Is Democracy in Canada Dead?

[WestCanMan]

If:

• Orban openly paid the Hungarian state broadcasting company hundreds of millions of dollars before an election
• gave "select media outlets" hundreds of millions of dollars before the election as well
• Hungary's state broadcasting company joined a coalition with Rebel News, Fox News, the National Post, the Sun, X, Truth Social, etc to "prevent the flow of disinformation into Hungary" 
• Hungary's state broadcaster posted "polling data" from companies that were openly hostile towards Hungary's minority parties

would the left4rds here consider Hungary's elections to be fair? 

 

How is it that we're supposed to have a democracy here in Canada when:

• the LPOC openly bribed our state broadcaster with over $1B over the past 4 elections
• the LPOC gave "select media outlets" nearly $700M over the past 4 elections
• the CBC joined a coalition with NYT, WashPo, FB, Google, Twitter (up until Musk bought it, during the covid scandal) to "prevent the flow of disinformation during the US federal election" and then again during covid? The "disinformation" that they blocked was mainly the Hunter laptop story (not disinformation, but te NYPost was banned from Twitter for telling the truth about it) and the Wuhan BSL4 story (which was again 100% true, but people were banned from FB just for mentioning that lab)
• Our state broadcaster shows us "polling data" from EKOS polling, which is openly biased in favour of the LPOC 

We actually DON'T have a democracy in Canada. If you look up the definition of a modern democracy, and all the things that a country would need to ensure that they were a democracy, WE DO NOT HAVE ONE, period. It's undeniable that we do not have a modern democracy.

Discuss. 

Edited July 1, 2025 by WestCanMan

[ExFlyer]

Nope, alive and well.

We have had 4 elections in the past 10 or so years and Canadians have chosen the right people to run the country.

So, democracy is very much alive and well 

Contrary to your opinion, which is all that...your opinion. LOL

[Moonlight Graham]

We have our issues, increasingly it seems, and there's serious problems with a party's government giving media outlets money (conflict of interest) even though I think the intentions were probably good (help out our struggling media).

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, alive and well.

We have had 4 elections in the past 10 or so years and Canadians have chosen the right people to run the country.

So, democracy is very much alive and well 

Contrary to your opinion, which is all that...your opinion. LOL

Trudeau was the most hated prime minister in Canadian history. It's widely believed that he destroyed the economy and put Canada in a terrible position. He was thrown out by his own party

So how did he get elected? It does seem that somebody had their thumb on the scales doesn't it.

Now carney got in and he's already screwing up. He just had to trump 7 billion dollars of our tax money for nothing.

If anything it's proof that our democracy is in trouble.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We have our issues, increasingly it seems, and there's serious problems with a party's government giving media outlets money (conflict of interest) even though I think the intentions were probably good (help out our struggling media).

At the end of the day while we definitely still have democracy the truth of the matter is someone has got their thumb on the scale pretty heavy. The liberals have corruptly interfered with the democratic process.

The problem with that is that the pendulum tends to swing as we've seen in the states. The democrats in the states chose to weaponize the courts, change rules to improve their chances of winning elections, And practiced presidential overreach to a very high degree. Now trump is taking all of that and doing exactly the same thing in doubling down.

So when the conservatives do get in, and they will eventually, there is a very real possibility they'll swing things back the other way. Make a point of stacking courts, make a point of ensuring that only people loyal to them are put in positions of power within the government itself, completely wipe out any left of center media sources, whatever else they see the liberals doing in order to guarantee things are slanted in their direction.

And when the left complains about it it's going to fall on deaf ears. Which means basically our democracy winds up being in a race to the bottom

[ExFlyer]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Trudeau was the most hated prime minister in Canadian history.

Who cares...he is gone.

You just cannot get out of the past... LOL

[ExFlyer]

24 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We have our issues, increasingly it seems, and there's serious problems with a party's government giving media outlets money (conflict of interest) even though I think the intentions were probably good (help out our struggling media).

For sure we have issue. The biggest economic trade issue in Canadian history...cause by Trump.

Harper subsidized the media too.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Who cares...he is gone.

 

You were the one that brought him up. You were the one that brought up the last 10 years   

Did you forget that you were the guy who brought this up? That's freaking hilarious!!!!!

