Shooting in a Christian School in the US. Whether or not it will be Highly Publicized is Yet to be Determined (ie, the shooter's political status)

[West]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Expressing IGNORANT ATTACKS and DISCRIMINATION.

Do you even understand WHY churches oppose LGTIBQ HISTORICALLY?

It's ALL ABOUT GROWING MEMBERSHIP. And before that GROWING THE TRIBE.

AKA has nothing to do with FREEDOM.

So now you are persecuting Christians by expressing a negative opinion about them? Sad

 

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, West said:

So now you are persecuting Christians by expressing a negative opinion about them? Sad

I am fixing the problem by EDUCATING the IGNORANT and spreading the truth about the CAUSE of VIOLENCE.

The Catholic Church pretends to be Christian, but do you know they used to burn live "heretics" at the stake?

I'm SURE Christ would not approve of that. 💡 

Quote by Mahatma Gandhi : “I like your Christ, I do not ...

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

How about you?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, West said:

Its pretty sick isn't it? DARVO I believe is the new lefty term used to describe. DENY, ATTACK, REVERSE VICTIM AND OFFENDER. Sad

Why are you doing DARVO against school kids? 

It's horrific.  Honestly it's inhuman and it seems like they lean into these tactics more and more as time progresses. 

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I am fixing the problem by EDUCATING the IGNORANT and spreading the truth about the CAUSE of VIOLENCE.

The Catholic Church pretends to be Christian, but do you know they used to burn live "heretics" at the stake?

I'm SURE Christ would not approve of that. 💡 

Quote by Mahatma Gandhi : “I like your Christ, I do not ...

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

How about you?

You are justifying an act of evil by blaming the victims for the attack. 

A new low, even for you. Even the limbo dancers are impressed. 

[West]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I am fixing the problem by EDUCATING the IGNORANT and spreading the truth about the CAUSE of VIOLENCE.

The Catholic Church pretends to be Christian, but do you know they used to burn live "heretics" at the stake?

I'm SURE Christ would not approve of that. 💡 

Quote by Mahatma Gandhi : “I like your Christ, I do not ...

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

How about you?

I too have my issues with catholic theology. Namely they believe i am going to hell because I dont believe the pope is God's ambassador on earth That does not mean that I get to go MURDER CHILDREN because of it

Edited August 29, 2025 by West

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Expressing IGNORANT ATTACKS and DISCRIMINATION.

Do you even understand WHY churches oppose LGTIBQ HISTORICALLY?

It's ALL ABOUT GROWING MEMBERSHIP. And before that GROWING THE TRIBE.

AKA has nothing to do with FREEDOM.

Im not a big proponent of the church, I'm an atheist with a full appreciation of the relative freedoms guaranteed by the gov'ts in Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc states, but in Canada it seems like most people who have no religion, and therefor see the Cdn gov't as their moral compass and their only leaders, are completely blind to reality. 

For the past ten years I recognized Dems in the US as a cult, but since about 2019 it has been growing ever clearer that LPOCers are cultist as well. 

From the outside looking in, the level of credulity and stupidity of the left is mind-blowing. 

[West]

32 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Im not a big proponent of the church, I'm an atheist with a full appreciation of the relative freedoms guaranteed by the gov'ts in Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc states, but in Canada it seems like most people who have no religion, and therefor see the Cdn gov't as their moral compass and their only leaders, are completely blind to reality. 

For the past ten years I recognized Dems in the US as a cult, but since about 2019 it has been growing ever clearer that LPOCers are cultist as well. 

From the outside looking in, the level of credulity and stupidity of the left is mind-blowing. 

Thank you sir. While you may be an atheist you are not blind to the hate cult thats going on in our society

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Pulse night club?

Let's be clear. Our laws do not support such behavior. Our laws prevent such violence. However, Muslim oriented countries' laws do support violence toward gay people. As such, Muslim on gay violence is profoundly higher. 

Countries that are predominantly Jewish or Christian don't have such violence. To say that Catholics persecute gays more than  anyone else is flatly ignorant. 

Also, you don't see trans people in Islamic countries shooting up children at schools. Despite the fact that guns are far more accessible and the persecution is far greater, they don't resort to violence. Your assumption that it is the guns and the persecution is just you applying what you hope is true because it would support your own bigotry.

One of America's biggest problems is the proliferation of guns.  I understand there are more gun than people in the U.S.

The claim that guns don't kill people is one of the Devil's biggest lies propagated by the Trump MAGA gun lobby in the U.S.

Anybody with half a brain should know that if you allow guns in the hands of mentally unstable or ideologically warped people, you will get shootings.  That's why you have 48,000 death a year by guns in the U.S., about half being suicides by guns.

Bring in gun controls and stop allowing every Tom, Dick, and Harry with mental or ideological problems to have guns.

