that AI will have a profound effect on labour, but that's not across every sector.

Are there stats to back that up?  I don't think that's the case and would be very surprised if it were fact.  

That chart is from 16 years ago.  So, no facts to back those comments up, just believing our government isn't straight up.  

 

AI Overview

Based on 2023 Statistics Canada data, the overall employment rate for core working-age immigrants (aged 25-54) in Canada was approximately 82.6%. Employment rates vary by duration of residency, with 77.8% of recent arrivals (5 years or less) employed, rising to 84.5% for those in Canada over 10 years, indicating strong labour market integration over time.

• Recent Immigrant Employment: Recent immigrants often see rapid employment gains; 42.5% of working-age immigrants not employed at arrival found work within three months.
• Job Quality Challenges: While employment rates are high, over-education is common. In 2021, only 44% of immigrants who arrived within the previous decade worked in jobs matching their education level, compared to 64% of Canadian-born workers.
• Economic Contribution: Immigration has been crucial to labor growth, contributing to 79.9% of the growth in Canada's labour force between 2016 and 2021.
• Sector Representation: Immigrants are heavily represented in key sectors, accounting for 34.1% of professionals in scientific/technical services and 37.8% in transportation/warehousing.

AI will be part of prefab Construction, but as you point out, AI won't help in traditional construction. 

[John Johnston]

22 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Canadian's are still doing better than 2015 on the poverty line front;

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210323/t003a-eng.htm

https://madeinca.ca/poverty-statistics-canada/

Data from the last two censuses and other surveys on poverty in Canada show that the country’s poverty rate has decreased. The overall poverty rate has fallen from 14.5% in 2015 to 8.1% in 2020. However, there are still groups of people who are far more likely to live in poverty or low income so there is more work to be done to address poverty across all groups in Canada.

 

Good thing we had the liberals to get that many people back above the poverty line they were in during Harper's last years.

Get back to me on how affordable the unaffordable was back in what you believe were the golden years....

Unfortunately this new American nonsense war is going to drive basic costs of living through the roof. At least for foreseeable future. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, John Johnston said:

AI will be part of prefab Construction, but as you point out, AI won't help in traditional construction. 

I have no doubt it will, but is not going to solve the need for manpower for to move, set and place any time soon....as far as I see.

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Unfortunately this new American nonsense war is going to drive basic costs of living through the roof. At least for foreseeable future. 

Fortunately for America, these are the golden years.  The rest of the world having to manage the economic blows this war has and will continue to cause every country.... not so golden.

[John Johnston]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Fortunately for America, these are the golden years.  The rest of the world having to manage the economic blows this war has and will continue to cause every country.... not so golden.

Yep. Golden Years my A@@...

[John Johnston]

7 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I have no doubt it will, but is not going to solve the need for manpower for to move, set and place any time soon....as far as I see.

True enough. Plus this is all in it's infancy anyway. 

[Moonbox]

15 hours ago, Goddess said:

I gave it to you the last time you did this.

Oh I see....So in another thread, at another time, you gave me a link...supposedly.  Since you supposedly did this, you don't have to provide cites for anything you claim from committees anymore?

That's some pretty comfy reasoning there.