Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[User]

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^Despicable lack of empathy for the extremely downtrodden. Can tell you have NO MORALS WHATSOEVER;^HELLBOUND..

You can do empathy on your own as one individual to another. 

Disregarding a nations borders, laws, and immigration policies that impact society is not your empathy anymore, it is you pushing open borders madness that results in people being raped, murdered, and killed by Illegal Immigrants that are not supposed to be here. 

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

Lets get some folks together to come over to your home and rob from you. 

You show your total ignorance on this topic.  Many illegal migrants were just fleeing from a dire situation in the countries they came from.  Poverty, violence, and gangs are common.  People are also threatened by gangs.  So many of these people were just trying to find a safe place for them and their families.  You would do the same thing in their situation.

That's why your comments show you just don't understand the situation of many of these people.  If you are a Christian, you should show it with a little more empathy and love for downtrodden and desperate people.  

Edited June 6 by blackbird

[User]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You show your total ignorance on this topic.  Many illegal migrants were just fleeing from a dire situation in the countries they came from.  Poverty, violence, and gangs are common.  People are also threatened by gangs.  So many of these people were just trying to find a safe place for them and their families.  You would do the same thing in their situation.

That's why your comments show you just don't understand the situation of many of these people.  If you are a Christian, you should show it with a little more empathy and love for downtrodden and desperate people.  

You are not showing anyone any empathy. 

You are just sitting there doing nothing and not caring about how this impacts everyone else. 

What about the empathy for the families killed by a drunk driver who is an illegal immigrant? Where is your empathy for the famalies who have someone murdred or raped by illegal immigrants?

No, empathy would be YOU getting off your ass and YOU going to those countries to help people or YOU opening your home to sponsor someone to help them. 

The reality is that there are 8 billion people in this world, and the vast majority of them live in poverty, and a large chunk of those live in countries with governments that are corrupt, high crime, and lacking in freedom or liberty. 

There will NEVER be an end to the number of people who are just looking for a better life, and there is not enough room or resources to just not care if they flood our nation. The root cause never changes, you just import the sickness. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

The SCOTUS has ruled that immigration must give detainees due process much greater than the 24 hours they were being given, but DHS has been ROUTINELY ignoring that requirement. That has been called a Constitutional crisis.

They've been caught ON CAMERA trying to sneak busloads off to airports to fly them to foreign countries and in some cases those busses turned around and brought them back, after being filmed.

Where do you see that case? The one posted so far ONLY applies to those specific ones being deported as part of that specific gang to that specific country,

[taxme]

On 6/5/2025 at 1:44 PM, blackbird said:

I hope you remember your words when the government does something unfair to you.  Maybe the Canada Revenue Agency fines you for something you didn't do or maybe the RCMP arrests you for a crime you didn't commit.  Then we will see how you oppose due process won't we.

Many patriotic Canadians have already found out and felt the pain of what a communist country is like to live in. Did you forget about the patriotic Canadians that had their bank and credit card accounts frozen for peacefully assembling? That was unfair. In Canada today, there is no due process for any patriotic conservative Canadians any longer. 

The Canadian government has been committing unfair acts to Canadians for several decades now. They have given us more taxes, more government, more wokeism/DEI bullshit and have been trying very hard to destroy freedom of speech and assembly. 

I have no debt that the communist lieberals in power will do all those things to me and to you and will have no problem to sic the CRA and the RCMP on anyone who does not tow the communist lieberal line. We are living in a new Canada today where our government has been giving the green light to go ahead and to do whatever they want to do to Canada and patriotic Canadians. You need to wake the hell up. 

If you voted lieberal in the last election, then you are a sad sad person indeed. ☹️

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

If you voted lieberal in the last election, then you are a sad sad person indeed. ☹️

No, I didn't vote lieberal.   I have been a conservative for 33 years and supported them financially as well.  I also didn't just talk the talk; I walked the walk for the Conservative party over the years, working for them, holding positions and putting in a lot of time and effort.  I have done more than my share.

[User]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, I didn't vote lieberal.   I have been a conservative for 33 years and supported them financially as well.  I also didn't just talk the talk; I walked the walk for the Conservative party over the years, working for them, holding positions and putting in a lot of time and effort.  I have done more than my share.

Hey, they are bringing your boy Garcia back. Happy now?

