What The Liberals Did To Canada

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

First idea....  how about stop b*tching and crying about the Trudeau years because guess what.... Trudeau's gone.

Trudeau's ministers are still here. His judges and laws are still here. His senators are still here. All the people he put in place running crown corporations and directing government agencies are still here. His mass immigration and foreign worker imports are still here. His absurd and divisive DEI policies are still here. We're still directing billions and billions towards useless climate change goals. We're still directing tens of billions to try and get successful businesses instead of just letting them do their thing. 

Do you know how housing works? Take off all the government regulations other than for safety, take off the taxes and fees, and they'll build as much housing as is needed. The higher the price of apartments and houses, the more they'll build. IF they can make a profit.

But no, instead we'll have the government get into the home building business and spend tens of billions to build shit at a much lower pace and higher price than private industry can.

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

. I'm sure you think Poilievre would have had 3 pipelines and 4 LNG terminals built already right.... 

I think Poilievre would have gotten a deal with Trump. I think Poilevre would have already drastically lowered immigration and foreign workers. I think he'd already have changed a bunch of laws on crime, and withdrawn Liberal bills that got in the way of industry and business. By contrast, what has Carney done? Gone around the country, spewing borrowed money everywhere he stops.

[LinkSoul60]

9 hours ago, Army Guy said:

 

Sorry liberals don't get a pass on Justin, you guys voted him 3 times.....3 Fing times....which means your slow learners or take the short bus to work.........Justin will be your anchor "forever"....and while Justin may be gone, his crew is still here....only the circus leader has changed the clowns are all the same...

Lots of people are wondering,

What's that mean, so he has a 58 % approval rating....according to the same poll Justin had 61 % on his first year, how did that turn out .....what is there to approve, or disapprove he has yet to accomplish anything of substance...when the budget comes in in Nov we will see how popular he becomes, and to top off all that there is the Tariffs that are still not any movement on that file...which according to the polls are not the number one issue today....the economy and affordability are the chief concerns....How do you think they are going to react once the budget is out....

https://globalnews.ca/news/11417373/ipsos-poll-with-mps-returning-carney-government-has-decade-high-approval/

well there sure is a lot of b!tching and complain about, maybe you liberals should try and make it harder by doing things...anything would be good...all we have heard is a lot of talking...And instead of you b1tching and complaining you should be educating us on what accomplishments have happened...but wait a minute, not much to talk about there...

 

Then I guess you should just keep on complaining each day.  Start each day with Rebel News and then come out here to complain about the Trudeau years, go out front to yell at any immigrants that might be walking down the street, take a drive around town to see how many white Canadian kids you see working at Tim Hortons, stop at a grocery store to look at food prices, drive by a walk in clinic to see what kind of line ups, and then come back here to complain about Trudeau again.  Sounds like the perfect day for you and the other habitual complainers of life....

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I struggle to find the logic in this view. Things are bad, you agree, but they won't get better as long as people keep complaining? What should they do? Congratulate the Liberals and urge them to continue?

Compromise and cooperate then do the same when Conservatives are in power.

That's it...that's all. How hard can it be?

[I am Groot]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Compromise and cooperate then do the same when Conservatives are in power.

That's it...that's all. How hard can it be?

Compromise on what? Cooperate with what? What if the ideas he comes out with, presuming he ever does, are notably bad? Should we cooperate nonetheless?

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I struggle to find the logic in this view. Things are bad, you agree, but they won't get better as long as people keep complaining? What should they do? Congratulate the Liberals and urge them to continue?

You're complaining about a government that is not in power any more.  Trudeau is gone, thankfully, and so far I struggle to see many similarities at all between him and Carney as it relates to what's needed to build our economy.  Funny enough the most vocal Premier Danielle Smith doesn't either and has praised a guy who "finally get's it'.  That can be said of Ford and Houston and most other Premiers.  Complain about the past all you want and root for this new government to fail if it suits your wants. Personally, I get tired of listening to complainers real quickly....

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Compromise on what? Cooperate with what? What if the ideas he comes out with, presuming he ever does, are notably bad? Should we cooperate nonetheless?

If complaining isn't getting you anywhere what other choice do you have?