LOL you have the attention span of a goldfish    And not a particularly smart goldfish or anything  

38 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

For sure we have issue. The biggest economic trade issue in Canadian history...cause by Trump.

 

Sure, and carney said he would fix it. And then he absolutely caved and gave trump what he wanted

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Harper subsidized the media too.

No he didn't   Unless you mean the CBC in which case sure but he wasn't very happy about it

 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, alive and well.

We have had 4 elections in the past 10 or so years and Canadians have chosen the right people to run the country.

So, democracy is very much alive and well 

Contrary to your opinion, which is all that...your opinion. LOL

We have some cultist f-tards like you, high interest rates, high inflation, a hamstrung economy, racial division, massive scandals that get brushed under the rug, we give away hundreds of billions of dollars every term, yet have a burgeoning homeless population and a scary rate of young people dying from fentanyl OS'd, and now we have the world's most powerful country throwing us over a barrel, but we don't have legitimate elections. 

Your quote actually works as well in NoKo as it does here. "Our elections are entirely legitimate. We elected the best leader."

Edited July 2, 2025 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We have our issues, increasingly it seems, and there's serious problems with a party's government giving media outlets money (conflict of interest) even though I think the intentions were probably good (help out our struggling media).

So at your level best you still can't pretend that our elections are legitimate. 

For real.... we shouldn't have issues with the level of democracy in our democracy. That's not the way they drew it up on the board:
"We can let media integrity dwindle to almost zero, there will be rampant media bribery and they will use fake polls to convince the electorate that everyone loves their dear leader, the MSM can cover for scandals and lies on a daily basis, the gov't and media can align with other leftist media outlets to police free speech and control the flow of information, and in the pre-election months the MSM can run pure propaganda disguised as news, and that's good enough." 

I dunno, is that what's in the constitution? To almost have a real, legitimate democracy? 

Edited July 2, 2025 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Trudeau was the most hated prime minister in Canadian history. It's widely believed that he destroyed the economy and put Canada in a terrible position. He was thrown out by his own party

So how did he get elected? It does seem that somebody had their thumb on the scales doesn't it.

Now carney got in and he's already screwing up. He just had to trump 7 billion dollars of our tax money for nothing.

If anything it's proof that our democracy is in trouble.

It's funny that 100% of leftists said he was the greatest thing since sliced bread until 3 months before the last election, and suddenly they all think he wasn't a good PM. All of them.

Left4rds couldn't possibly find a way to become more revolting imo. They're like maggots, only they serve no real purpose. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

At the end of the day while we definitely still have democracy the truth of the matter is someone has got their thumb on the scale pretty heavy. The liberals have corruptly interfered with the democratic process.

They don't just have their thumb on the scale, but even if that's all they did, that's still not a democracy.

In addition to having their thumb on the scale, their state media outlet is a signatory to a global book-burning cartel.

Sure, you could argue that banning the truth from social media sites isn't as sexy as a pile of burning books, but it's actually worse: the gov't and their bought-and-paid-for MSM are controlling the majority of our population with disinformation and propaganda.  

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Who cares...he is gone.

You just cannot get out of the past... LOL

You kissed his arse for ten years and hailed him as the King of Kings, and now he's just "gone, who cares"? 

Talk about refusing to acknowledge your failures. OMFG dude. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

For sure we have issue. The biggest economic trade issue in Canadian history...cause by Trump.

Trump sees a weak, scandal-plagued plagued country that's coming apart at the seems while simultaneously filling up with terrorists, and he wants to seize the moment. 

His job is to serve the American people, not prop up our dumpster-fire of a dysfunctional shithole. 

[herbie]

Jeez I thought PoliticaSmash was the resident nutcase.

Now it's a competition.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's funny that 100% of leftists said he was the greatest thing since sliced bread

Well, in fairness you might be able to say that if you have a severe wheat allergy and are gluten intolerant.

47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

until 3 months before the last election, and suddenly they all think he wasn't a good PM. All of them.

Left4rds couldn't possibly find a way to become more revolting imo. They're like maggots, only they serve no real purpose. 

 Dude, you need to shut up. They are going to take that as a challenge and I think you're grossly underestimating their ability to find new and exciting ways to be revolting  

[Moonlight Graham]

55 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So at your level best you still can't pretend that our elections are legitimate. 

