Israel is losing the plot. . .

[Boges]

You know you're in the wrong when even Trump is telling you to stop the genocide. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/28/trump-acknowledges-real-starvation-in-gaza-and-tells-israel-to-let-in-every-ounce-of-food

October 7th was a horrific terrorist attached and completely unjustifiable. But what the IDF is doing to civilians in Gaza is exponentially worse. 

I have always taken the position that Israel is a bastion of western democracy alone in a most autocratic region that wants them dead. We should protect them.  I'm not so sure anymore. 

Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal that's clinging to power because he knows that if his coalition collapses, he goes to jail. The US should pull military support for Israel as long as it continues to allow the famine in Gaza. This opinion is not anti semitic. It's anti human suffering. 

The Pro-Palestinian protestors that annoy us in the West, kind of have a point now. Using the holocaust as justification to commit your own genocide is immoral. 

[User]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

You know you're in the wrong when even Trump is telling you to stop the genocide. 

Except... Trump didn't say anything about genocide. 

Israel is letting in the food, you can follow COGAT and see the daily posts and pictures of food just sitting there waiting for the UN to come grab and distribute. 

1 hour ago, Boges said:

October 7th was a horrific terrorist attached and completely unjustifiable. But what the IDF is doing to civilians in Gaza is exponentially worse. 

No, it isn't. 

1 hour ago, Boges said:

I have always taken the position that Israel is a bastion of western democracy alone in a most autocratic region that wants them dead. We should protect them.  I'm not so sure anymore. 

I don't believe you. When you start off a post with saying they are committing genocide, you are not the kind of person who I believe was ever on their side to begin with. 
 

1 hour ago, Boges said:

The Pro-Palestinian protestors that annoy us in the West, kind of have a point now. Using the holocaust as justification to commit your own genocide is immoral. 

There is no genocide. 

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, User said:

Except... Trump didn't say anything about genocide. 

Israel is letting in the food, you can follow COGAT and see the daily posts and pictures of food just sitting there waiting for the UN to come grab and distribute. 

No, it isn't. 

I don't believe you. When you start off a post with saying they are committing genocide, you are not the kind of person who I believe was ever on their side to begin with. 
 

There is no genocide. 

Head under the sand.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/29/middleeast/famine-is-unfolding-in-gaza-un-backed-food-security-initiative-says-intl

The food now being allowed in, is woefully insufficient to meet the needs. 

[User]

23 minutes ago, Boges said:

The food now being allowed in, is woefully insufficient to meet the needs. 

It is piling up outside right now. You know who isn't starving? The Hamas terrorists who steal the food. 

 

25 minutes ago, Boges said:

Head under the sand.

How so? Posting a link isn't an argument. 

[herbie]

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especially in recent weeks, Israel has invested significant efforts in advancing the humanitarian response for the civilian population in Gaza.

What complete and utter bullshit. So untrue one would have to twist the adage and conclude this is believed and promoted out of sheer maliciousness rather than mere stupidity.

[User]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

What complete and utter bullshit. So untrue one would have to twist the adage and conclude this is believed and promoted out of sheer maliciousness rather than mere stupidity.

Facts:

Israel says it's begun daily pauses in fighting in parts of Gaza to let aid in

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-pause-fighting-humanitarian-aid-gaza/

"The Israeli military began a limited pause in fighting in three populated areas of Gaza for 10 hours a day as part of a series of steps that it says would give the United Nations and other aid agencies secure land routes to tackle a deepening hunger crisis. "

[herbie]

1 hour ago, User said:

Israel says it's begun

HAS BEGUN is the operative word, only after massive condemnation from the civilized world, and Trump too.

You don't make humanity never forget the Holocaust by inflicting one on someone else.
 

 

 

[User]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

HAS BEGUN is the operative word, only after massive condemnation from the civilized world, and Trump too.

You don't make humanity never forget the Holocaust by inflicting one on someone else.
 

 

 

Yes... you quoted:

"especially in recent weeks, Israel has invested significant efforts in advancing the humanitarian response for the civilian population in Gaza."

[Moonlight Graham]

If you want you can find evidence for Israel starving and shooting Gazans and you can find evidence for Israel providing lots of food aid.  There's so much "news" pushing different "facts" and narratives out there that I really don't know what to believe anymore, and a lot of journalists/aid organizations and even the UN are filled with people with their own political biases.

However, given the France, UK, and Canadian governments, plus even Trump have expressed great concern about the food/famine situation in Gaza i'd wager the situation isn't good there.

[Moonlight Graham]

11 hours ago, User said:

Israel is letting in the food, you can follow COGAT and see the daily posts and pictures of food just sitting there waiting for the UN to come grab and distribute. 

COGAT is a unit run by Israel's Ministry of Defense.  Their twitter posts are propaganda.

Edited July 30, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

12 hours ago, User said:

There is no genocide. 

Well, Israel has at times been using the denial of food aid as a negotiation tactic.   There's probably at least some war crimes happening, like in many wars.

Also, explain this:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/27/israeli-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-at-unarmed-gaza-aid-seekers-report

[User]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

COGAT is a unit run by Israel's Ministry of Defense.  Their twitter posts are propaganda.

