What will hold up longer, Canadian pride or their bank account?

[paxamericana]

Trump to implement 35% non nafta goods tariff. 

What will hold up longer Canucks?

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6852721

Edited August 1, 2025 by paxamericana

[Shady]

I think the sheep in Canada will go down with the ship.  It seems to me that they're willing to burn the country to the ground, along with our standard of living over their hatred of Trump.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

I think the sheep in Canada will go down with the ship.  It seems to me that they're willing to burn the country to the ground, along with our standard of living over their hatred of Trump.  

Canadians will hold out as long as they need to, but carney will not. Carney is the weak link and trump knows it. That's why trump wanted him to win the election.

We got a little bit of insight from the Americans into the negotiations. The big sticking points apparently are reciprocal tariffs and supply management.

Carney wants reciprocal tariffs for the same reason that trump wants tariffs, to come up with the money to pay for what he needs to do to keep our businesses afloat and to look like he didn't just bend over.  So he won't get that.  At best trump might give him some tiny symbolic thing. 

And he doesn't want to give up supply management because he'll lose quebec and Punk off a lot of the rest of the country. But he's going to have to, or give somewhere else in a major way. Supply management pees trump off and it's a personal thing for him.  

So basically we've got no deal and we're getting worse tariffs because carney can't live with the political ramifications of what's on the table.

This is not going to end terribly well for us. The only thing we can hope is that it ends soon

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The only thing we can hope is that it ends soon

I’ll be sure to visit third world Canada. What will I be able to buy with my 5 American dollar? 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

I’ll be sure to visit third world Canada. What will I be able to buy with my 5 American dollar? 

A towel to wipe the urine off of your face with  

[herbie]

Mokusatsu

The proper response to a bully with nothing but constant threats.

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, herbie said:

Mokusatsu

The proper response to a bully with nothing but constant threats.

I love that you're still pushing the idea of censorship, but now with Manga and Animé terms because that makes it better  

[herbie]

What mutant twist in the brain matter made you think of censorship and manga? Or just your usal never 'get it' about sweet f*ck all?

Trouble loggin on to the tentacle porn site last night? HINT: gotta click 'I'm OVER 18" button.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

What mutant twist in the brain matter made you think of censorship and manga?

What do you think Mokusatsu means and where do you think it comes from? 

I should have known,  having made a lifetime of not understanding the ENGLISH words you use, you're now branching out and learning to misuse words in other languages   LOLOLOL

You're now multi-illiterate! LOLOL 

[paxamericana]

I hear a growing chorus of 51st out of these western referendums. Even Quebec is joining in. Events are unfolding faster than I had originally anticipated. 

Canadian Pride is fraying

Even a famous Candian admits below.

Edited August 4, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

I hear a growing chorus of 51st out of these western referendums. Even Quebec is joining in. Events are unfolding faster than I had originally anticipated. 

Canadian Pride is fraying

Even a famous Candian admits below.

Just because you're leaving your wife doesn't mean that you're interested in marrying the whore on the corner  

[herbie]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Just because you're leaving your wife doesn't mean that you're interested in marrying the whore on the corner

Good response!

But yhis braggart knows less than zero about anything Canadian. Can only tell a puck from a urinal cake by it's colour. Couldn't find his toque inside his own Cowichan.

[paxamericana]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

Good response!

I would caution against the polls. Secession votes often have the highest turnout since the disenfranchised participate as a protesters. Brexit happened in the same way. West Canada could soon secede, Quebec would follow and Ontario would have no choice but to leave as well. 
 

Canada as a sovereign nation is no longer serving the interests of Canadians. You’re all paying Ottawa to not be Americans. That is no longer an expense Canadians can afford. So try as you might to position yourself for negotiations but I don’t see the Ottawa budging, they’re broke.

Edited August 4, 2025 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

on the corner

And yet there is no where else to go but Donnie’s lap. It’s getting cold in Canada.

Edited August 4, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

On 7/31/2025 at 10:32 PM, paxamericana said:

Trump to implement 35% non nafta goods tariff. 

What will hold up longer Canucks?

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6852721

Trump started this mess.  He essentially uses extortionate tactics to maximize advantages for the U.S. to the extent of destroying relations with allies.  It means that Trump has compromised long-term trade and security opportunities for short-term wins.

