Why is the Trump admin arresting and deporting migrants and refugees who have committed no real crimes?

[Deluge]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

I thought a lot of these MAGA people who voted for Trump were Christians. 

We ARE Christians. We're teaching illegal aliens how to obey and respect laws - it's a very Christian thing to do.  

It's satanic law hating communist a$$holes like you and the gangbangers and drug traffickers that have a problem with keeping laws. 

[Deluge]

14 hours ago, User said:

Illegally entering or staying in the country IS a real crime. 

 

blackbird already knows this but he parrots this sh*t anyways. It's almost as if he's been paid to be here. 

[Deluge]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

@blackbird It's because Trump promised to do mass deportations and he very quickly ran out of violent criminals to deport.

He knows the MAGA CULT can't, and doesn't want to, compete with unskilled labor from Mexico.

Thanks largely to the democrats and their destruction of the nuclear family and its strong moral base and work ethic. 

[paxamericana]

Letting in low skill economic migrant create ghettos in every, single, city. These people are poor, they create more problem then they are worth. If you put all the good apple into a basket you end up with good apples. The opposite is also true. Stop qouting crime statistic as if it was a monolithic criteria for immigrant success. It's isn't. 

"Groups with high average levels of human capital appear to benefit from segregation, while lesseducated communities suffer."

 

Edited August 12, 2025 by paxamericana

[taxme]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

Canada takes lots of refugees and asylum seekers in.  Yet Canada is a much smaller population.  Canada has a generous support program for them.

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What kind of support do government-assisted refugees get?

The Resettlement Assistance Program (RAP) gives government-assisted refugees immediate and essential supports for their most basic needs.

Support services include:

greeting at the airport,

temporary housing,

help with finding permanent housing,

help with registering for mandatory federal and provincial programs,

orientation to the community, a service that includes

providing contacts for safety and emergency services,

introducing refugees to the city where they have settled,

explaining

public transportation,

Canada's education and health care systems,

Canadian laws and customs, and

the local climate,

personal finance help in areas such as

budgeting,

setting up a bank account and

using debit and credit cards,

basic "life skills" support for high needs clients, and

referrals to other refugee programs.

Canada provides income support under the RAP to eligible refugees who cannot pay for their own basic needs. Support can include a:

one-time household start-up allowance, and

monthly income support payment.

The level of monthly financial support is generally based on the prevailing provincial social assistance rates in the province where the refugees settle. Financial support can last up to one year after a refugee arrives in Canada, or until they can support themselves, whichever occurs first.

Did you find what you were looking for?

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What kind of support do government-assisted refugees get?

I do not know what percentage of asylum seekers are accepted and rejected.

 

 

All those nice things offered to illegals that should not have been allowed to enter Canada freely and illegally and get to stay in Canada at Canadian taxpayer's expanse. Do it the right way. Tens of thousands of Canadians have no homes to live in. Illegals are better served and looked after than our seniors and veterans.

Those illegals entered Canada illegally and they must be deported to their home countries now and stop wasting hundreds of millions of our tax dollars on people who do not belong here or deserve our tax dollars. It's time for some tough love for a change in this gawd forsaken stupid dam country full of lieberal buffoons and bullshit. 

One illegal is too many. I demand a moratorium on immigration. Works for me. 😇

[taxme]

21 hours ago, blackbird said:

I thought a lot of these MAGA people who voted for Trump were Christians.  The way ICE is arresting and deporting as many migrants and refugees as possible seems contrary to what the Bible says.

From what I have read on search engines most of these people are not criminals.  I don't think people who cross the border without proper documentation, if they are refugees or fleeing from a bad situation, can be classified as criminals.

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What Does The Bible Say About Immigrants And Refugees

Showing Compassion and Kindness

In our faith journey, we find great teachings about showing compassion and kindness, especially towards immigrants and refugees. As followers of Christ, we are called to love others and to actively express that love through our actions. The Bible consistently encourages us to care for those who may be struggling, reminding us that compassion opens our hearts and enriches our communities. While we navigate our relationships, we must remember that everyone deserves dignity, support, and a sense of welcome among us.

Exodus 22:21

“Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Exodus 22:21

This verse encourages us to treat foreigners with respect, reminding us of our past. We are called to extend kindness since we, too, may have faced struggles.

Deuteronomy 10:18-19

“He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Deuteronomy 10:18-19

In these verses, God commands us to love and care for immigrants, echoing the importance of empathy. Our own experiences can inform our ability to help those in need.

Leviticus 19:34

“The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Leviticus 19:34

This verse emphasizes equality and love. We are reminded to treat immigrants like family, which inspires inclusivity and acceptance in our communities.

Psalms 146:9

“The LORD watches over the foreigner and sustains the fatherless and the widow, but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.” – Psalms 146:9

God’s watchful eye is on those in need, including immigrants. This promise reassures us that we must also stand with and support those who are vulnerable and seeking refuge.

Matthew 25:35

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.” – Matthew 25:35

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What Does The Bible Say About Immigrants And Refugees (31 Verses Explained) - Christianity Path

Seems pretty clear how refugees are to be treated.