I guess you could ramp it up by fighting over everything in court or taking it to the streets, is that what you're suggesting? That approach doesn't seem to be working very well to the south of us.

[I am Groot]

This is a great write-up on Mark Carney's beahviour so far, and why so many of us on the Right are more than slightly cynical about what he's saying.

The PM has a penchant for making grandiose promises that are unachievable and incoherent

With Parliament resuming after a long hiatus, people are wondering whether Prime Minister Mark Carney will finally start keeping his promises. No, of course not. Have you ever really listened to the man talk?

If so, and it’s remarkable how many people including journalists seem not to have tried hard, it’s very troubling. It’s not easy given his soothing, even soporific way of saying nothing deceitfully. But his habit of fudging details while soaring into cosmic incoherence on the big picture and erupting if questioned is no recipe for competent government let alone the transformative kind.

An obvious case in point is the promised “austerity and investment” budget. So he’s tackling overspending while stimulating economic growth, right? As in increasing spending while cutting it. Which he won’t achieve, not because it’s hard politically, actuarially or intellectually but because it’s literally impossible.

Mark Carney's vaporous narcissism | National Post

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Compromise on what? Cooperate with what? What if the ideas he comes out with, presuming he ever does, are notably bad? Should we cooperate nonetheless?

Who said the nation building idea's are bad, Poilievre?

Energy industry players and Alberta’s premier say they see promising signs in the first batch of projects announced under Ottawa’s new fast-tracked approval process,

“When I looked at the first five projects, I thought: ‘Finally — they get it,’ because it’s all the projects that have been difficult to build,” Alberta Premier Danielle Smith told reporters in Edmonton.

Building LNG export capacity and other oil and natural gas related projects are among of the fastest ways to diversify Canada’s global customer base and increase our economic and energy sovereignty in the face of international economic uncertainty,” said Lisa Baiton, president and CEO of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.

“The inclusion of LNG Canada’s Phase 2 on the government’s nation-building projects list reflects the essential role energy infrastructure plays in Canada’s economic sovereignty and energy security,” François Poirier said in a news release.

The project going ahead would help Canada’s international trade position, said Kent Fellows, an economist with the University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy.  “It’s not a game changer, but with nation building infrastructure, I don’t think we should expect a one-silver-bullet answer to this,” he said. “It’s going to be a bunch of incremental projects and this seems like one of them — and an important one.”

[I am Groot]

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're complaining about a government that is not in power any more.  

It's the same government. It's the same team doing the same stuff. 

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Trudeau is gone, thankfully, and so far I struggle to see many similarities at all between him and Carney as it relates to what's needed to build our economy.

Really? I have no difficulty seeing the similarities. They both lie like rugs, and they both make big promises they don't even try to keep. Trudeau led a style-over-substance government. For him, it was the big announcement that mattered, not following through. Carney is smelling like the same thing.

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Funny enough the most vocal Premier Danielle Smith doesn't either and has praised a guy who "finally get's it'.

No, he SAYS he gets it. Or as John Robson says:

Non-trivially, his soaring ambitions glide past the ear and conscious mind and induce opium dreams in the subconscious. Like his election-night pledge “to do things previously thought impossible at speeds we haven’t seen in generations.” Raaaahr! Except, um, what things? How? Instead, he sauntered off for a break and some foreign trips.

 

[I am Groot]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Who said the nation building idea's are bad, Poilievre?

Energy industry players and Alberta’s premier say they see promising signs in the first batch of projects announced under Ottawa’s new fast-tracked approval process,

Four of those projects were already approved and under construction!

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Building LNG export capacity and other oil and natural gas related projects are among of the fastest ways to diversify Canada’s global custome

Sure, and they've been working on it for years. They have already awarded the engineering contract. They're awaiting final approvals, but those were expected fairly soon anyway.

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

It's the same government. It's the same team doing the same stuff. 

Really? I have no difficulty seeing the similarities. They both lie like rugs, and they both make big promises they don't even try to keep. Trudeau led a style-over-substance government. For him, it was the big announcement that mattered, not following through. Carney is smelling like the same thing.

No, he SAYS he gets it. Or as John Robson says:

Non-trivially, his soaring ambitions glide past the ear and conscious mind and induce opium dreams in the subconscious. Like his election-night pledge “to do things previously thought impossible at speeds we haven’t seen in generations.” Raaaahr! Except, um, what things? How? Instead, he sauntered off for a break and some foreign trips.

