Pierre Calls For An End To Temporary Worker Program.

[Venandi]

36 minutes ago, Aristides said:

More like, in spite of all the scientific and physical evidence piling up, people don’t believe it because they don’t want to.

The guy who is leading the fight against spraying is also saying the increased number and intensity of the fires is due to global warming.

Since this is wildly off topic I won't pursue it further...  but I think It doesn't really matter what you believe, forestry management deficiencies and excess fuel loading have consequences and the longer you chose to ignore that the worse it will get.

Frankly, the more you believe you're right the more you should actually support physical mitigation efforts. I hope you aren't going to suggest that we wait and do nothing until 195 separate countries reach a consensus on climate change.

You can't seem to achieve that consensus with a handful of posters on an anonymous forum so I think waiting is a mistake... time to get busy and maybe getting some TFWs on the job would help.  

 

Edited September 7, 2025 by Venandi

[Politics1990]

42 minutes ago, Shady said:

Calling it ragebait allows you dismiss the actual substance of the issue.   It’s not an argument.  It’s completely subjective.  Address the real issues.  Put aside your Pierre Derangement Syndrome.

not at all him and that blond wacko that came on pow and politics  don't have a clue how rural communities work. it was clear the PP host whos from NL new tons more about rural canada then  her who as the shadow minister should be more knowledgeable on the topic. all she could say is i dont believe it when he would tell her locals wont take these jobs in some small rural areas she was clueless.. you cant just end the programs it would end tons of buisness in small towns like mine and in NL .. even tim powers whos a conservative admitted it basically you cant just end it like PP is saying.. i am all for them lowing the temp workers in places like tims and fast food cause you should be able to find locals. but some jobs  locals just won't do them like fish plants for example.. 

Edited September 7, 2025 by Politics1990

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, Politics1990 said:

not at all him and that blond wacko that came on pow and politics  don't have a clue how rural communities work. you cant just end the programs it would end tons of buisness in small towns like mine and in NL .. even tim powers whos a conservative admitted it basically you cant just end it like PP is saying.. i am all for them lowing the temp workers in places like tims and fast good cause you should be able to find locals. but some jobs  locals just won't do them like fish plants for example

Pierre has proposed a standalone program to address this.

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Under this urgently-needed plan, the Temporary Foreign Workers program would be permanently abolished with a separate, standalone program for legitimately difficult-to-fill agricultural labour. For ultra-low-unemployment regions, there will be a transition period of, at most, five years while the program winds down, but no new permits will be issued anywhere in Canada.

https://www.conservative.ca/end-the-tfw-program/

[Politics1990]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

Pierre has proposed a standalone program to address this.

https://www.conservative.ca/end-the-tfw-program/

That doesn't fix my job which is not agroculture lol.. 5 years is no good locals literally dont apply  as which happens in lots of non agriculture jobs now a days.. it needs to be tweaked not abolished lol

[Shady]

1 minute ago, Politics1990 said:

That doesn't fix my job which is not agroculture lol.. 5 years is no good locals literally dont apply  as which happens in lots of non agriculture jobs now a days.. it needs to be tweaked not abolished lol

Sounds like they need to offer a more competitive salary and benefits.  Stop supporting the suppression of wages with foreign workers.

 

International students are now holding protests at CBSA offices.  They think they’re entitled to stay in Canada no matter what.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1Hh7rXF3nV/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[Politics1990]

31 minutes ago, Shady said:

Tim Hortons is almost exclusively hiring TFWs and international students.

 

see this i can agree with places like that locals will still apply to. you could keep some foreigners but they dont need  as many as they taking in atm

 

[Shady]

This is what it’s like now in Canada.  There are literally no Canadians employed at these places anymore, meanwhile youth unemployment is at recession level highs.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1Ha5io4JLB/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[Politics1990]

5 minutes ago, Shady said:

Sounds like they need to offer a more competitive salary and benefits.  Stop supporting the suppression of wages with foreign workers.

