U.S. slaps 20.56% anti-dumping duties on Canadian softwood lumber

[CdnFox]

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Well this just keeps getting better

I'm sure that carney will retaliate with similar tariffs tomorrow. PFFFFfftttttt!!!

"elbows up!" 

We are losing this so badly.  Yes, this is going to wind up hurting the us consumers and trump may well come to regret this if the tariff stays in place for too long but there's no doubt Carney is way the hell in over his head

 

 

[Barquentine]

Do reciprocal tariffs help? Trump is imposing massive tax hikes on Americans. Should we do the same to Canadians?

We would be better off not taking a deal at this point. Cusma gives us a cushion for the time being. And Trump doesn't honour deals anyway.

BTW Trump hasn't gotten any deals yet, just MOUs to work towards deals, which all look terrible for all parties.

Oh, and the steel and aluminum 50% tariffs are still on everybody.

 

Edited July 28, 2025 by Barquentine
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[Boges]

No one is "getting a deal" that doesn't involve excessive tariffs. 

So at this point the status quo is better than, let's say a flat 15% on all Canadian goods, plus nothing will have changed for the industries he's targeted. 

It's only a matter of time before the US is flooded with evidence of how this is effecting prices. 

[ExFlyer]

Not much of a slap LOL. It was already 14.5%.

This tariff has been going on since 1982 and has normalized. . "Canada's softwood lumber makes up roughly 85% of America's imports and almost a quarter of the U.S. supply,"  The additional duty will only jack up the cost of american housing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_softwood_lumber_dispute

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Not much of a slap LOL. It was already 14.5%.

This tariff has been going on since 1982 and has normalized. . "Canada's softwood lumber makes up roughly 85% of America's imports and almost a quarter of the U.S. supply,"  The additional duty will only jack up the cost of american housing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_softwood_lumber_dispute

Major slap. The 15% was already hurting them badly, an extra 5% is substantial. It will hurt British Columbia quite a bit, and certainly won't be a positive for Ontario or Quebec. 

I know math isn't your strong suit, you'll just have to take the word of people who have mastered basic addition and multiplication  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

No one is "getting a deal" that doesn't involve excessive tariffs. 

So at this point the status quo is better than, let's say a flat 15% on all Canadian goods, plus nothing will have changed for the industries he's targeted. 

It's only a matter of time before the US is flooded with evidence of how this is effecting prices. 

They're all getting a deal that involves lower tariffs. Ours keep going up every month.

We are already seeing some pretty serious devastation in some of the sectors. It takes about 6 months to a year for this kind of thing to fully work its way through the economy but pretty soon we will start to see impacts in other sectors and a general slowdown overall.

Inter provincial trade hasn't substantially gone up. The major players are saying they're not interested in proposing pipelines etc under the current regulatory regimes. If the government tries it then it becomes inflationary as they have to borrow the money to do it. Our trade is not substantially better with any other country nor does it look like we're about to negotiate any particularly impressive deals in that regard.

And inflation on some of the key items like food and such is still under a great deal of pressure. And Canada cannot substantially lower its interest rates because America cannot afford to lower his interest rates. And every year we're borrowing close to 100 billion more which puts enormous pressure on the government's ability to deliver services due to the interest.

We needed to have a deal with the Americans That at the very least mitigated the impact of these tariffs. Instead our tariffs are going up. And we haven't even gotten to the point where we begin to negotiating the canada US free trade agreement which isn't scheduled to even begin until next year.

We picked the wrong guy

[ExFlyer]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Major slap. The 15% was already hurting them badly, an extra 5% is substantial. It will hurt British Columbia quite a bit, and certainly won't be a positive for Ontario or Quebec. 

I know math isn't your strong suit, you'll just have to take the word of people who have mastered basic addition and multiplication  

They had since 1982 to adapt to the 14.5%. 

They will adapt to the additional but, how and can the american housing industry adapt???  They were willing to pay the 14.5% because they needed the wood so, they will pay the extra now.

Your obsession to insult is evident even in a mature discussion

Seems you have not mastered basic business knowledge logic...knowing full well it hurts the american business more than ours.

Once again, you prove why you are such a LOSER.

Edited July 28, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

They had since 1982 to adapt to the 14.5%. 

And how does that make what I said anything less true?

6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

They will adapt to the additional but, how and can the american housing industry adapt??? 

In Both cases it will mean slowing down and rising costs. It means we will sell less lumber and it means that they will pay higher prices for their homes.

