Donnie strikes three Iranian nuclear sites

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

And as we found out in 2021, one of the worst grids. The reason you import most of your aluminum from Canada is because you don’t have the massive amount of cheap power required to produce it economically.

We currently do not have the industrial electricity to process raw material. This is a correct assessment. Though massive energy investment for electricity production are being pushed forward. There are anticiapting higher demand of electricity consumption for industrial builld out through the 2030s and 40s

[LinkSoul60]

19 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

This morning was a little hairy  but I think it's settling down. Iran shot a missile at Israel after the cease fire. Israel was going to retaliate (and kind of did by taking out a radar site) but turned around after talking to POTUS. Let us hope this stands.

 

Oil aside, the markets sure like it this morning....   Now, if only the POTUS can keep his mouth shut for 15 minutes so he doesn't cause another pause or sell off.

[gatomontes99]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Oil aside, the markets sure like it this morning....   Now, if only the POTUS can keep his mouth shut for 15 minutes so he doesn't cause another pause or sell off.

He dropped the F bomb because Israel was going to retaliate. Tha sent the markets up. 

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

He dropped the F bomb because Israel was going to retaliate. Tha sent the markets up. 

Futures were up already....but agree that the F bomb helped to further reassure this is close to being over.

[Aristides]

8 hours ago, paxamericana said:

We currently do not have the industrial electricity to process raw material. This is a correct assessment. Though massive energy investment for electricity production are being pushed forward. There are anticiapting higher demand of electricity consumption for industrial builld out through the 2030s and 40s

Capacity is fine but if you can’t produce power cheaply enough, your industry won’t be competitive having to use more expensive power. You aren’t buying aluminum from us to be nice, you are doing it because we have the hydro generating power to produce it for less than you can.

Trump’s tariffs are making everything from beer cans to aircraft more expensive to produce.

Edited Wednesday at 12:36 AM by Aristides

[robosmith]

15 hours ago, Venandi said:

Normally I wouldn't bother responding to sweeping assertions that end with "duh" but I happened to be reading this at about the same time as the "duh drop." I looks like Iran is actually the hold out which isn't terribly surprising IMO.

Even if / when Iran does agree, I'm just cynical enough to believe it won't last long enough for the ink to dry...  they haven't completely gassed out yet and they are nothing if not predictable. When it happens, and I bet it does, I'd lock in that rear naked choke until they go limp.   

But that's just me

Netanyahu says Israel has agreed to Trump's proposal for ceasefire with Iran

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-says-israel-has-agreed-trumps-proposal-ceasefire-with-iran-2025-06-24/

Then HE LIED. Trump is on record being VERY PISSED at Netanyahu for breaking the cease fire ALREADY.

Trump even hauled out the F-bomb, but that didn't destroy Iran's enriched U, either. LMAO

[robosmith]

10 hours ago, Legato said:

Expensive batteries and your seemingly non-existent pumping stations which would be net energy users and therefore not viable as cheap energy sources..

........and........

Your original assertion that renewable energy was cheaper than fossil fuels. Which again it is not without subsidies.

Do try to keep up with your Porky Pies.

You're LYING. I said "for many applications.

The batteries are not as expensive as YOU BELIEVE, and pumping water up hill is JUST ONE OTHER solution.

They exist whether you know about them or not.

It's unfortunate that you're unable to educate yourself. LMAO

[Legato]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You're LYING. I said "for many applications.

The batteries are not as expensive as YOU BELIEVE, and pumping water up hill is JUST ONE OTHER solution.

They exist whether you know about them or not.

It's unfortunate that you're unable to educate yourself. LMAO

But......as in your original assertion still more expensive than fossil fuels.

Did you forget? Try upping the Adderall.

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

can’t produce power cheaply enough,

Not yet at this time. That is changing but it takes time. Energy projects are being developed where they make sense. Coal once made up 50% of our energy production. That is not longer the case. Driven by lower cost of renewables. Yes for the Carbon ideologue; It was never about saving the planet. It’s pure economics. Renewable are cheaper than fossil fuels like coal or natural gas (based on your local geography). 

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Not yet at this time. That is changing but it takes time. Energy projects are being developed where they make sense. Coal once made up 50% of our energy production. That is not longer the case. Driven by lower cost of renewables. Yes for the Carbon ideologue; It was never about saving the planet. It’s pure economics. Renewable are cheaper than fossil fuels like coal or natural gas (based on your local geography). 

The biggest impediment right now is in power generation. Technology exists to allow America to produce all the electricity it needs and to do so cheaply. The problem from a technological point right now is storage.

Solar power is only available when the sun is up, you can generate all you want but then once the sun goes down it's not there anymore. Wind power has the similar problem. And often in the united states the power demands are at the highest when the sun is least available.