 

International students are now holding protests at CBSA offices.  They think they’re entitled to stay in Canada no matter what.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1Hh7rXF3nV/?mibextid=wwXIfr

lol like i said i make 20$ a hour and overtime for after 48 hours so im not surpressed..  wages  for some other people who lower in company and make 16.50-17.00  could go up sure. but it also a new owner (last 5 years) who is not scared to shut down  places they bought if they feel forced into possible losing money cause they already did it to one .

Edited September 7, 2025 by Politics1990

[CouchPotato]

15 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

That doesn't fix my job which is not agroculture lol.

If you are talking about fish plants, I am sure they will do the same. This is just an announcement on the site of what they are planning to do. The spirit of the idea is basically what Shady pointed out about Tim Hortons.

Edited September 7, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Aristides]

32 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Since this is wildly off topic I won't pursue it further...  but I think It doesn't really matter what you believe, forestry management deficiencies and excess fuel loading have consequences and the longer you chose to ignore that the worse it will get.

Frankly, the more you believe you're right the more you should actually support physical mitigation efforts. I hope you aren't going to suggest that we wait and do nothing until 195 separate countries reach a consensus on climate change.

You can't seem to achieve that consensus with a handful of posters on an anonymous forum so I think waiting is a mistake... time to get busy and maybe getting some TFWs on the job would help.  

 

I do support mitigation efforts but they are required because of global warming. 

I will get back on topic.

[Venandi]

Eliminate or reduce TFWs in the agricultural sector and you are going to have problems... that's not the same as preventing companies from excluding Canadian workers in favour of TFWs though.

The trucking sector and some seasonal aviation companies come instantly to mind, especially helicopter operators; it's one of the reasons I gave up on aviation.

I haven't followed this in a while but back when I was looking, companies would put out bogus job ads requiring an endorsement and PPC on popular equipment knowing full well that anyone so endorsed was already employed. Even though they got applications from seasoned 10,000 (plus) hour pilots (dare I say like me), they still petitioned the government for an LMO allowing TFWs because they didn't want to invest in the training required. The position they took with the government was that there were no qualified pilots in Canada who responded to their job ad.

It got to the point that I would submit a copy of the ad and my resume to the Minister of Labour as a form of protest... to no avail BTW.

I haven't followed the trucking industry in a while so I can't speak to how it is now. If nothing has changed though it's even more manipulated and bogus than some of the aviation machinations. The number of drivers on the road who completed abbreviated company training and have never seen snow might surprise you. If you were a Canadian driver with less than 2 years OTR though these companies wouldn't even talk to you.

I'm just cynical enough to believe that job brokers, training fees and company kickbacks played a roll in this... in fairness, I don't know that to be true but if it is it would explain a few things that never made sense to me. 

 

Edited September 7, 2025 by Venandi

[Politics1990]

11 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

If you are talking about fish plants, I am sure they will do the same. This is just an announcement on the site of what they are planning to do. The spirit of the idea is basically what Shady pointed out about Tim Hortons.

maybe so but  he didnt have it mentioned in the plan atm so im not gonna vote fora  guy who may put me out of work no offence lol

[Aristides]

There is no doubt the TFW program has been abused and manipulated but the fact remains there are industries and regions where they are necessary.

Instead of calling for the system to be banned, get it back to what it was intended to do in the first place.

[CouchPotato]

3 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

maybe so but  he didnt have it mentioned in the plan atm so im not gonna vote fora  guy who may put me out of work no offence lol

There is no election right now, but I am sure they will have plenty of time to clarify.

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Instead of calling for the system to be banned, get it back to what it was intended to do in the first place.

It sounds like that is basically what the conservatives want to do. 

[LinkSoul60]

Angry Pierre should try to understand the symptoms before finding a cure....  

 

Fabian Lange, an economics professor at McGill University in Montreal and the Canada Research Chair in Labour and Personnel Economics, said on Thursday that Canada's high youth unemployment "is primarily a business cycle phenomenon."

