Canadians reject the claim they live on "stolen indigenous land".

[Nefarious Banana]

Canada is slipping away . . . hereditary chiefs, Quebec, massive immigration and debt, east vs. west, etc., etc.  We're too far down the rabbit hole.  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, cougar said:

 

Were the FN's explained what they were signing?  Did they understand?  Could they be considered informed and reasonable?  Did all accept and signs?   Were the chiefs coerced , bribed or intimidated to sign?

 

Absolutely. The records are fairly clear.

Both sides knew what they were saying what they were doing. And the problem wasn't the concepts in the agreements. The first nations demanded access to education, there's nothing particularly weird or uninformed or stupid or wrong about that. The problem was that neither party had ever addressed anything like that on any kind of scale and then it became an implementation problem.

Do we send people into the reserves to teach or do we bring people from the reserves to learn? They decided to bring people to learn because that would be cheaper and easier. Do we set up a separate government agency or do we hire the church to do it seeing as they're doing it already? Well hiring the church would have made a lot of sense to them, the church already provided educational training and already had facilities in many of these communities or near many of these communities and in fact most people set their kids to such schools and mandatory education was going to be imposed upon the general public as well as the first nations so it seemed to make sense.

But each of those decisions had consequence that was not intended or envisioned. And things changed over time, initially participation was not mandatory and that probably works better, then the government decided that all children including all immigrants and first nations had to attend school policy changed and that didn't obviously go as well as hoped. And the government in its biggest failing never attempted any kind of OverWatch or investigation of or follow through with the churches, they just turned a blind eye and let the churches have at it and wrote the checks.

But yeah, the first nations are every bit as much of participant as the king was at the time. Neither side had a lot of experience with this kind of thing, both sides wanted the best for everybody, and as always the Devil was in the details and things went off the rail.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It's my understanding that the Indians wanted nothing to do with the colonies and got what they asked for by their own actions. It was short sighted and self destructive.

They didn't cave and now they're getting what they need and want through negotiation and our justice system - we gave them access to it and the means to use it. That's on us not them.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They didn't cave and now they're getting what they need and want through negotiation and our justice system - we gave them access to it and the means to use it. That's on us not them.

so  you're saying we should deny them access to the justice system? I mean not that I necessarily disagree but....

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

so  you're saying we should deny them access to the justice system?

Nope.

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope.

Okay, so you've changed your opinion then? What you said before was inaccurate it's not on us at all. 

Sometimes it's pretty hard to follow your twists and turns as you try and Text lower rewrite what you just said 5 minutes ago left right and center

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

They didn't cave and now they're getting what they need and want through negotiation and our justice system - we gave them access to it and the means to use it. That's on us not them.

Marvie. So now we babysit a bunch of Indians? Sorry...this graveytrain needs to come to a stop.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Okay, so you've changed your opinion then?

Nope.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Nope.

Ok, so you HAVEN'T changed your opinion and you ARE still saying we should deny them access to the legal system 

man, if someone doesn't like your  opinion on something they just have to wait 5 minutes and see if they like the new one  

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Ok, so you HAVEN'T changed your opinion and you ARE still saying we should deny them access to the legal system 

Nope.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Nope.

LOL - like i said, wait five minutes and your opinion changes    It must be nice, having no brain or thoughts of your own  

[cougar]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sorry...this graveytrain needs to come to a stop.

Now Carney pledged $2 billion to Ukraine.  Looks like no matter what , the taxpayer money will be wasted in the most irrational ways no matter what.

[Nationalist]

52 minutes ago, cougar said:

Now Carney pledged $2 billion to Ukraine.  Looks like no matter what , the taxpayer money will be wasted in the most irrational ways no matter what.

Yup. Gotta keep that war going...