Weak sentences against violent criminals

[I am Groot]

I don't think it's just me. We have never exactly had harsh disciplinarians in robes, but they seem to be getting softer and weaker every year. Several times recently, I've seen judges sternly lecture violent criminals and tell them a harsh sentence is needed to deter such things and then given them a fairly light sentence when compared to what they'd have gotten in the UK or US.

In this case, several men were part of a gang of at least seven or eight who nearly beat and stabbed a social worker to death at a hotel where he was looking after a 14 year old runaway who had been trafficked was staying temporarily. He was stabbed multiple times and punched and stomped on by a big gang who trailed him back into his hotel room and continued attacking.

And their sentence? Three and a half years. Mind you, with mandatory parole that's a little more than 2 years. And if they had any pre-trial custody it could be far less.

 

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/three-men-sentenced-for-violent-attack-on-social-worker-protecting-teen

[herbie]

A: they were convicted of aggravated assault not attempted murder.
B: We have no idea if that was plea bargained down from another charge. If they can't show WHO did the stabbing, there's not much choice
D- there us no such thing as mandatory parole. You are usually released after 2/3 of your sentence under statuatory release. You are eligible to try for parole after 1/3.
E: you are in custody for pretrial so of course that's time served
F: what the hell do another country's sentences have to do with ours? Countries with more criminality than us more or less proves their longer sentences don't work.

You seem fixated on punishment rather than justice.

[I am Groot]

On 9/10/2025 at 11:06 PM, herbie said:

 

You seem fixated on punishment rather than justice.

And you seem to be utterly uninterested in justice.

[I am Groot]

Oh, don't worry. These types never get released anyway, the Lefties here all said when we complained about how the drooling twats on the Supreme Court refused to allow longer periods without parole for vicious sex killers and mass murderers.

Except, of course, they do. Because we have parole boards that, like our judges, are chosen for their ultra-progressive, hug-a-thug, bleeding-heart liberal values. No criminal is really at fault. Whatever they do it was society's fault, or their parents, or poverty or something like that.

Killer who dismembered teenage Sudbury girl gets day parole | Sudbury Star

[blackbird]

On 9/10/2025 at 8:06 PM, herbie said:

A: they were convicted of aggravated assault not attempted murder.
B: We have no idea if that was plea bargained down from another charge. If they can't show WHO did the stabbing, there's not much choice
D- there us no such thing as mandatory parole. You are usually released after 2/3 of your sentence under statuatory release. You are eligible to try for parole after 1/3.
E: you are in custody for pretrial so of course that's time served
F: what the hell do another country's sentences have to do with ours? Countries with more criminality than us more or less proves their longer sentences don't work.

You seem fixated on punishment rather than justice.

 So what deterrent is there for crime?  Very little.  No wonder this country is in such a mess.  Punishment for crime is a bad thing in Canada with liberals and NDP.  What a farce.

 

[blackbird]

The truth is the majority of violent repeat offenders are granted bail in B.C. regardless of the fact the prosecutors warn and plead with judges not to release them.  

[CouchPotato]

Meanwhile people are cheering for Tamara Lich to be locked up. The left-wing idea of justice is backasswards.

[herbie]

17 hours ago, blackbird said:

Punishment for crime is a bad thing in Canada with liberals and NDP.

Nonsensical thing to say,

You're complaining about the amount of punishment does not meet your standards, In spite of the fact that harsher punishment doesn't reduce crime.

And as usual with all these 'crime' complaints we're subject to, without knowing the details, the circumstances, nor the intracacies of the exact crime or of the trial.

[CITIZEN_2015]

We must bring back Capital Punishment to Canada for violent repeat offenders.. Nothing less than electric chair for those who commit violence against women and children repeatedly. These leftists Liberals must go.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Nonsensical thing to say,

You're complaining about the amount of punishment does not meet your standards, In spite of the fact that harsher punishment doesn't reduce crime.