If we could store electrical energy with the same sort of efficiency that we store chemical energy such as gasoline or fuels then we could easily store enough while the sun was up to provide all of America's power needs when the sun was down. Battery technology is nowhere even remotely close to that currently, the cost is insanely High and the size of the batteries for the amount of energy stored is colossal and heavy.

But there may be a day in the very near future when energy storage becomes extremely efficient. Most well actually be a better choice than any other means of production for both cost and efficiency and America can be truly an energy independent

[Venandi]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Then HE LIED. 

Everything is just so cut and dried eh? Wouldn't it be lovely if the world actually worked like that? 

Two hours after Israel agreed to the cease fire the IDF identified inbound missiles originating from Iran and instructed the military to continue the bombing effort; they struck a radar array near Tehran as a result.

Iran initially denied doing that of course but later the IRGC admitted firing the missiles but insisted that they only did it in the final moments leading up to the peace deal coming into effect. 

Congrats though, you seem to know who was lying here... superior intellect no doubt. I certainly don't know and it appears that most people who follow such things don't know for sure either. 

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trump is on record being VERY PISSED at Netanyahu for breaking the cease fire ALREADY.

Trump was clearly frustrated by the childish nature of this and the unresolved "he said she said thing"... a bit like policing children at recess from his perspective I'd guess.

BTW, 60% purity isn't weapons grade but it's well above the level required for peaceful civilian purposes... it stands as a reasonable and appropriate threshold for action. They aren't using it to build glow in the dark hands for Swiss watches; so let's not pretend that they were.

Here's a potential bugbear though, as it stands now about 400 kgs of uranium (enriched to about 60%) is unaccounted for and was likely moved to a safe location prior to the US air strikes. Personally, I would not have telegraphed any those intended actions, the entire effort would have been a coordinated strike with Israel. Now instead of "surprise, your alarm clock business is terminated" we have a "where's Waldo" question begging for an answer. 

  

Edited Wednesday at 09:57 AM by Venandi

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Venandi said:

Everything is just so cut and dried eh? Wouldn't it be lovely if the world actually worked like that? 

Two hours after Israel agreed to the cease fire the IDF identified inbound missiles originating from Iran and instructed the military to continue the bombing effort; they struck a radar array near Tehran as a result.

Iran initially denied doing that of course but later the IRGC admitted firing the missiles but insisted that they only did it in the final moments leading up to the peace deal coming into effect. 

Congrats though, you seem to know who was lying here... superior intellect no doubt. I certainly don't know and it appears that most people who follow such things don't know for sure either. 

Trump was clearly frustrated by the childish nature of this and the unresolved "he said she said thing"... a bit like policing children at recess from his perspective I'd guess.

BTW, 60% purity isn't weapons grade but it's well above the level required for peaceful civilian purposes... it stands as a reasonable and appropriate threshold for action. They aren't using it to build glow in the dark hands for Swiss watches; so let's not pretend that they were.

Here's a potential bugbear though, as it stands now about 400 kgs of uranium (enriched to about 60%) is unaccounted for and was likely moved to a safe location prior to the US air strikes. Personally, I would not have telegraphed any those intended actions, the entire effort would have been a coordinated strike with Israel. Now instead of "surprise, your alarm clock business is terminated" we have a "where's Waldo" question begging for an answer. 

  

What I KNOW is that you've FAILED to provide ANY EVIDENCE for ^these OPINIONS.

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What I KNOW is that you've FAILED to provide ANY EVIDENCE for ^these OPINIONS.

You haven't provided any evidence against them. And you're denying answer the onus is on you

[Legato]

32 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What I KNOW is that you've FAILED to provide ANY EVIDENCE for ^these OPINIONS.

You will find lots of 'O' pinions in a gearbox.

You need to stop using those without synchromesh, we can all hear the grinding.

 

[Venandi]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

What I KNOW is that you've FAILED to provide ANY EVIDENCE for ^these OPINIONS.

There's a lot of open source reporting on this, here's a BBC piece that mentions some of what i said in the post.

This information is all over the place... you need to start doing your own homework and piecing snippets together before going direcly to caps lock and spouting duhs and LMAO's.

This took 15 seconds to find and it's one of many:

Just after 05:00 GMT on Tuesday, Trump announced that the ceasefire had taken effect.

The Israeli government said it had agreed to the US ceasefire proposal just after 06:00 GMT on Tuesday, after Iran indicated that it would stop attacking if Israel did the same.

Two hours after Israel said it had agreed to the truce, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had identified missiles launched from Iran.

The Iranian military denied it had fired missiles after the ceasefire had taken effect.

Later, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) said that "in the final moments before the ceasefire was imposed on the enemy", it had struck "military and logistical centres" in Israel.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czjk3kxr3zno

 

Edited Thursday at 12:17 AM by Venandi