"Youth unemployment is like a canary in the coal mine," he told David Cochrane, host of CBC's Power & Politics. "It's one of the measures that moves the most with the business cycle."

Because Canadian businesses are grappling with economic uncertainty due to the Canada-U.S. trade war, they're retaining their current roster of employees but not hiring new workers, Lange said.

"Youth unemployment, almost by definition, are all individuals just entering the labour market. They are all looking for jobs. So when hiring slows down, unemployment in that group is going to be the first to move rapidly," he said.

Lange said he expects politicians to propose various programs to tackle the problem, but ultimately Canada's overall economic situation will need to improve before youth joblessness begins to come down.

"If our economy goes into a recession, [and] it seems to be going into a recession, then we will see this increase in youth unemployment. It's almost inevitable," he said.

"If you want to avoid this, try to make this a short and shallow recession. And that's a question for monetary and fiscal policy."

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

not at all him and that blond wacko that came on pow and politics  don't have a clue how rural communities work. it was clear the PP host whos from NL new tons more about rural canada then  her who as the shadow minister should be more knowledgeable on the topic. all she could say is i dont believe it when he would tell her locals wont take these jobs in some small rural areas she was clueless.. you cant just end the programs it would end tons of buisness in small towns like mine and in NL .. even tim powers whos a conservative admitted it basically you cant just end it like PP is saying.. i am all for them lowing the temp workers in places like tims and fast food cause you should be able to find locals. but some jobs  locals just won't do them like fish plants for example.. 

That Power and Politics interview was a telling moment. No politician deserves an easy ride. Michelle Rempel is a skilled performer and I imagine she thought she would breeze through that interview with her talking points. Instead David Cochrane had some personal insight on the issue and politely called her on it. Although he mentioned Labrador, his comments apply to rural Newfoundland just as well. The reality is that there are parts of this country where nowhere near enough locals are prepared to work in the services sector. In NL we had a notorious program of resettlement by the Smallwood government where people were forced to leave their fishing communities and settle in larger towns. In recent years the provincial government has been accused of resettlement by stealth, gradually pulling services from smaller communities until they predictably ask for resettlement themselves. PP’s proposal would have this effect and he needs to be honest about that. Where does he want us to go? Should realtors prepare for a Poilievre boom in the dowdier corners of St. John’s, Halifax and Southern Ontario? They’re all struggling to house the people they have already. 

 

Edited September 7, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Politics1990]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

That Power and Politics interview was a telling moment. Michelle Rempel is a skilled politician and I imagine she thought she would breeze through that interview with her talking points. Instead David Cochrane had some personal insight on the issue and politely called her on it. No politician deserves an easy ride. Although he mentioned Labrador, his comments apply to rural Newfoundland just as well. The reality is that there are parts of this country where nowhere near enough locals are prepared to work in the services sector. In NL we had a notorious program of resettlement by the Smallwood government where people were forced to leave their fishing communities and settle in larger towns. In recent years the provincial government has been accused of resettlement by stealth, gradually pulling services from smaller communities until they predictably ask for resettlement themselves. PP’s proposal would have this effect but he needs to be honest about that. Where does he want us to go? Should realtors prepare for a Poilievre boom in the dowdier corners of St. John’s, Halifax, Alberta and Southern Ontario? They’re all struggling to house the people they have already. 

 

yes it was by the end of the inteview  all it made me determine is wow they have no real plan at all and don't realize by just ending it what it would really do lol

Edited September 7, 2025 by Politics1990

[SpankyMcFarland]

People joke that Canada has too much geography and not enough history. An awkward truth resides there. We have a deep problem with the country we live in, speaking of our love for the subcontinent while cramming preposterously into a few cities along the American border. My former line of work was notorious for such ambivalence. Many a med school applicant can’t wait to hop on one of those helicopters and save lives in the Great White North. Fast forward ten years and they’re somehow living in Vaughan doing shifts at the local ER with no wish whatsoever to explore the personal odyssey that brought them there. If Southern Ontario and the Lower Mainland are our collective future let’s at least talk about it first. 

