Israel is losing the plot. . .

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Casualty figures are always disputed by opposing sides in wars.

In this war, it's a price that Hamas was happy to pay since they always win in the court of public opinion when Israel is involved.

It was urban warfare against a terrorist group notorious for their use of human shields and their usual tactic of operating out of hospitals, schools, mosques etc.

This lengthy conflict received a massive amount of news coverage, which was mainly pro-'Palestinian' and anti-Israel.

Meanwhile, some estimates have the number of casualties caused by the Iranian regime at over 30,000 in a much shorter period of time, but not as much news coverage or the same level of outrage as was against Israel.

Gaza is different from most conflicts. On the one side is a regional superpower and on the other a handful of guerillas in a tiny enclave completely isolated from the world. From very early on in the conflict the Israelis knew the health ministry figures were roughly correct because they knew the Hamas fighters individually but they and their proxies in the West chose to dispute them publicly for purely political reasons as I have demonstrated. Bear this in mind about the Gaza health ministry data which impressed the Israelis privately whatever they might say to the contrary in public:

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…the data published by the health ministry since 7 October is extremely detailed: it includes a full name, date of birth, gender and ID number for all victims whose deaths were confirmed either by hospital morgues or by their relatives.

There are many differences with Iran. Our expectations are naturally much lower there. That country is a theocracy, not a democracy as Israel describes itself, and its leader isn’t welcome to speak to Congress whenever he chooses. 
 

 

Edited February 5 by SpankyMcFarland

[John Stone]

Estimates of civilian deaths caused by U.S. bombing during the Vietnam War range from approximately 30,000 to 182,000, with some estimates suggesting nearly 2 million civilian deaths overall.

30K - 2 million? 

The 2 million figure favored the NVA for propaganda purposes, while the 30k favored the U.S. / ARVN

The idea is to exploit the figures  one way or the other. 2

[ironstone]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Gaza is different from most conflicts. On the one side is a regional superpower and on the other a handful of guerillas in a tiny enclave completely isolated from the world.

'A handful of guerillas' is an understatement if ever there was one. And if you describe Gaza as a tiny enclave, for obvious reasons Israel MUST have a heavily fortified border with them. I must also point out that Egypt also has a very heavily fortified border with Gaza, but that fact is rarely mentioned. Look at a map of the region and compare the size of Israel to the Muslim nations.

What other way is the IDF supposed to fight a terrorist group that makes use of every street, every block? Nobody ever wants to address the tactics that Hamas uses against Israel. When the issue of casualties in Gaza is brought up, nobody ever likes to talk about the fact that Hamas fighters do not wear military uniforms. They do so in order to blend in with actual civilians. If they are killed, they will be counted as civilians by Hamas. There is also strong cooperation between Hamas and civilians in Gaza.

[User]

12 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

On the one side is a regional superpower and on the other a handful of guerillas in a tiny enclave completely isolated from the world.

Completely isolated from the world?

Gaza and the Palestinians are likely the most obsessed-over people in the world by most countries. 

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

You have shown yourself utterly immune to evidence on multiple occasions here. However, I will continue to post in this topic. Not everyone made their minds up years ago. 

You have posted no evidence. All you've shown is that you're driven by bigotry and hatred and are willing to put forward propaganda. You couldn't even address the issues i raised with your 'evidence' and despite your constant claims that this was a common thing for the israeli gov't to do you couldn't post A SINGLE EXAMPLE of it. 

Post away. Everyone reading your posts can see what i'm saying is true, all you're posting is propaganda and insisting it's fact. 

16 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Gaza is different from most conflicts. On the one side is a regional superpower and on the other a handful of guerillas in a tiny enclave completely isolated from the world. From very early on in the conflict the Israelis knew the health ministry figures were roughly correct because they knew the Hamas fighters individually but they and their proxies in the West chose to dispute them publicly for purely political reasons as I have demonstrated. Bear this in mind about the Gaza health ministry data which impressed the Israelis privately whatever they might say to the contrary in public:

There are many differences with Iran. Our expectations are naturally much lower there. That country is a theocracy, not a democracy as Israel describes itself, and its leader isn’t welcome to speak to Congress whenever he chooses. 
 