For real.... we shouldn't have issues with the level of democracy in our democracy. That's not the way they drew it up on the board:
"We can let media integrity dwindle to almost zero, there will be rampant media bribery and they will use fake polls to convince the electorate that everyone loves their dear leader, the MSM can cover for scandals and lies on a daily basis, the gov't and media can align with other leftist media outlets to police free speech and control the flow of information, and in the pre-election months the MSM can run pure propaganda disguised as news, and that's good enough." 

I dunno, is that what's in the constitution? To almost have a real, legitimate democracy? 

We have some foreign interference and a biased public broadcaster, both things I vehemently oppose.  It's very possible this could sway a handful of seats (give-or-take).  I'm not unsympathetic to some of your takes here.  Unless it's a close tally in seats, overall I think our elections are still legitimate though.  But we need to do better.

There's a fine line between pointing out issues that must be fixed and creating lies like Trump did post-2020 and what a lot of Canadian twitter accounts do.  We have to tread carefully.  PP ventured unwisely into some Trump-ish rhetoric and policies and lost the election over it.

If I were up to me, I would reform the CBC to make it as politically neutral as possible.  CBC News would be something more akin to the Canadian Press (just facts, no spin, no politically motivated selection of stories).  I would also be extremely tough on foreign interference.

The gov also needs to tread extremely carefully about this whole "online harms" bill.  Free speech is important for a healthy democracy.  Political correctness should not be legislated.

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You were the one that brought him up. You were the one that brought up the last 10 years  !!

Sure, and carney said he would fix it.

No he didn't  

 

Yup, I keep bringing up that the Harper bailed out and the conservatives lost the next 4 consecutive elections because they have no platform that Canadians can digest and they have no leaders Canadians can accept.

Carney will fix it.

Yes he did LOL

How can you even be a reasonable deliverable critic...you have been a LOSER for what? Oh yeah over 10 years and 4+ more years to come. Ha Ha Ha

Yes, Harper funded the media

https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archive/2015/07/harper-government-announces-support-digital-media-industry.html

 

Sucks to be  LOSER for so long Eh???LOL

Edited July 2, 2025 by ExFlyer

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We have some foreign interference and a biased public broadcaster, both things I vehemently oppose.  It's very possible this could sway a handful of seats (give-or-take).  I'm not unsympathetic to some of your takes here.  Unless it's a close tally in seats, overall I think our elections are still legitimate though.  But we need to do better.

At the very best, the Libs have throttled freedom of speech just a bit more than they ever should have, our MSM lies,  pushes propaganda, and covers up scandals like it's their duty.

These pollsters that they cite just find the hot-button issues for Canadians and then frame fake polls as propaganda for the LPOC.

Pollsters meeting: "What do Canadians care most about? Oh look, real data is in... it's the trade war against Trump. So how do we frame a polling question about the trade war so that it favours Carney? What about if we all say "Everyone in Canada thinks that Mark Carney is the leader to face Trump in the trade war." Are we all in agreement?"

MG, that one BS poll is what won Carney the election. Pollsters just said "All the cool kids think that Mark Carney is the best guy to go against Trump" and the CBC built their whole propaganda barrage around that one poll. The aerage voter, who doesn't do much more than glance at a few headlines between work and kids' sports and traffic jams and watching movies and sports just goes with the flow. 

They don't know about Carney's lies, his failures, or his lack of loyalty to Canadians. He calls himself a European and the CBC calls him "Canada's best hope" and all of our voters just say "Oh, look, he's our best hope." They just don't know shit. 

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There's a fine line between pointing out issues that must be fixed and creating lies like Trump did post-2020 and what a lot of Canadian twitter accounts do.  We have to tread carefully.  PP ventured unwisely into some Trump-ish rhetoric and policies and lost the election over it.

PP did no such thing.

I constantly hear conservatives saying "Why doesn't Poilievre say this and that" and my answer is always "The CPC leaders have to watch every single word they say for 4 years or the CBC will crucify them. The Libs can gift $900M to their friends just so that they can pay the PM's mom handsomely for next to nothing, and the CBC will tell Canadians not to care about it, but if the CBC can twist a CPC soundbite into something it's not they will pistol-whip that candidate with it."  

What did PP say that was comparable to: "The unvaccinated are very often racists and misogynists. We, as leaders and Candaians, have to decide of we're going to tolerate them."?