[Fluffypants]

On 6/4/2025 at 4:02 PM, blackbird said:

What is happening in a country which was once supposed to be a leading country for human rights and freedoms is shocking.

"

The group has collected dozens of reports from immigration attorneys whose clients were immediately arrested after their court appearances only to be placed into expedited removal proceedings where they can be rapidly deported without an opportunity to appear before a judge.

Detainees include immigrants of all ages, including families with young children and toddlers as young as two and three years old, according to the group’s analysis of recent arrests.

In at least one case, ICE agents detained children who were in court with their parents and attempted to arrest a mother with a nursing infant, the report found."

Outrage after California fourth grader is detained by ICE agents during immigration hearing

You do know that its due process expedited means get them out of here faster. Here is the funny thing blackbird most of these raids and stuff are happening in "sanctuary" cities all this cry baby waaaaaaah liberal nonsense is because they won't help Ice with deporting actual CRIMINALS by giving them access to the jails they have to find them themselves and if other illegals get caught up in it well you can blame those empathetic Democrats who keep proving they love criminals more than people.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

Hey, they are bringing your boy Garcia back. Happy now?

He's being charged for something.  Trump says he will deport him.  That should make you happy.   You sound like a MAGA guy.

"Jong-Fast, who frequently comments about Trump, was asked by the host about the "indiscriminate nature" of Trump's second-term immigration raids, which have resulted in several protests.

"Look, there are unintended consequences are going to be sort of, I hope not, but I think there are a lot of unintended consequences for every Trump action, right," she replied. "Like for example, I mean, I was just listening to your block before this about the steel tariffs. So the steel tariffs are actually cutting American manufacturing, right. The due process stuff. They say they can't bring a Garcia back. Well now they brought him back. So you know this administration keeps sort of having... it kind of can't get itself together."

She added, "And so it does things like this which ultimately end up having tons of unintended consequences."

Jong-Fast then suggested voters could turn on the GOP over the backfires."

Trump put on notice over 'tons of unintended consequences' from his latest moves

He seems irrational and extremely unpredictable.  Lots of what he does has resulted in court action against what he is doing.  A court just ruled against him prohibiting foreign students from attending Harvard University.

 

[User]

27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

He's being charged for something.  Trump says he will deport him.  That should make you happy.   You sound like a MAGA guy.

Well, he is an illegal immigrant. Deportation is what happens.

From video available he appears to have been breaking the law with trafficking. So getting charged and prosecuted is what happens.

 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

He's being charged for something.  Trump says he will deport him.  That should make you happy.   You sound like a MAGA guy.

"Jong-Fast, who frequently comments about Trump, was asked by the host about the "indiscriminate nature" of Trump's second-term immigration raids, which have resulted in several protests.

"Look, there are unintended consequences are going to be sort of, I hope not, but I think there are a lot of unintended consequences for every Trump action, right," she replied. "Like for example, I mean, I was just listening to your block before this about the steel tariffs. So the steel tariffs are actually cutting American manufacturing, right. The due process stuff. They say they can't bring a Garcia back. Well now they brought him back. So you know this administration keeps sort of having... it kind of can't get itself together."

She added, "And so it does things like this which ultimately end up having tons of unintended consequences."

Jong-Fast then suggested voters could turn on the GOP over the backfires."

Trump put on notice over 'tons of unintended consequences' from his latest moves

He seems irrational and extremely unpredictable.  Lots of what he does has resulted in court action against what he is doing.  A court just ruled against him prohibiting foreign students from attending Harvard University.

 

 COURT DOCUMENT: 

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi said at a Friday afternoon news conference that thousands of "illegal aliens" were smuggled and that the people who were transported through the country are MS-13 gang members.

"The grand jury found that over the last nine years, Abrego Garcia has played a significant role in an alien-smuggling ring. They found this was his full-time job, not a contractor," Bondi said. "He was a smuggler of humans and children and women. He made over 100 trips, the grand jury found, smuggling people throughout our country — MS-13 members, violent gang terrorist organization members throughout our country."

Bondi further said Abrego Garcia is alleged with to have transporting minor children for profit.

https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/charges-against-kilmar-abrego-garcia-68434947c3484.pdf

[blackbird]

54 minutes ago, Legato said:

 COURT DOCUMENT: 

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi said at a Friday afternoon news conference that thousands of "illegal aliens" were smuggled and that the people who were transported through the country are MS-13 gang members.