Canada shouldn’t make any deals with this guy.  Trump is willing to destroy sectors of the U.S. economy and kill thousands of jobs in Canada to gain small advantages that probably don’t exist now that he has killed tourism to the U.S. and reduced foreign purchases of U.S. goods due to his threats on foreign economies and the sovereignty of Canada. He does this apparently to showcase America’s ability to intimidate and his own ego.

At this point let the U.S. courts and the American people address Trump.  In the meantime, Canada should produce for itself what we used to buy from America and replace exports to the U.S. with exports to other countries.  Let the U.S. pay unnecessary 50% tariffs on aluminum and 10% more for energy.  We can build infrastructure and modernize our economy.  Challenging but Canadians are galvanized.  

[paxamericana]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We can build infrastructure and modernize our economy.

Not possible, you don't have the capital or political will to do so. Canada hasn't even been able to build a pipe to the ocean because some tree huger need to consult their spiritual animal?

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada shouldn’t make any deals with this guy.  

You can't afford not to. You'll enter into recession and economic winter soon. Business investment in Canada is already at record low. Without these investments, your productivity will remain low creating a negative feedback loop that drives further business investment away. Besides customers are in the US. Why would companies setup shop in non productive Canada and be tariff when they can avoid all that just doing so in the US?

 

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trump started this mess.  He essentially uses extortionate tactics to maximize advantages for the U.S. to the extent of destroying relations with allies.  It means that Trump has compromised long-term trade and security opportunities for short-term wins.

Give it up. Canada as a sovereign nation state is no longer serving Canadian interests. You're unable to afford not being Americans. You all bicker at each other for your share of an ever shrinking pie. Mean while in America the pie is getting bigger. Canadian arrogance knows no bound. 51st is absolutely the best deal on the table, you should all be thankful of the gracious offer not given to any other country. If Canada has to endure this economic winter to rethink their prideful arrogance in the cold then so be it. It wasn't us, it's you Canada. You're your own worse enemy. 

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Not possible, you don't have the capital or political will to do so. Canada hasn't even been able to build a pipe to the ocean because some tree huger need to consult their spiritual animal?

You can't afford not to. You'll enter into recession and economic winter soon. Business investment in Canada is already at record low. Without these investments, your productivity will remain low creating a negative feedback loop that drives further business investment away. Besides customers are in the US. Why would companies setup shop in non productive Canada and be tariff when they can avoid all that just doing so in the US?

 

Give it up. Canada as a sovereign nation state is no longer serving Canadian interests. You're unable to afford not being Americans. You all bicker at each other for your share of an ever shrinking pie. Mean while in America the pie is getting bigger. Canadian arrogance knows no bound. 51st is absolutely the best deal on the table, you should all be thankful of the gracious offer not given to any other country. If Canada has to endure this economic winter to rethink their prideful arrogance in the cold then so be it. It wasn't us, it's you Canada. You're your own worse enemy. 

Nah, we’re your number one customer.  We buy more of your stuff than any other country, stuff we can manufacture ourselves.  Canada only has upside potential as our population grows, making it possible to justify domestic production of everything to supply our domestic market.  What’s more, Canadians are resource rich, with more in the ground per capita than any country.  Now is the time to set up the infrastructure for long term prosperity.

[paxamericana]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What’s more, Canadians are resource rich, with more in the ground per capita than any country.  Now is the time to set up the infrastructure for long term prosperity.

If this was possible you would have already done so.

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada only has upside potential as our population grows

mmmmhmmmm, yeah we both know this is wishful thinking at best. If your population grows any more you won't even look like Canada. Let's just both agree that your population growth model is not politically sustainable for reason  glaringly omitted. 

[Zeitgeist]

53 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

If this was possible you would have already done so.

mmmmhmmmm, yeah we both know this is wishful thinking at best. If your population grows any more you won't even look like Canada. Let's just both agree that your population growth model is not politically sustainable for reason  glaringly omitted. 

I think 60 million should be the max.