What Trudeau said was right out of Nazi Germany. Honestly, what was that little maggot gonna do if he decided not to "tolerate" us? 

That little fu--ing bastard owes me an apology.

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If I were up to me, I would reform the CBC to make it as politically neutral as possible.  CBC News would be something more akin to the Canadian Press (just facts, no spin, no politically motivated selection of stories).  I would also be extremely tough on foreign interference.

CBC Nooz is garbage. It's not salvageable. It's at the point where even Goebbels would say "Dial it down. The peons can't possibly believe this shit anymore."

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The gov also needs to tread extremely carefully about this whole "online harms" bill.  Free speech is important for a healthy democracy.  Political correctness should not be legislated.

The gov't is all about cancelling freedom of speech, and they've been open about that. They keep introducing bills to give them the power what people can and can't say on social media. They're liars, the CBC are liars, they give you bad medical information, and now they want to control what you're allowed to see and what you're allowed to say. 

If you believe in freedom of speech, and especially the freedom to tell the truth or to say things which are entirely grounded in reason, then the LPOC and the CBC are not just bad at what they do, they are your enemy.

One of the biggest news stories of the last decade was the NY Post getting banned from Twitter for talking about the BSL4 lab, when every single thing that they said was a fact that was easily verifiable at the time it was printed. 

If you think the CBC was innocent in all of that then you are 100% wrong, because the CBC was part of the "Trusted News Initiative" at that time, along with Twitter, and the CBC was playing their part in doing exactly what Twitter was doing: squashing the story about the BSL4 lab. 

Canada is not a democracy. It's a dystopian shithole at best. We're like a farmer who inherited a beautiful plot of land and fruit trees just growing all around who's not even harvesting it, he's just drinking and smoking and cheating on his wife and yelling at her, giving her the odd smack across the face, spanking the kids when he just feels pissy, and kicking the dog. 

We are sitting on a gold mine here, but we're not digging. Instead our PM's divide us by race, vax status, sell out to their cronies, bribe the media, lie, go on lavish vacations, give billions to the most corrupt leaders on earth, and somehow we keep electing them. It's beyond ret4rded.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

We have some cultist f-tards like you, high interest rates, high inflation, a hamstrung economy, racial division, massive scandals that get brushed under the rug, we give away hundreds of billions of dollars every term, yet have a burgeoning homeless population and a scary rate of young people dying from fentanyl OS'd, and now we have the world's most powerful country throwing us over a barrel, but we don't have legitimate elections. 

Your quote actually works as well in NoKo as it does here. "Our elections are entirely legitimate. We elected the best leader."

All ya git is name calling???

o course, the fentanyl crises is is all the government fault....has nothing to do with addicts??? How narrow minded can you get?

Given the choice of Carney and PP.. yes Canada elected the best leader

Running out of truths LOL

Edited July 2, 2025 by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

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You kissed his arse for ten years and hailed him as the King of Kings, and now he's just "gone, who cares"? 

Talk about refusing to acknowledge your failures. OMFG dude. 

Nope never "kissed his arse" but, more importantly, there was no one better offered to take his place. Conservatives had 3 leaders and none of them were accepted by Canada.

Oh Conservatives watched Harper bail out and then had O'Foole, Scheer and PP and the conservatives 4 elctions still have not acknowledged their failures LOL.  OMFG Dude LOL

[Barquentine]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So how did he get elected? It does seem that somebody had their thumb on the scales doesn't it.

If the Cons ever put up a viable alternative, they just might win. In January they'll have a chance to try again.

But you're always Trumpy about it. If your side didn't win , it must be rigged. Sore loser!

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

All ya git is name calling???

o course, the fentanyl crises is is all the government fault....has nothing to do with addicts??? How narrow minded can you get?

Given the choice of Carney and PP.. yes Canada elected the best leader

Running out of truths LOL

GFYS you worthless, sub-human piece of shit. 

[ExFlyer]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

GFYS you worthless, sub-human piece of shit. 

Truth hurts ya Eh? LOL

[Legato]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Truth hurts ya Eh? LOL

So what's that bandage over you ears?

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

So what's that bandage over you ears?

Bandage?? Over my ears?? Huh??

You no like when the truth comes out?? LOL

Things are going my way...clearly not your way Ha Ha Ha