That's not good for us by the way. Selling less is not good

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Your obsession to insult is evident even in a mature discussion

You spent 3 weeks posting nothing but ass p*** and frequently go off the rails reposting the same insults every time you have a mental breakdown when you're challenged. You are in no position whatsoever to talk about insults

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Seems you have not mastered basic business knowledge logic...knowing full well it hurts the american business more than ours.

It doesn't. It hurts ours more. As I said, I realize math is a challenge for you.

For the Americans that will mean a 5% tax on materials to build a home and only some of the materials to build a home. They'll find ways to minimize that impact. The overall change in the price of a home will probably be less than 1%

But for us it means no new investment in logging in British Columbia. It means more mill closures and no new ones. It will mean a reduction in employment that will have secondary and tertiary impacts across our economy.

In case you hadn't noticed are logging industry isn't doing great already. The previous American tariffs did have an impact on us and you can't just adjust your way past that. Now it's going to get worse at a time when our industry is already suffering.

 

[Boges]

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They're all getting a deal that involves lower tariffs. Ours keep going up every month.

We are already seeing some pretty serious devastation in some of the sectors. It takes about 6 months to a year for this kind of thing to fully work its way through the economy but pretty soon we will start to see impacts in other sectors and a general slowdown overall.

Inter provincial trade hasn't substantially gone up. The major players are saying they're not interested in proposing pipelines etc under the current regulatory regimes. If the government tries it then it becomes inflationary as they have to borrow the money to do it. Our trade is not substantially better with any other country nor does it look like we're about to negotiate any particularly impressive deals in that regard.

And inflation on some of the key items like food and such is still under a great deal of pressure. And Canada cannot substantially lower its interest rates because America cannot afford to lower his interest rates. And every year we're borrowing close to 100 billion more which puts enormous pressure on the government's ability to deliver services due to the interest.

We needed to have a deal with the Americans That at the very least mitigated the impact of these tariffs. Instead our tariffs are going up. And we haven't even gotten to the point where we begin to negotiating the canada US free trade agreement which isn't scheduled to even begin until next year.

We picked the wrong guy

A "deal" which is just a framework on tariffs from Trump, would scrap the USMCA and subject many other industries to tariffs where they never saw tariffs before. 

I also don't see any evidence the blanket industry specific tariffs are being carved out with any of these deals. The EU will still pay 50% on Steel and Aluminum. 

Would any CPC support laud Carney for agreeing to a similar deal as the EU, especially before we see if Mexico has caved as well. 

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And how does that make what I said anything less true?

....is already suffering.

 

What a bunch of phukin blather and typical insults. No points, no facts, no valid argument so resort to insult...that is what you do best HA HA HA

Never expected any more from a LOSER like you LOL

[CdnFox]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

What a bunch of phukin blather and typical insults. No points, no facts, no valid argument so resort to insult...that is what you do best HA HA HA

Never expected any more from a LOSER like you LOL

There was nothing but facts in that. I gave you the facts with regards to American impact on their housing prices, I gave you the fax with regards to how it will impact our industry, they were all kinds of facts  LOLOLOL

Is this because of your math problem? You couldn't understand what was said because there were some numbers in it? They weren't very big numbers.

And I see you're running around the forum downloading everything I've said in the last little while.😆😆😆

Awwww, feeling butthurt that you were wrong and i was right again?

Could you please just try coping with the facts and addressing them instead of having mental breakdowns every time you see one?

This hurts us more than them

[ExFlyer]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There was nothing ....

This hurts us more than them

LOSER squawks again LOL

 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

A "deal" which is just a framework on tariffs from Trump, would scrap the USMCA and subject many other industries to tariffs where they never saw tariffs before. 

I also don't see any evidence the blanket industry specific tariffs are being carved out with any of these deals. The EU will still pay 50% on Steel and Aluminum. 

Would any CPC support laud Carney for agreeing to a similar deal as the EU, especially before we see if Mexico has caved as well. 

Yes, it's true that it would be just a framework but it would have no impact on the usmca. And the other Industries are already subject to tariffs.

I don't think the EU got a particularly good deal, but the UK got a much better one. The fact that someone negotiated a bad deal does not mean that we still didn't need to negotiate a good deal and that's what carney said he could do. If you can't he lied

The CPC and supposedly most of the people who voted for Carney would support him taking an elbows up attitude and if necessary launching large countermeasures and looking to cause as much damage in pain to the American public as possible while running a media campaign blaming trump in the states that are most impacted.

In short, elbows up.

This is what he promised. He would get a good deal or he would fight back. Neither is happening.