"The grand jury found that over the last nine years, Abrego Garcia has played a significant role in an alien-smuggling ring. They found this was his full-time job, not a contractor," Bondi said. "He was a smuggler of humans and children and women. He made over 100 trips, the grand jury found, smuggling people throughout our country — MS-13 members, violent gang terrorist organization members throughout our country."

Bondi further said Abrego Garcia is alleged with to have transporting minor children for profit.

https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/charges-against-kilmar-abrego-garcia-68434947c3484.pdf

That could be true.  Will have to wait and see what the courts decide.  All I was pointing out was he was illegally sent to a cruel prison in El Salvador.   I was not talking about some allegations that have now been brought up against him after Trump was ordered to bring him back.  

What you are saying was not known or reported when they sent him to that prison.  He had not been charged with anything.   Hindsight is great if you have it, but you never knew any more than me.  So don't pretend you have all the answers now.

So why wasn't he charged before being sent to a torture and death prison in El Salvador?  He already had his rights violated.  How many other people have been sent to that place?   The people running this kind of system are in violation of human rights.  

The fact is he was illegally sent to a prison in El Salvador known for torture and hadn't been convicted of anything.  Trump ignored the court orders.  I don't have much respect for people that send anybody to a notorious El Salvador prison that tortures and kills prisoners.  The people that support sending them there have serious mental issues.  That is not how Canada operates at all.

Edited June 8 by blackbird

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, User said:

Hey, they are bringing your boy Garcia back. Happy now?

You like to make fake accusations.  Shows you're desperate now.  

You don't believe in due process and respecting human rights.  He was illegally sent to a prison in El Salvador known for torture and death and had not been charged with anything.  Trump ignored court rulings repeatedly.  Yet you support that kind of thing.  

Edited June 8 by blackbird

[blackbird]

On 6/5/2025 at 5:03 PM, User said:

You can do empathy on your own as one individual to another. 

Disregarding a nations borders, laws, and immigration policies that impact society is not your empathy anymore, it is you pushing open borders madness that results in people being raped, murdered, and killed by Illegal Immigrants that are not supposed to be here. 

 

You forgot to say that only a certain number of illegal migrants allegedly committed the crimes you listed.  Why is it you don't believe in justice?  What about the historic motto of innocent until proven guilty?  Where were the trials to convict people?  It is easy to make accusations without proof or due process in a justice system.  Grow up kiddo.

But Trump acted contrary to law and violated human rights by sending people to a notorious prison in El Salvador where people's human rights are violated, people are tortured, and many die.  This was already done to many people.  Many people had no due process, but even if there is a due process begun in the future, there is no right to send people to a torture and death chamber.  That is capital punishment without a fair trial.

Edited June 8 by blackbird

[User]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You like to make fake accusations.  Shows you're desperate now.  

You don't believe in due process and respecting human rights.  He was illegally sent to a prison in El Salvador known for torture and death and had not been charged with anything.  Trump ignored court rulings repeatedly.  Yet you support that kind of thing.  

Yeah, you already said all this, and I already responded to it before. Feel free to pick up where we left off. 

 

[blackbird]

Just now, User said:

Yeah, you already said all this, and I already responded to it before. Feel free to pick up where we left off. 

 

When have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything?  

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You forgot to say that only a certain number of illegal migrants committed the crimes you listed, not all of them.  Where were the trials to convict people?  It is easy to make accusations without proof or due process in a justice system.  Grow up kiddo.

No, I did not forget to say that at all. My point doesn't change because not all of them do those things nor did I say they all did. The point was to highlight your complete lack of empathy for the victims of the policies you want to force onto them. 

Again, empathy is something YOU can do for others, not you forcing a policy onto society that impacts and harms others negatively and then you demanding they be OK with it. 

 

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

When have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything?  

What was I wrong about here that I need to?

 

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That could be true.  Will have to wait and see what the courts decide.  All I was pointing out was he was illegally sent to a cruel prison in El Salvador. 

Except that he was not in that prison. He was being housed separately. 

 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, User said:

The point was to highlight your complete lack of empathy for the victims of the policies you want to force onto them. 