Edited September 7, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Aristides]

On 9/5/2025 at 9:04 PM, Shady said:

Nobody is a refugee from climate change.  Especially in Canada, where it would actually be beneficial.

Droughts, fires and floods are beneficial? Who knew?

[SpankyMcFarland]

50 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Droughts, fires and floods are beneficial? Who knew?

I think the intent there was that climate change will be beneficial overall to Canada, big picture stuff and surely a consolation in those final moments when a mighty holocaust engulfs us and our homes. Indeed I might put something like that on my tombstone - a casualty of change that was beneficial overall. 

Edited September 7, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Shady]

58 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Droughts, fires and floods are beneficial? Who knew?

All that for just a one degree rise in temperatures huh? 😂😂😂

p.s.  all that existed before, it’s just that it was accepted as part of nature, we didn’t have anything to blame every single event on.  Notice that there can be no more natural droughts, fires or floods anymore?  It’s ALL climate change! 🤣

Let’s all get back on topic.  This isn’t about climate change.  It’s about TFWs.

[Aristides]

30 minutes ago, Shady said:

All that for just a one degree rise in temperatures huh? 😂😂😂

p.s.  all that existed before, it’s just that it was accepted as part of nature, we didn’t have anything to blame every single event on.  Notice that there can be no more natural droughts, fires or floods anymore?  It’s ALL climate change! 🤣

Let’s all get back on topic.  This isn’t about climate change.  It’s about TFWs.

1,5 degrees actually and it is enough.  2024 was the warmest year since records started to be kept in 1850. 

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

the fact is aside from agriculture and MAYBE a few specialists these jobs should be filled by canadians, and businesses should be investing in productiity if they can't find enough workers locally or figuring how to make things more attractive for workers.  Not bringing in cheap 'indentured servitude' workers. 

The temp foreign worker program was never meant to provide a permanent large workforce for business.  It was meant so that people with specialized skills (like if you bought a custom product that needed to be installed in Canada by specialists) could work here or that companies opening and investing here from foreign lands could bring some of their staff to get things up and running. 

People talk about all the Indians working in fast food restaurants and retail outlets. But there's a shitload working in more skilled jobs that wind up taking jobs from and depressing the wages of Canadians. Like Canadian IT grads can't find work because all the jobs are taken by Indian temps.

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

People joke that Canada has too much geography and not enough history. An awkward truth resides there. We have a deep problem with the country we live in, speaking of our love for the subcontinent while cramming preposterously into a few cities along the American border. My former line of work was notorious for such ambivalence. Many a med school applicant can’t wait to hop on one of those helicopters and save lives in the Great White North. Fast forward ten years and they’re somehow living in Vaughan doing shifts at the local ER with no wish whatsoever to explore the personal odyssey that brought them there. If Southern Ontario and the Lower Mainland are our collective future let’s at least talk about it first. 

Like an Egyptian I saw quoted in an article earlier today, who said 93% of their country is unlivable. Everyone - a hundred million people - lives in a line along the Nile.

[SpankyMcFarland]

19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

People talk about all the Indians working in fast food restaurants and retail outlets. But there's a shitload working in more skilled jobs that wind up taking jobs from and depressing the wages of Canadians. Like Canadian IT grads can't find work because all the jobs are taken by Indian temps.

Like an Egyptian I saw quoted in an article earlier today, who said 93% of their country is unlivable. Everyone - a hundred million people - lives in a line along the Nile.

Our country is not a hostile desert and we are not a developing nation. Decades of governmental inertia have allowed our population to skew the way it has. 

[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Our country is not a hostile desert and we are not a developing nation. Decades of governmental inertia have allowed our population to skew the way it has. 

I don't know if you can call it inertia, given that they 've actively pursued a policy of drastic population increase.