Israel is losing the plot. . .

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I think Palestinians are still justified in resisting the ongoing  dispossession, oppression and subjugation that Zionists and us and our allies inflicted on them when we told to go there instead of coming here.

What do you include in your definition of 'resistance'? Are some things unacceptable or does anything go?

By their actions, both past and present, it's very clear that Palestinians believe anything goes when it comes to attacking Jews. Literally nothing is off limits for them.

[User]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What shit?

Be specific.

And now you play dumb. As usual

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

What do you include in your definition of 'resistance'? Are some things unacceptable or does anything go?

I've made it quite clear many many times that crimes against humanity should be prosecuted.

Are you deaf and blind? Fingers and la la la aren't debilitating enough?

2 minutes ago, User said:

And now you play dumb. As usual

Be specific.

[User]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Be specific.

We get it already. You are a dumb ass lying POS terrorist supporter. 

[ironstone]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I've made it quite clear many many times that crimes against humanity should be prosecuted.

That would encompass an awful lot of Palestinian attacks against Israelis. Likely the majority of their attacks. 

And when many of these terrorists are taken alive and imprisoned by the Israelis, leftists still make the absurd claim that they are 'hostages'.

[eyeball]

Just now, ironstone said:

That would encompass an awful lot of Palestinian attacks against Israelis. Likely the majority of their attacks. 

I bet it would encompass more IDF soldiers, and their commander in chief, prime minister Netanyahu.

How do explain that? Let me guess... fingers and a rousing chorus of la la la.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

FFS, go read it again fool.

I've read it many times. The problem is I read it with logic and reason and you read it Desperately trying to twist it to fit your agenda

Einstein believed in the idea of a jewish homeland and while he had concerns about a Particular leader in the end he expressed his belief that israel was good and would prosper. 

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I've made it quite clear many many times that crimes against humanity should be prosecuted.

 

No, you always say that and then specifically exclude the crimes committed by hamas whom you support. You have said repetitively that hamas's actions on October 7th were justified due to their human rights to resist oppression.

In other words you don't consider the terrorist actions to be crimes against humanity, you only consider Israeli actions to be crimes against humanity.

You pay a little lip service to the idea once in a blue moon but then you'll go on for hours and hours about how palestine was absolutely justified

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I bet it would encompass more IDF soldiers, and their commander in chief, prime minister Netanyahu.

 

Nope.

[ironstone]

44 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I bet it would encompass more IDF soldiers, and their commander in chief, prime minister Netanyahu.

How do explain that? Let me guess... fingers and a rousing chorus of la la la.

The problem for your argument is, there is a mountain of evidence detailing the kinds of things Hamas does, while there is virtually nothing to suggest that the IDF perpetrates the same kind of atrocities.

And it is not fair or accurate to conflate the civilian casualties which are unfortunately normal during urban warfare to what Hamas has done.

"The appalling record of Hamas brutality has set a new standard in graphic evidence of unrivaled human atrocities. In the aftermath of the October 7 brutal massacre of 1,400 innocent Israeli civilians – including mass rapes, tortures, bonding and immolation of toddlers, beheadings, and live mutilation; the Israeli leadership wrestled with how to show the world these horrors without desecrating the memory and dignity of these victims, while also attentive to the privacy and suffering of the victims’ families. Massive horrifying video and photographic imagery of the grotesque scenes was available through the sickening scenes which greeted Israeli rescuers who found few victims alive, but even more footage was provided by the gleeful terrorists themselves from their own body cameras, dashcams, and the devices of victims as they were slaughtered.

The need for this documentation is profound, as internet bigots flood social media with denial of this savage, cruel assault. 

https://time.com/6565186/october-7-hamas-attack-footage-film/

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

He voiced his concern for Jews.

and later said he felt the Jews were going to be just fine.

[eyeball]

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, you always say that and then specifically exclude the crimes committed by hamas whom you support. You have said repetitively that hamas's actions on October 7th were justified due to their human rights to resist oppression.

In other words you don't consider the terrorist actions to be crimes against humanity, you only consider Israeli actions to be crimes against humanity.

You pay a little lip service to the idea once in a blue moon but then you'll go on for hours and hours about how palestine was absolutely justified

Utter horseshit. You've just mangled everything I've said to suit your denial.   

23 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope.

Yup.

[eyeball]

23 hours ago, ironstone said:

The problem for your argument is, there is a mountain of evidence detailing the kinds of things Hamas does, while there is virtually nothing to suggest that the IDF perpetrates the same kind of atrocities.

And yet, in both cases people die atrociously.

I doubt any ordinary Gazan would have sanctioned any plan of Hamas that intended to commit the atrocities that occurred on Oct 7 and t's also obvious from Israeli protests that the casualties and destruction their government's response has caused is unacceptable.  That said, I can certainly see Hamas' real masters in Iran and Qatar giving the brutality of Oct 7 a thumbs up and I only have to look around here to see which sort of thumbs have gone up in encouragement of the IDF's in Gaza.

The widespread condemnation of Israel in the wake of Israel's response to Oct 7 suggests that much of the world is not prepared to accept the argument the IDF is a poster boy for humane urban warfare. The scale of death, destruction and suffering in Gaza is a pretty mountainous pile of evidence of that sentiment.  

I'm surprised you guys also don't uphold Israel's dispossession, oppression and subjugation of Palestine as the gold standard for doing so. We authorised and told them how do it after all.

[ironstone]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The widespread condemnation of Israel in the wake of Israel's response to Oct 7 suggests that much of the world is not prepared to accept the argument the IDF is a poster boy for humane urban warfare. The scale of death, destruction and suffering in Gaza is a pretty mountainous pile of evidence of that sentiment.  