Whether an illegal immigrant committed a crime or not they are still in the country illegally. Hundreds of illegals have taken jobs away from Americans and have committed many serious and bad crimes. Many of the illegals that senile old BiDumb let in have committed many rapes and murders of people who would be alive today, and that probably would not have happened if the dumbocrates and BiDumb didn't let into the country tens of thousands of criminal illegals. 

If someone is in a country illegally, then they must be deported, otherwise, that country is sending a clear signal and message that the gates are open so come on in. It is time for some tough love, baby. Trump was voted in to clean up the illegal immigration mess and that is what Trump is doing. 

Why does not MH ever reply to many of my posts? I am pretty sure that you are there reading my posts, MH. Just wondering. 😇

[SpankyMcFarland]

Here’s an example of America bringing somebody home who is certainly not one of her best:

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A Venezuelan American murderer and ex-US marine, who killed three people in Spain in 2016, was released to the US during last Friday’s high-profile prisoner swap between the US, El Salvador and Venezuela, according to media and NGO reports.

Dahud Hanid Ortiz, who was convicted last year in Venezuela of a triple homicide in Madrid, is one of the 10 US nationals that arrived in Texas last Friday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/ex-marine-released-prisoner-swap-deal

FYI Mr. Ortiz has apparently been spotted in Orlando, Florida. One way out would be to tell the lads in Spain that an extradition request ASAP would be viewed most favourably in this case.

 

Edited August 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Fluffypants]

Here is the thing these raids and people getting caught up in them wouldnt happen if these blue cities and states didn't say they were sanctuary for illegals.

Most times they are after a hardened criminal but have to raid their place of work because the police aren't allowed to tell them where they live nor will they tell them when they get out of jail. 

They were warned this was going to happen due to their stupid policies and when it does they are feigning outrage and surprise like they didn't see it coming.

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Here’s an example of America bringing somebody home who is certainly not one of her best:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/ex-marine-released-prisoner-swap-deal

FYI Mr. Ortiz has apparently been spotted in Orlando, Florida. One way out would be to tell the lads in Spain that an extradition request ASAP would be viewed most favourably in this case.

 

He's kind of confusing, is he a Venezuelan citizen or an American citizen?

[SpankyMcFarland]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He's kind of confusing, is he a Venezuelan citizen or an American citizen?

I’m guessing he came to America from Venezuela and became an American citizen. Venezuela does not extradite its citizens so that’s probably why he fled there from Spain via Germany after his crimes. I think Venezuela is agnostic on the matter of dual or multiple citizenship as long as Venezuelan citizens travel to and from the country on their Venezuelan passports. 

Edited August 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I’m guessing he came to America from Venezuela and became an American citizen. Venezuela does not extradite its citizens so that’s probably why he fled there from Spain via Germany after his crimes. I think Venezuela is agnostic on the matter of dual or multiple citizenship as long as Venezuelan citizens travel to and from the country on their Venezuelan passports. 

That makes some sense but you would think they could have written the article to be clear.

Well if he's a US citizen nothing they can do, they have to take him back.

I have never believed in the idea of dual citizenship and I'm stoutly against it. the whole idea of citizenship is to have binding legal ties and loyalties to one country .

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That makes some sense but you would think they could have written the article to be clear.

Well if he's a US citizen nothing they can do, they have to take him back.

I have never believed in the idea of dual citizenship and I'm stoutly against it. the whole idea of citizenship is to have binding legal ties and loyalties to one country .

Given that he was part of a prisoner swap I don’t think they did have to take him back. The Biden administration opted not to take him. From the NYT.

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Mr. Hanid Ortiz’s crimes and conviction had been documented in the news media and in public court records for years before his release.

In 2023, officials in the Biden administration who had learned of his detention in Venezuela decided not to take him as part of a different prisoner swap, according to a former U.S. official. The official said that the Spanish authorities had asked the United States to send him to Spain, but that Spanish officials ultimately decided against this — and the Department of Justice decided it didn’t want him in the United States.

The decision by the Trump administration to facilitate Mr. Hanid Ortiz’s release from the Venezuelan prison has elicited anger and fear among relatives of his victims — and a man court records say he had intended to kill but who, ultimately, survived.

The families of the victims in Spain are angry and alarmed, particularly the man Ortiz meant to kill when he went on his rampage there. 

 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Given that he was part of a prisoner swap I don’t think they did have to take him back. The Biden administration opted not to take him. From the NYT.

The families of the victims in Spain are angry and alarmed, particularly the man Ortiz meant to kill when he went on his rampage there. 

 

I'm pretty sure you have to repatriate someone even if they are a criminal they've asked. He probably finished serving his time in Spain and they wanted to be rid of him and America had to take it back

[CDN1]

Well, I'm not a Christian so this doesn't work with me.

Manipulating empathy is a psychopathic tendency and a hallmark tactic of the left. When your "empathy" or permissiveness becomes a liability to other people's safety, you are the threat.

Edited August 13, 2025 by CDN1

[SpankyMcFarland]

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm pretty sure you have to repatriate someone even if they are a criminal they've asked. He probably finished serving his time in Spain and they wanted to be rid of him and America had to take it back

He fled Spain before any trial there. He was serving a prison sentence for those offences in Venezuela after being sentenced there in 2024. He had 29 years left on that sentence when he was released.