What makes them pure propaganda?

The mere fact that they are run by Israel doesn't make what they post a lie. 

They have pictures, video, and provides many stats. Show me where they are lying. 

[User]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Also, explain this:

Explain what?

I don't engage with link spam. If you have a comment to make, make it. If you want to use a link to provide support for your comment, do so, with the relevant quote from the article that supports your comment. 

 

[Boges]

The food distribution under this IDF humanitarian group is far less than it was under the UN. 

[User]

27 minutes ago, Boges said:

The food distribution under this IDF humanitarian group is far less than it was under the UN. 

It is the UN distributing it now... 

 

[Aristides]

France has recognized a Palestinian state. The UK is going to recognize it if Israel doesn't meet conditions. Canada says it will recognize it in September. Even Trump has lost patience with Bibi.

Edited July 31, 2025 by Aristides

[User]

14 hours ago, Aristides said:

France has recognized a Palestinian state. The UK is going to recognize it if Israel doesn't meet conditions. Canada says it will recognize it in September. Even Trump has lost patience with Bibi.

This is dumb. Either they should have been recognized as a state on their own merits or not. Such things should not be a matter of a threat or leverage against Israel. 

Either way, it is dumb. Which state did they recognize? Was it Hamas in Gaza or the folks in the West Bank?

The whole thing is a dumb joke. 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, User said:

This is dumb. Either they should have been recognized as a state on their own merits or not. Such things should not be a matter of a threat or leverage against Israel. 

Either way, it is dumb. Which state did they recognize? Was it Hamas in Gaza or the folks in the West Bank?

The whole thing is a dumb joke. 

It's in their statements. 

I fully support Israels right to exist but they have been making it damn difficult lately. 

[User]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's in their statements. 

I fully support Israels right to exist but they have been making it damn difficult lately. 

No, Hamas did this and continues to do this. You said you want them gone... well, how do we get rid of them without war?

[Moonlight Graham]

On 7/30/2025 at 2:32 AM, User said:

What makes them pure propaganda?

The mere fact that they are run by Israel doesn't make what they post a lie. 

They have pictures, video, and provides many stats. Show me where they are lying. 

Some carts with food on them proves what exactly?   There's 2 million people in Gaza.   Is the food even getting to them?  And how much?   Stop posting government propaganda videos and show some actual data.

[User]

7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Some carts with food on them proves what exactly?   There's 2 million people in Gaza.   Is the food even getting to them?  And how much?   Stop posting government propaganda videos and show some actual data.

So... you had all this time to respond and you still can't come up with any fact-based argument for why this is propaganda?

Guess what, they post actual data too:

 

 

Edited August 1, 2025 by User

[Moonlight Graham]

8 hours ago, User said:

So... you had all this time to respond and you still can't come up with any fact-based argument for why this is propaganda?

It's propaganda because by definition that's exactly what it is.   The Israeli government isn't an objective source on how much aid is getting into Gaza, and neither is Hamas.  They're pumping out selectively curated info and videos in order to influence public perception.  Here's the definition of propaganda:

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Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception

If you have an actual objective source that has some kind of credibility on how much aid is getting in then please post it.   If you have evidence that their data is accurate please post it.   No i'm not doing your research for you, and i'm certainly not taking the Israeli government's word for it that their data is accurate.   Have fun spinning that like you love to do.

Edited August 2, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[User]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

It's propaganda because by definition that's exactly what it is. 

Yet again... you have all this time and you come back with nothing. 

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The Israeli government isn't an objective source

Now you need to define what an objective source is. An objective source is one that presents verifiable facts and evidence, which is what COGAT does. 

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They're pumping out selectively curated info and videos in order to influence public perception. 

Yes, they are providing facts and evidence. The mere fact that they are doing so to educate people and influence them doesn't make that propaganda... otherwise, literally everything would be propaganda. 

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If you have an actual objective source that has some kind of credibility on how much aid is getting in then please post it. 

You have nothing to discredit them. You can't refute the facts and evidence they provide, so you are engaging in this fallacious argument to attack the source instead. 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

13 hours ago, User said:

Now you need to define what an objective source is. An objective source is one that presents verifiable facts and evidence, which is what COGAT does. 

LOL.  Verify the facts then.

13 hours ago, User said:

Yes, they are providing facts and evidence. The mere fact that they are doing so to educate people and influence them doesn't make that propaganda... otherwise, literally everything would be propaganda. 

You have nothing to discredit them. You can't refute the facts and evidence they provide, so you are engaging in this fallacious argument to attack the source instead. 

Yes I am attacking the source.  Info coming from governments during times of war is not to be trusted on its face without evidence, especially when they're fighting a global PR battle among their financier countries.   You've provided no evidence to back their claims, just propaganda tweets.

I'm not even saying they're wrong, I'm just saying the source is not objective therefore we have no idea if their claims are true when they have every motivation to bend the truth.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

LOL.  Verify the facts then.

Here is a picture of some green grass. 

You: vErIfY tHe GrAsS