Look, Canada has its issues. There’s potential in an economic union, but it has to be done carefully and diplomatically.  51st state isn’t on

[paxamericana]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Look, Canada has its issues. There’s potential in an economic union, but it has to be done carefully and diplomatically.  51st state isn’t on

I find this statement to be an oxymoron, you say there's advantage in being an economic union but you don't want statehood why? Seriously, I am actually trying to understand this sovereignty issue from the Canadian perspective. What is it about being an American that you find anathema? You're already culturally Americans. Many of us have families and friends on both sides of the border. Some of you own homes in Florida. 

Edited August 4, 2025 by paxamericana

[eyeball]

59 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

What is it about being an American that you find anathema?

How would you feel about it if we annexed you instead?

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I would caution against the polls. Secession votes often have the highest turnout since the disenfranchised participate as a protesters. Brexit happened in the same way. West Canada could soon secede, Quebec would follow and Ontario would have no choice but to leave as well. 
 

Canada as a sovereign nation is no longer serving the interests of Canadians. You’re all paying Ottawa to not be Americans. That is no longer an expense Canadians can afford. So try as you might to position yourself for negotiations but I don’t see the Ottawa budging, they’re broke.

It is always possible the Canadian provinces will break away from Canada and either a new type of union will be formed or they will go it alone. But that does not mean they are going to join America.

[paxamericana]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How would you feel about it if we annexed you instead?

If it means that my children would have a better future then why not? How else do you think the new world was found. Our ancestor decided to risk drowning on a boat ride for a better future. Meanwhile Canadians are allergic to paying lower taxes and having access to the world largest economy and strongest currency. Your great grand parents would find this laughable. 

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is always possible the Canadian provinces will break away from Canada and either a new type of union will be formed or they will go it alone. But that does not mean they are going to join America.

I can't take this seriously at face value. How would Independence work ? Canada as a country is having a hard enough time staying intact. How would a breakaway province be better off? You're speaking from your emotions but you're not thinking about this logically. 

Edited August 4, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, paxamericana said:

And yet there is no where else to go but Donnie’s lap. It’s getting cold in Canada.

Of course there is. This may shock you but there's a lot of countries that aren't part of America. Turns out it's entirely possible

America is a dumpster fire right now.   Donny's an !diot.  I'm the first to admit he was the best choice put forward in the last 3 elections (and i will go to my grave trying to figure out how THAT happened in a country of 400 million) but he's still a twit.  America will be weaker, not stronger, when the final pros and cons are tallied. 

Why join that mess? 

What's more likely is that the provinces will move away from a centralized federal gov't and move towards an economic union of some species or the like where local provinces control their laws but money and jobs and citizens can move freely between all the 'country-provinces'

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

I can't take this seriously at face value. How would Independence work ? Canada as a country is having a hard enough time staying intact. How would a breakaway province be better off? You're speaking from your emotions but you're not thinking about this logically. 

You haven't been here that long, but I'm sure you're already beginning to get the idea that well not everything I say maybe correct, a fair bit of thought goes into everything and I don't open my mouth unless I'm pretty sure I'm right.

So if it ever seems like I'm not thinking about something, it's probably a pretty good idea to check to see if you missed something   

It would be impossible for a single problem such as Alberta to succeed as an independent nation. The only province we have that might possibly be able to pull it off theoretically is ontario. None of the others can.

Having said that if one begins to break a way chances are others will join it. Western Canada has long since seen itself as being a different place than Eastern Canada. Always felt exploited by the east as well and while the reasons for that have diminished over recent years the fact remains that there is still a great deal of that sentiment in the west.

So there are a number of possible things that can happen. The provinces can start to break up and we form a sovereignty association or economic union if you will not that different from the EU. In other words we significantly reduce the centralized authority and return power to the provinces but carve out a strong financial bond, common currency and mobility for workers and investment and product. 

Honestly that might work a lot better than what we've got right now.

Or it may be that western canadian provinces decide on their own country.  BC, alberta sask and manitoba would be a massive powerhouse without the drag of quebec and the interference of ontario.  They would have ports east and west, and the ONLY ports west, and they would have a significant hunk of the world's grain and food production, (we're the 3rd largest exporter as is and we'd retain almost all of that) obviously we'd have massive amounts of oil and potash, huge mineral resources, and depending on what the territories did some pretty damn strategic land too  

And enough of a population consumer base to at least make a go of it. THat's the only area a "western canada" would be weak, the population would be pretty small globally speaking so it's not a massive market, but considering what we sell we can work around that.