Edited August 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

He fled Spain before any trial there. He was serving a prison sentence for those offences in Venezuela after being sentenced there in 2024. He had 29 years left on that sentence when he was released.

I need a white board. 

Why did they release him if he was still serving a sentence?

[Shady]

Btw, what’s a “real” crime, as opposed to a non-real crime?  

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

Btw, what’s a “real” crime, as opposed to a non-real crime?  

Crime scene approves of aren't real crimes, crimes that annoy him are the real ones. 🙄🙄🙄

Basically he has no respect for the law, he just has lazy likes and doesn't like

[SpankyMcFarland]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I need a white board. 

Why did they release him if he was still serving a sentence?

As I understand it, the US sent 252 Venezuelans detained under the Alien Enemies Act to Venezuela via El Salvador. In return the Venezuelans sent ten prisoners to the US. The other nine were convicted of less serious offences and were considered to be wrongfully detained by the US or political detainees by a local NGO that advocates for prisoners. 
 

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Last week, the US state department, coordinating with the Salvadorian and Venezuelan governments, participated in a large-scale prisoner swap between the three countries. A total of 252 Venezuelans, previously detained in the US and expelled to a notorious Salvadorian prison under the Alien Enemies Act, were returned to Venezuela. In exchange, the US received 10 American nationals who were detained in Venezuela. Among them was Ortiz.

The Venezuelan NGO, Foro Penal, which tracks the movement of political prisoners in the country, released a notice on Monday, mere days after the prisoner swap, confirming the release of the 10 American prisoners. But, in their statement, they clarified that only nine of the US nationals released were “political prisoners”.

“One of the 10 Americans/residents, who were formerly detained, was not classified as a political prisoner, which is why we only documented nine formerly detained,” the organization wrote, alluding to Ortiz’s case.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/ex-marine-released-prisoner-swap-deal

[SpankyMcFarland]

One would hope this was just an error. Apparently, Spain may not be able to extradite this guy now or may not want to and the whole thing could take years. He is clearly dangerous. 
 

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Ortiz carried out a violent murder in Madrid, Spain, in 2016 which made international headlines. According to press reports, in a fit of jealousy, Ortiz drove from Germany to Spain to track down his ex-wife’s new partner, Víctor Joel Salas, an attorney based in Madrid. Ortiz had previously threatened Salas, a Spanish newspaper reported.

Ortiz entered Salas’s office and instead found two women, employees of the law firm. He stabbed the two women and waited for Salas to enter the office. When a taxi driver and client of the law firm entered, Ortiz stabbed the man, set fire to the law firm’s offices and fled. Salas arrived shortly thereafter and discovered the three bodies, El País reported.

 

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Salas, who was almost killed by Ortiz, told the Spanish TV program Vamos a Ver on Tuesday that he and the victims’ families had been shocked by news of Ortiz’s release.

“We all feel like we’ve been deceived, betrayed and let down,” he said. “We feel deceived because Dahud Hanid Ortiz was never a political prisoner; he was a murderer who was convicted and sentenced by the Venezuelan authorities. The case record makes it quite clear that he’s a criminal.”

Apparently the Spanish govt were involved in these negotiations. Did they speak up? 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/23/ex-marine-released-prisoner-swap-deal

Edited August 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

More revelations on Ortiz. US officials knew very early on they had a serious problem on their hands:

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On July 18, the day of the prisoner release, U.S. officials tried to figure out whether and how to acknowledge that Washington was bringing home Dahud Hanid Ortiz, whose case seemed to undercut President Trump’s claims of keeping the worst of the worst out of the United States.

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“We had understood that we don’t want to refer to him as a hostage or wrongfully detained, which is why we said nine,” a press official wrote.

Michael Kozak, the career official who oversees diplomacy in the Western Hemisphere, replied: “Well then we probably should not have asked for him. Can we now extradite him to Spain? We did get the S.O.B. released.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/01/us/politics/triple-murderer-release-trump-venezuela.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

 

[gatomontes99]

Why is Trump deporting non criminals? 

Because jobs baby.

Because housing baby.

Because it's the law bìtch. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Why is Trump deporting non criminals? 

Because jobs baby.

Because housing baby.

Because it's the law bìtch. 

 

Based on the story you're quoting it doesn't sound like he's deporting them as much as they've just gotten the message that they can't be there without permission and are leaving on their own accord

[gatomontes99]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Based on the story you're quoting it doesn't sound like he's deporting them as much as they've just gotten the message that they can't be there without permission and are leaving on their own accord

Yeah...that's what that story is about. I needed a place to deposit it so it got a loose tie in. 

[Fluffypants]

On 8/11/2025 at 4:47 AM, blackbird said:

Someone asked why we don't take more migrants.  I was just pointing out Canada does more than its share to help refugees.

In 45 years you have taken in a whole million refugees? So about 20k a year WOW you are so generous. There are about 20 million illegal aliens in the US right now. They aren't refugees they are people who just showed up and snuck in.