Address that directly. Explain to me how this is anything but a failure on his part based on what he promised

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

LOSER squawks again LOL

 

Still no logic, still no reason, you still can't address the simple facts and now you're having a hissy fit same as always.

Sorry to make you poop your pants again  

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry 

LOSER!!!!

[herbie]

There are no deals.
Deals are when both parties leave satisfied, not when one party gets exactly what it wants and the other doesn't benefit.
The Liar has tricked his loyal dupes into believing that a deal is when others must concede something so HE gets his way and appears to win.
Which in most cases, the dupes pay the price and think they've gained something.

And Oh Gee... another softwood tariff. Not like we haven't dealt with those for 40 odd years. Set off 4th of July fireworks and pay another $10,000 to build your house, the banks will gladly loan it to you.

Retaliate? So we can pay more too? Hell, just put a 200% duty on all wood & metal screws that aren't Robertsons.

[Boges]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yes, it's true that it would be just a framework but it would have no impact on the usmca. And the other Industries are already subject to tariffs.

I don't think the EU got a particularly good deal, but the UK got a much better one. The fact that someone negotiated a bad deal does not mean that we still didn't need to negotiate a good deal and that's what carney said he could do. If you can't he lied

The CPC and supposedly most of the people who voted for Carney would support him taking an elbows up attitude and if necessary launching large countermeasures and looking to cause as much damage in pain to the American public as possible while running a media campaign blaming trump in the states that are most impacted.

In short, elbows up.

This is what he promised. He would get a good deal or he would fight back. Neither is happening.

None of it is happening, because we're still in negotiation. 

We'll see what happens Friday. But would any of Carney's naysayers be happy with anything short of removal of all tariffs. That simply won't happen. I think the USMCA protects plenty of industries, but in the affected industries Trump has targeted, we certainly need to fight back. 

[Legato]

Trumps fighting a long range tariff war.

The Carney has yet to realise that elbows are only effective at close range.

[LinkSoul60]

13 minutes ago, Legato said:

Trumps fighting a long range tariff war.

The Carney has yet to realise that elbows are only effective at close range.

Trying something other than your typical one line mindless minutia...  how should Carney deal with Trump's tariff threats?

[Legato]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Trying something other than your typical one line mindless minutia...  how should Carney deal with Trump's tariff threats?

did you say something?

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, Legato said:

did you say something?

Got no answer do you... 😂   Ask someone to help you think about and respond to a question that requires more than 5 word response.

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Do reciprocal tariffs help? Trump is imposing massive tax hikes on Americans. Should we do the same to Canadians?

We would be better off not taking a deal at this point. Cusma gives us a cushion for the time being. And Trump doesn't honour deals anyway.

BTW Trump hasn't gotten any deals yet, just MOUs to work towards deals, which all look terrible for all parties.

Oh, and the steel and aluminum 50% tariffs are still on everybody.

What's happening down in the States is that the price of CANADIAN goods is going up, while the price of US goods is unaffected. 

It means that US producers can now create their own products and charge more money for them, in this case 20.56% more, and they will still be competitive with Canadian products. 

That means that companies that were employing Canadians who shipped products down south might go out of business, and companies might open up down south.

It could even open up jobs for skilled Canadians down south, who accept those opportunities, leaving a skill gap here, and hampering our own economy. 

Furthermore, in a lot of cases a single factory, mill or mine can be the cornerstone of the economy for a town or small city. The people who work there make enough money to support an entire family, and they use that money to buy a home, cars, groceries, get their hair cut, etc. The closure of that facility can destroy a local economy. 

We're not just losing 1 way in this trade war. We are getting hammered 6 ways from Sunday. 

[Legato]

35 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Got no answer do you... 😂   Ask someone to help you think about and respond to a question that requires more than 5 word response.

When you have something meaningful to respond to you may, just may, get a meaningful response.

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

When you have something meaningful to respond to you may, just may, get a meaningful response.

I understand this was a difficult question.... 'how should Carney deal with Trump's tariff threats?'

So again, you got nothing right...   Keep playing 3 word Maga, it suits you well.

[Legato]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I understand this was a difficult question.... 'how should Carney deal with Trump's tariff threats?'

So again, you got nothing right...   Keep playing 3 word Maga, it suits you well.

Understanding is not one your strong points. The question deserves a one word answer.

Spine.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Legato said:

Understanding is not one your strong points. The question deserves a one word answer.

Spine.

Libbies are unlucky when it comes to thinking.