 

But they didn't choose to dispute them publicly and you have never come up with a single example of them doing so.

And Hamas was the one who attacked and started the conflict.

[Legato]

21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Gaza is different from most conflicts. On the one side is a regional superpower and on the other a handful of guerillas in a tiny enclave completely isolated from the world. From very early on in the conflict the Israelis knew the health ministry figures were roughly correct because they knew the Hamas fighters individually but they and their proxies in the West chose to dispute them publicly for purely political reasons as I have demonstrated. Bear this in mind about the Gaza health ministry data which impressed the Israelis privately whatever they might say to the contrary in public:

There are many differences with Iran. Our expectations are naturally much lower there. That country is a theocracy, not a democracy as Israel describes itself, and its leader isn’t welcome to speak to Congress whenever he chooses. 
 

 

You sir are nothing more than a prime example of the lefts obsession with championing an ill perceived underdog.

Even when that perceived underdog has been proven to be the main perpetrators involved in the slaughter of defenseless women and children.

All you have provided here is a bunch of hive minded opinions, rampant innuendo, and pretzel logic.

[I am Groot]

Based on recent reports, Hamas has indicated it will pay stipends to approximately 50,000 widows of fighters killed by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the ongoing war. 

Key details regarding this report include:

• Target Group: The payments are intended for the widows of Hamas combatants.
• Implications on Casualty Data: Reports suggest this figure implies a significant portion of the total fatalities in Gaza are fighters rather than non-combatant civilians.
• Financial Context: Despite having their capabilities weakened, reports from 2025 indicate that Hamas has continued to use a, at times, "secret cash-based payment system" to pay salaries and support its network, despite severe food shortages and economic strain in the region. 

[User]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Based on recent reports, Hamas has indicated it will pay stipends to approximately 50,000 widows of fighters killed by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the ongoing war. 

Key details regarding this report include:

• Target Group: The payments are intended for the widows of Hamas combatants.
• Implications on Casualty Data: Reports suggest this figure implies a significant portion of the total fatalities in Gaza are fighters rather than non-combatant civilians.
• Financial Context: Despite having their capabilities weakened, reports from 2025 indicate that Hamas has continued to use a, at times, "secret cash-based payment system" to pay salaries and support its network, despite severe food shortages and economic strain in the region. 

Israel is going to make a very bad error if they let Hamas stay in power and stay armed. 

We will be right back to this happening again in a few years or less. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

Israel is going to make a very bad error if they let Hamas stay in power and stay armed. 

We will be right back to this happening again in a few years or less. 

That's what happened the last six times so I got to say you got history on your side

[Nationalist]

Israel is dragging this Gaza thing on, and pushing the USA to attack Iran.

They had their opportunity to clear Gaza and take it...and failed.

Now...they're floundering and inching towards all-out war.

I think the Zionists should step back a few and let the dust settle before the whole world rejects them.

[John Stone]

On 2/5/2026 at 1:13 PM, User said:

Completely isolated from the world?

Gaza and the Palestinians are likely the most obsessed-over people in the world by most countries. 

 

I think Israel realizes that they've sown the wind re: the next generation of freedom fighters. 

They accept the challenge .............. they will deal with the threat with U.S. support .........or not ..............while they're able. 

Netanyahu sees the threat clearly ....... his actions are reasoned and logical ....... and the World will reap the dividends. 

Iran and by extension radical Islam don't function using cost vs. benefit calculus  ........ proof?

Gaza. ................................ 9/11?  

[John Stone]

Trump  is definitely punching 'up' if he attacks Iran with any degree of strength.... this ain't Venezuela. 

Iran is playing 3D chess - they're hoping for a regional conflict ................ might work. 

Israel sees a potential existential threat - they're correct - don't trust anyone.