The IDF has achieved the lowest ratio of civilian deaths to combatants in the in the modern era of warfare so that basically shoots down the narrative that they were conducting a slaughter. And the fact that members of Hamas DO NOT wear military uniforms must not be underestimated here since they are clearly not clearly distinguishable from actual civilians.

The Gaza Health Ministry (a Hamas entity) does not differentiate between civilian and armed militant deaths, raising questions about their accuracy. Conversely, Hamas does not differentiate between IDF and civilians, probably preferring civilians because they are softer targets.

When an opponent like Hamas operates from within a place like Al Shifa Hospital, that hospital is a legitimate target.

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The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is noted for having one of the lowest civilian death ratios in urban warfare, with estimates suggesting a combatant-to-civilian ratio of about 1 to 1.0-1.5 during recent conflicts in Gaza, which is considered a historical achievement in protecting civilian lives.

Edited January 2 by ironstone

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Utter horseshit. You've just mangled everything I've said to suit your denial.   

 

sorry kiddo. Your horse shit came pre-mangled, I just straightened it out for people to see

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Yup.

Nope. But I have to say that's one of the most intelligent arguments I've ever seen you make on this forum, it comes as close as you ever get to logic and facts  

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And yet, in both cases people die atrociously.

 

Usually due to Hamas or a similar group

If a mass and their Palestinians laid down their arms tomorrow and sued for peace within a short. Of time they would have prosperity and their own governance and all the violence would come to an end.

If the Israelis laid down their arms tomorrow we'd have a second holocaust.

These people are not the same

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, ironstone said:

The IDF has achieved the lowest ratio of civilian deaths to combatants in the in the modern era of warfare

IDGAF and it doesn't look like billions of other human beings do either.

15 minutes ago, ironstone said:

And the fact that members of Hamas DO NOT wear military uniforms must not be underestimated here since they are clearly not clearly distinguishable from actual civilians.

Well you see this is why Palestine needs to be a country so it's defence force can be as easily identifiable and richly funded from abroad as the IDF is.

Then this conflict could be fought more along the lines of an insurgent resistance as opposed  to terrorism.

That said, I understand why a two state solution is no solution at all and instead a one state two nation solution would be best.

 

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Well you see this is why Palestine needs to be a country so it's defence force can be as easily identifiable and richly funded from abroad as the IDF is.

The cowards you support climb out of the holes they hide in wearing their uniforms when it is time to oppress their own people some more after a ceasefire. 

Edited January 2 by User

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

IDGAF

You refuse to acknowledge facts like so many on your side. Your hatred for Israel and it's people is as deeply rooted as it is in most Palestinians.

 

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Well you see this is why Palestine needs to be a country so it's defence force can be as easily identifiable and richly funded from abroad as the IDF is.

Israel has built a pretty strong economy. A huge hi tech sector and arms industry. They get a lot of funding from the US, much of which goes to purchasing from the US. See my previous post about which side produces Nobel Prize winners, great achievements in science and medicine, the arts and so on. And which side produces basically SFA.

Gaza is pretty well funded from abroad but all that money and aid goes to: firstly-Hamas leaders, secondly-tunnel construction and weapons procurement.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

IDGAF and it doesn't look like billions of other human beings do either.

 

Billions of humans are the ones saying that Palestine went too far and it's murder. You would only a handful of others, most of which are Palestinian, feel differently.

Israel still pretty much has the world support. Well it's cool for left-wing politicians to speak against them there's no mass uprisings but aren't Palestinian based

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, User said:

The cowards you support climb out of the holes they hide in wearing their uniforms when it is time to oppress their own people some more after a ceasefire. 

Yeah they can be real monsters alright. The Zionist terrorists you support murdered hundreds of Jews who got in their way.

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, ironstone said:

You refuse to acknowledge facts like so many on your side. Your hatred for Israel and it's people is as deeply rooted as it is in most Palestinians.

No, I just refuse to celebrate them. Your hatred for Palestine and it's people is as deeply rooted as it is in most hard-boiled right-wingers.

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Israel still pretty much has the world support.

Sure it does.

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yeah they can be real monsters alright.

And you cheer them on. 

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, User said:

And you cheer them on. 

I cheer anyone that's under oppression no matter who's oppressing them. You leave room for yourself to cheer oppression when it suits you. I don't. Oppression never suits me at all.

So do think it was okay for Zionist terrorists to kill Jews that didn't agree with them or got in their way?

Edited January 2 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure it does.

uhhh,,,,  according to your chart there's only two countries in the world where more than half of the people don't like israel. 

The rest of the countries have less than half. The rest of those people are only mildly concerned or actually favorable.  And it doesn't even address what they're concerned about so they might like israel in general. 

Soooooo...   once again as always thanks for providing evidence you're wrong, most of the world doesn't strongly disagree with israel if you're chart is to be believed, 

Do you even read the stuff you google?

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I cheer anyone that's under oppression no matter who's oppressing them

Bullshit. Not only have you frequently cheered the repression of various groups that you don't like, it's already been shown that these people were not repressed. It is their choice to be in conflict with Israel and they could do something entirely different and have freedom and prosperity

You just hate Jews and want to see the Palestinians win by eradicating the Jews even if that means the death of civilians and women and children

[eyeball]

On 1/2/2026 at 1:25 PM, CdnFox said:

uhhh,,,,  according to your chart there's only two countries in the world where more than half of the people don't like israel. 

uhhh...sure...whatever you say there chief.