Also stop allowing people to own assault weapons and hand guns with no real purpose.  If one is a security guard, then of course he has a purpose to have a hand gun.  But why allow everyone to have hand guns?

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

I too have my issues with catholic theology. Namely they believe i am going to hell because I dont believe the pope is God's ambassador on earth That does not mean that I get to go MURDER CHILDREN because of it

Are you really so dense you IMAGINE someone said you "get to go MURDER CHILDREN because of it"?

The FACT is, the PERP MURDERED CHILDREN, and the issue is, what is the best way to STOP THAT?

[herbie]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

One of America's biggest problems is the proliferation of guns.

See, everyone in the rest of the world knows this. Even someone who openly dislikes Catholics and trans people understands that they are not the problem, the ease of gun access is.
Even the simplest solutions seem impossible to regulate there, the display of the shooters arsenal showed umpteen large capacity clips - something you can't even bloody control down there! Shame!

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

One of America's biggest problems is the proliferation of guns.  I understand there are more gun than people in the U.S.

The claim that guns don't kill people is one of the Devil's biggest lies propagated by the Trump MAGA gun lobby in the U.S.

Anybody with half a brain should know that if you allow guns in the hands of mentally unstable or ideologically warped people, you will get shootings.  That's why you have 48,000 death a year by guns in the U.S., about half being suicides by guns.

Bring in gun controls and stop allowing every Tom, Dick, and Harry with mental or ideological problems to have guns.

Also stop allowing people to own assault weapons and hand guns with no real purpose.  If one is a security guard, then of course he has a purpose to have a hand gun.  But why allow everyone to have hand guns?

Virtually everything you said there was both wrong and stupid 

The mentally unstable kill just as fast with knives and cars and arson.  And Gary Mauser (canadian) famously did a study (more than one in fact) that demonstrated this, noting that the presence or absence of guns made virtually no difference to the homicide rate. 

Gun laws tend to affect accidental gun deaths, but not criminal gun deaths.  In Canada for example tighter gun laws and bans on many types of guns has lead to MORE firearms homicides AND higher rates of homicide and violence in general. 

Sure, laws banning mentally unstable people from owning guns can have some benefit but the States already has that.  Some 'red flag' laws might help prevent mental health based mass killlings in general from all sources and there fore should be considered but that's not a 'gun specific' thing. 

there's a hundred other things that would help in the states more than "gun control". 

I shouldn't be surprised that you're advocating for the far left wing solution, a solution that has no merit and will achieve nothing. You really do seem to be a bit of a socialist at heart. 

 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Im not a big proponent of the church, I'm an atheist with a full appreciation of the relative freedoms guaranteed by the gov'ts in Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc states, but in Canada it seems like most people who have no religion, and therefor see the Cdn gov't as their moral compass and their only leaders, are completely blind to reality. 

For the past ten years I recognized Dems in the US as a cult, but since about 2019 it has been growing ever clearer that LPOCers are cultist as well. 

From the outside looking in, the level of credulity and stupidity of the left is mind-blowing. 

From the INSIDE you ARE a FOOL giving the MAGA CULT a PASS because you  believe the CONMAN IN CHIEF who is a pathological LIAR.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Are you really so dense you IMAGINE someone said you "get to go MURDER CHILDREN because of it"?

The FACT is, the PERP MURDERED CHILDREN, and the issue is, what is the best way to STOP THAT?

That's not your issue at all. You feel Christians deserve to be murdered.  I guess they're pretty close to being jews and we know how you feel about them. 

As to how to prevent this kind of thing there are many ways, but gun bans or gun control just isn't one of them. 

[gatomontes99]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

One of America's biggest problems is the proliferation of guns.  I understand there are more gun than people in the U.S.

The claim that guns don't kill people is one of the Devil's biggest lies propagated by the Trump MAGA gun lobby in the U.S.

Anybody with half a brain should know that if you allow guns in the hands of mentally unstable or ideologically warped people, you will get shootings.  That's why you have 48,000 death a year by guns in the U.S., about half being suicides by guns.

Bring in gun controls and stop allowing every Tom, Dick, and Harry with mental or ideological problems to have guns.

Also stop allowing people to own assault weapons and hand guns with no real purpose.  If one is a security guard, then of course he has a purpose to have a hand gun.  But why allow everyone to have hand guns?

You want to ban the symptoms rather than solving the problem? How progressive of you.

Mental health is the problem. The solution to mental health is not fewer guns. The two are not related. 

We need to destigmatize mental health care so that those that care for people with problems will feel comfortable getting them health. 

If we take away guns, all we are doing is punishing people that have never and will never violate the sanctity of life. We are a country that holds rights of individuals above all else. 

[West]

14 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Are you really so dense you IMAGINE someone said you "get to go MURDER CHILDREN because of it"?

The FACT is, the PERP MURDERED CHILDREN, and the issue is, what is the best way to STOP THAT?