 

No, it's not the same government that is doing the same stuff.

No, I don't see the similarities between the two of listening to the provinces and industry leaders.  Neither do the provinces or industry leaders.

Well if John Robson said it must be fact....  But seriously, do you honestly think that years of mismanagement are magically resolved in 6 months?  

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

Four of those projects were already approved and under construction!

Sure, and they've been working on it for years. They have already awarded the engineering contract. They're awaiting final approvals, but those were expected fairly soon anyway.

 

And a big problem we had was the federal government getting in the way to slow down approvals. That's been removed.

He has an industry exec running the Major Projects office.  He knows that needs to be done, she knows what needs to be done, and I trust we'll see it happen going forward.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

This is a great write-up on Mark Carney's beahviour so far, and why so many of us on the Right are more than slightly cynical about what he's saying.

I'm on the left and I've been cynical about what every PM has said since I was about 20.

Like a lot of others I tried complaining about how our political system behaves and I was hopeful for a few years when reform and such were hot topics but then everyone gave up and kept things the way they were.

Now I'm kind of cynical about people too but mostly I just feel sorry for them.

[I am Groot]

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If complaining isn't getting you anywhere what other choice do you have?

The more people who complain, the more likely the government will stir itself to do something about what they're complaining about. Do you really think the government will do something for any other reason? What finally stirred the Liberals to grudgingly cut back on immigration and foreign students? It was the growing complaints and their fear of losing votes. 

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Now I'm kind of cynical about people too but mostly I just feel sorry for them.

Well said...

[I am Groot]

22 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Well if John Robson said it must be fact....  But seriously, do you honestly think that years of mismanagement are magically resolved in 6 months?  

I have seen nothing that resembles a plan and nothing that resembles an actual goal. I have seen nothing that indicates they are resolute about solving ANY problem. As opposed to just flexing and posing for the cameras.

You want to solve the housing problem? Slash immigration and foreign workers down to 100k apiece for a while. But nope, they won't do that. And it's easy. Just stop giving out new visas for foreign workers and immigrants. And crack down hard on all the fake refugees. That means refusing to accept applications from those who come from or through a safe country, putting anyone who arrives by plane without documents back on the plane they came in, and drastically limiting grounds for asylum while cutting the process to the bone. This bullshit of having newly arrived asylum claimants wait four years for an initial hearing has to be fixed FAST. 

But no, instead we'll spend $15 billion on some grandiose housing czar and organization to push paperwork around and issue briefing notes to the media.

Edited September 18, 2025 by I am Groot

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I have seen nothing that resembles a plan and nothing that resembles an actual goal. I have seen nothing that indicates they are resolute about solving ANY problem. As opposed to just flexing and posing for the cameras.

You want to solve the housing problem? Slash immigration and foreign workers down to 100k apiece for a while. But nope, they won't do that. And it's easy. Just stop giving out new visas for foreign workers and immigrants. And crack down hard on all the fake refugees. That means refusing to accept applications from those who come from or through a safe country, putting anyone who arrives by plane without documents back on the plane they came in, and drastically limiting grounds for asylum while cutting the process to the bone. This bullshit of having newly arrived asylum claimants wait four years for an initial hearing has to be fixed FAST. 

You need to read a bit more then. These are foundations that are needed to get the country moving in there right direction. Infrastructure and home building doesn't magically get built in 6 months....

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/09/11/prime-minister-carney-announces-first-projects-be-reviewed-new

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/09/14/prime-minister-carney-launches-build-canada-homes

 

Carney knows how to read the room and clearly immigration is an issue for most Canadian's which he's acknowledge and said that 'clearly we need a more focused approach'.  He's no fool...

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The more people who complain, the more likely the government will stir itself to do something about what they're complaining about. Do you really think the government will do something for any other reason? What finally stirred the Liberals to grudgingly cut back on immigration and foreign students? It was the growing complaints and their fear of losing votes. 

Oh...well...it seems the system is working just fine after all in that case.

Keep up the good work.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Well said...