And as usual with all these 'crime' complaints we're subject to, without knowing the details, the circumstances, nor the intracacies of the exact crime or of the trial.

Don't you think crime should have punishment?   Shouldn't serious crime have serious punishment?  Who cares if it doesn't reduce some other crime.  Giving serious punishment for serious crime is not going to increase crime.  If anything it should reduce it.

Don't you believe in justice?  How is it fair to the victims and victim's families if you let criminals get away without due punishment?

How is it fair to drag victim's families through parole hearings every couple years?

If the crime has already been committed, then the only question is how much punishment should the offender receive.   When you start taking into consideration the offender's upbringing, his skin colour, his race, his personal beliefs, his mental condition, the number of FNs already in prison, etc. etc., you have given up on any kind of fair justice system.

All of those things are just a money-making racket for the lawyers and everyone working in the justice system.  It also explains why many cases drag on for years and years as defence lawyers bring up every excuse under the sun why their client should get a reduced sentence or get off.  It is a steady income for lawyers.

Obviously if criminals know the punishment is very light for serious crime, that will have an effect on their thinking. 

Simple logic.

Edited September 20, 2025 by blackbird

[herbie]

Of course I do Blackbird, like I say you just want the punishment to be harsher.
And you can research yourself and see that neither lowers crime nor benefits anyone. Punishment and justice are two different things.

[User]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Of course I do Blackbird, like I say you just want the punishment to be harsher.
And you can research yourself and see that neither lowers crime nor benefits anyone. Punishment and justice are two different things.

It is a pretty simple concept. 

Most of these criminals are repeat offenders, and the longer they are off the streets, the less crime they are committing. 

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Punishment and justice are two different things.

These folks won't be happy with anything less than an overt vengeance system.

It has to hurt.

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

These folks won't be happy with anything less than an overt vengeance system.

It has to hurt.

No. Not at all. I say we send all violent offenders to live with you and Herbie when they get out, along with all the illegal immigrants and homeless and everyone else folks like Herbie supports. 

 

[herbie]

I think 90% is because we're not party to the entire case. We only hear the headlines and not the whole case.
Some crime occurred, this was the sentence. Hell, look at pasts from the past on the subject. A lot of people think NCR is 'just an excuse' and even Poilievrie tries to pretend the years until parole elegibility IS the sentence.

[Army Guy]

On 9/20/2025 at 10:53 PM, User said:

It is a pretty simple concept. 

Most of these criminals are repeat offenders, and the longer they are off the streets, the less crime they are committing. 

 

The left don't get simple concepts.... 

[I am Groot]

On 9/20/2025 at 10:03 PM, eyeball said:

These folks won't be happy with anything less than an overt vengeance system.

It has to hurt.

If someone you loved was murdered I bet you'd want the punishment to hurt whoever did it.

[eyeball]

59 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

If someone you loved was murdered I bet you'd want the punishment to hurt whoever did it.

I get that, along with knowing I don't always get what I want.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

If someone you loved was murdered I bet you'd want the punishment to hurt whoever did it.

We're also aware your idea of punishment involves death. No regard for premeditated,\ crime of passion or accidental murder regardless of who did it, nor their situation.

[Legato]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

We're also aware your idea of punishment involves death. No regard for premeditated,\ crime of passion or accidental murder regardless of who did it, nor their situation.

So how about Hanging, Drawing and Quartering only reduce the quartering bit to just halving.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

We're also aware your idea of punishment involves death. No regard for premeditated,\ crime of passion or accidental murder regardless of who did it, nor their situation.

In point of fact, I have often said that I don't think the justice system is competent enough to be trusted with the death penalty. So your awareness of my ideas is as dull as your awareness of reality.

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

We're also aware your idea of punishment involves death. No regard for premeditated,\ crime of passion or accidental murder regardless of who did it, nor their situation.

Well, when we have folks like you who want to let violent repeat offenders back onto the streets...