Right. You are saying that someone telling a trans they should not mutilate themselves is the same as actually going out and murdering children. At least that's how I (and apparently others) read what you are saying 

[robosmith]

19 minutes ago, West said:

Right. You are saying that someone telling a trans they should not mutilate themselves is the same as actually going out and murdering children. At least that's how I (and apparently others) read what you are saying 

So apparently you (and "others") are unable to read. Go back and try again.

I never said anything about mutilation let alone being "the same as murder." YOU are really off the deep end here (as usual).

[West]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

So apparently you (and "others") are unable to read. Go back and try again.

I never said anything about mutilation let alone being "the same as murder." YOU are really off the deep end here (as usual).

No but you are suggesting these kids were murdered because someone said mean things to the mutilation cult (allegedly). 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

So apparently you (and "others") are unable to read. Go back and try again.

I never said anything about mutilation let alone being "the same as murder." YOU are really off the deep end here (as usual).

More like you are unable to clearly articulate your thoughts. Or even more more likely you realize what you said was horrible and now you're trying to rewrite it retroactively

[blackbird]

41 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

We need to destigmatize mental health care so that those that care for people with problems will feel comfortable getting them health. 

Your attitude is the biggest problem.  The cause of the 48,000 gun deaths a year is a simple one to understand.  You will never eliminate all the tens of millions of people with mental problems.  You should know that.  It is a simple thing to understand.  It is like 1 + 1 = ? .... Two of course.  One problem is the mental instability of millions of people and the other problem is you are putting guns in their hands.

Wake up and smell the coffee.   It's not complicated.

You are obviously driven by an ideological agenda.   You think if the government brings in gun controls and stops the widespread proliferation of guns, it is somehow a threat to your freedom.  That is absolutely absurd.  Ending the private ownership of hand guns and assault rifles has nothing to do with individual freedom.  Nobody needs to own those guns.

They simple don't.  It would not affect your freedom.   You simply don't need to own handguns and assualt rifles.  That is not freedom.  There is no such right in the real world.

If you want to be a hunter or target shoot, then you could take a safety course and pass the exam and they could check your mental history.  But a hunting rifle is not the same as a hand gun or assault rifle.  No need for everyone to have those things.

Edited August 29, 2025 by blackbird

[herbie]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The mentally unstable kill just as fast with knives and cars

The only thing worse than inly offering thoughts and prayers is actively making excuses to ignore th problem. Deflect and deny. do nothing.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Anybody with half a brain should know that if you allow guns in the hands of mentally unstable or ideologically warped people, you will get shootings.  That's why you have 48,000 death a year by guns in the U.S., about half being suicides by guns.

You should also know that those same people can kill as many or more people with trucks, knives or explosives, so effectively, all that denying people guns does is deny them an interest and leave them easy prey for criminals. 

The fact that you might have a gun in your house isn't lost on potential home invaders, and that makes a lot of people non-home invaders... 

[User]

31 minutes ago, herbie said:

The only thing worse than inly offering thoughts and prayers is actively making excuses to ignore th problem. Deflect and deny. do nothing.

[gatomontes99]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your attitude is the biggest problem.

No. That, ☝️ right there ☝️, is the problem. I come forward with a solution to the problem and you aren't willing to entertain it. You would rather attack me and ignore the problem than find a real solution. That sentence tells me everything I need to know about you. You are for politics above solutions. You don't have their best interests at heart. You just want to use this tragedy for your own political gain. 

 

3 minutes ago, User said:

I thought it was a deep and inciteful self evaluation. Are you saying he actually thought he was attacking a guy that was proposing a solution? 

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

See, everyone in the rest of the world knows this. Even someone who openly dislikes Catholics and trans people understands that they are not the problem, the ease of gun access is.
Even the simplest solutions seem impossible to regulate there, the display of the shooters arsenal showed umpteen large capacity clips - something you can't even bloody control down there! Shame!

Just like it was the ease of car access that was the problem when someone ran over and killed a bunch of people in Canada a few months ago?

No, guns are not the problem. 

America has hundreds of millions of guns lawfully owned by 1/3 of the adult population. 

If guns were the problem, we would have a whole lot more death and carnage. The problem is the sensationalization of mass shootings that has happened since Columbine. 

 

[User]

46 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nobody needs to own those guns.

No one needs to go to the lake to enjoy a nice cool swim, boating, or other activity on a hot summer day either... I guess you don't care about all the people who die and drown unless we outlaw this activity. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

The only thing worse than inly offering thoughts and prayers is actively making excuses to ignore th problem. Deflect and deny. do nothing.

No, the only thing worse than doing nothing is doing the wrong thing to virtue signal.  Attacking guns which isn't the problem IS deflecting.  Letting the problem persist just so you can pursue a morally bankrupt agenda that will lead to more deaths is evil.  Doing it while pretending to 'care about the children' is vile.