I could say the same thing about politicians really, look at the shit they have to work with never mind put up with these days with political hatred, violence, death threats and whatnot.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Then I guess you should just keep on complaining each day.  Start each day with Rebel News and then come out here to complain about the Trudeau years, go out front to yell at any immigrants that might be walking down the street, take a drive around town to see how many white Canadian kids you see working at Tim Hortons, stop at a grocery store to look at food prices, drive by a walk in clinic to see what kind of line ups, and then come back here to complain about Trudeau again.  Sounds like the perfect day for you and the other habitual complainers of life....

Why thank you for your permission by the way...don't watch Rebel news sorry to break your preconceived notion of what is a conservative.. You do a lot of that... jump to conclusions....Justin took 10 years to wreck this country, so ya you got a lot more complaining coming, and it is not just to complain, it is more to remind YOU and other liberal voters just how much thought you put into placing your vote knowing what the results would be.......that and you the voters could have stopped all of this destruction years ago....instead you continue to support the same circus that brought us to this point...

SO please excuse us conservatives if we feel the need to remind you on a daily basis on just how stupid you really were....call it a teaching moment, that will be on repeat for many years... 

[herbie]

Hate to point it out so bluntly, but this is exactly what I have to explain often to the Board of Directors.
We were elected to make the dam decisions, so make the damn decision and stop worrying about pl;easing all the membership. That's your JOB.  If they don't like this one decision they can put it on the Agenda for the next meeting, if they don't like the way we do out job they can vote us out at the next AGM.

Otherwise nothing will ever get done with a herd of cats all pulling in different directions over every damn detail.

And that's the way it works, and no one gives a shit if you 'like' it or not. If most people didn't like it, you wouldn't be sitting there.

 

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, eyeball said:

I could say the same thing about politicians really, look at the shit they have to work with never mind put up with these days with political hatred, violence, death threats and whatnot.

Couldn't agree more.  The older I got the more I asked myself 'why am I putting up with this sh*t if I don't have to'.  Why a politician does it in today's world is beyond me sometimes.  

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You need to read a bit more then. These are foundations that are needed to get the country moving in there right direction. Infrastructure and home building doesn't magically get built in 6 months....

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/09/11/prime-minister-carney-announces-first-projects-be-reviewed-new

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/09/14/prime-minister-carney-launches-build-canada-homes

 

Carney knows how to read the room and clearly immigration is an issue for most Canadian's which he's acknowledge and said that 'clearly we need a more focused approach'.  He's no fool...

We have more than 1.5 million new people coming in to Canada, each year....please explain to me if 49,000 homes do magically appear every year...how is this going to put a dent in our housing crises... when they refuse to drastically lower bringing in such high numbers....My math is bad , but it looks like liberal math is worse...

And you projects list, Carney has already said it would normally take 4 years to get all the approvals completed for these projects, he has cut it down to 2....That list is still 2 years out before anything happens, and even then there is NO guarantee these projects will go ahead and get built...

[LinkSoul60]

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Justin took 10 years to wreck this country

In your words 10 years to wreck it, yet complaining that Carney hasn't fixed it in 6 months.  Do you honestly think that's realistic?

Complain away.... you do it well.  And yes, I'll continue to support Carney and this government until such time that I see nothing positive happening.  I have difficulty with buying into your conservative teaching moments' though. The Harper years were a decade plus ago, and he's long forgotten.

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

In your words 10 years to wreck it, yet complaining that Carney hasn't fixed it in 6 months.  Do you honestly think that's realistic?

Complain away.... you do it well.  And yes, I'll continue to support Carney and this government until such time that I see nothing positive happening.  I have difficulty with buying into your conservative teaching moments' though. The Harper years were a decade plus ago, and he's long forgotten.

What i have said after 6 months all we have is lots of words and promises...I mean he was the guy most qualified for the job, his words not mine, He could handle trump, he was going to move at speed....people are waiting for something anything to happen...what we have seen so far is a couple of offices open up people assigned to positions ....

OH i will be a professional in due time...give me a break....have you voted anything other than liberal....i doubt you have, proving my point, mickey mouse could be liberal leader and your vote for the mouse is understood...Harper is still living in liberals heads and will be forever....at least until PP becomes PM.......Justin's liberals used harper as a standing excuse for everything...you guys a funny sometimes...harper forgotten, really?