Nonsense.  The subject was not the victims of crimes.  Go back and read the OP.  The subject is the fascist type of behavior.  Because some of the illegal migrants have committed criminal offences does not give the government the right to just swoop in and sent migrants to a torture and death prison in some foreign country.  But you have shown you support it and don't respect human rights.  Now you use the argument I lack empathy for the victims of crime.  That was not the subject and you are just lying and smearing to try to get out of the mess you made for yourself.

[User]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nonsense.  The subject was not the victims of crimes.  Go back and read the OP.  The subject is the fascist type of behavior.  Because some of the illegal migrants have committed criminal offences does not give the government the right to just swoop in and sent migrants to a torture and death prison in some foreign country.  But you have shown you support it and don't respect human rights.  Now you use the argument I lack empathy for the victims of crime.  That was not the subject and you are just lying and smearing to try to get out of the mess you made for yourself.

No, you brought up empathy. You chose to make it about empathy. 

Now that it is thrown back in your face, you want to run away and ignore your own lack of empathy. 

You have shown you don't care about how many American citizens are raped, murdered, killed, or harmed by the open borders madness you support. 

 

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, User said:

No, you brought up empathy. You chose to make it about empathy. 

Yes, the subject is your lack of empathy.

"

Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia[a][b] is a Salvadoran man who was illegally[9] deported from the United States on March 15, 2025, in what the Trump administration called "an administrative error".[10] He was imprisoned without trial, initially in the Salvadoran maximum security Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), despite never having been charged with nor convicted of a crime in either country,[11][12] under the countries' agreement[13] to imprison U.S. deportees there for payment.[14] The administration has since defended the deportation, publicly accusing him of being a member of MS-13 (a U.S.-designated terrorist organization), an accusation based on a bail determination made during a 2019 immigration court proceeding, which Abrego Garcia contested.[15]

Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador and then illegally immigrated to the United States in 2011 at the age of 16 to escape gang threats. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him withholding of removal status due to the danger he faced from gang violence if he returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he lived in Maryland along with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).[16]

On April 10, 2025, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled, without dissent,[c] that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal.[19] The court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Supreme Court justice Sonia Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene."

The Supreme Court required the U.S. to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release, but stopped short of a lower court's directive to both "facilitate and effectuate" his return, instead directing the lower court to clarify what it meant by "effectuate".[20] The administration interpreted "facilitate" to mean it is not obligated to arrange his release and return,[21] and can meet its obligation by admitting him into the U.S.[21] and providing a plane[22] if El Salvador chooses to release him, which President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador refuses to do. Bukele stated in an Oval Office meeting that he would not "smuggle a terrorist into the United States".[23] The case regarding facilitating Abrego Garcia's return continues to be litigated in district court. The government has argued that the case involves state secrets, and refused various discovery requests on that basis.[24]

U.S. senator Chris Van Hollen met Abrego Garcia in El Salvador on April 18, 2025 where Abrego Garcia said he had been transferred from CECOT to another prison in El Salvador, and was being held in isolation.[25]

On June 6, 2025, the Trump administration brought Abrego Garcia back to the US, and the DOJ announced that he had been indicted in Tennessee for "conspiracy to unlawfully transport illegal aliens for financial gain" and "unlawful transportation of illegal aliens for financial gain."[26]

Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia^[a][b] is a Salvadoran man who was illegally^[9] deported from the United States on March 15, 2025, in what the Trump administration called "an administrative error".^[10] He was imprisoned without trial, initially in the Salvadoran maximum security Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), despite never having been charged with nor convicted of a crime in either country,^[11][12] under the countries' agreement^[13] to imprison U.S. deportees there for payment.^[14] The administration has since defended the deportation, publicly accusing him of being a member of MS-13 (a U.S.-designated terrorist organization), an accusation based on a bail determination made during a 2019 immigration court proceeding, which Abrego Garcia contested.^[15]

Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador and then illegally immigrated to the United States in 2011 at the age of 16 to escape gang threats. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him withholding of removal status due to the danger he faced from gang violence if he returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he lived in Maryland along with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).^[16]

On April 10, 2025, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled, without dissent,^[c] that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal.^[19] The court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Supreme Court justice Sonia Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene."

The Supreme Court required the U.S. to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release, but stopped short of a lower court's directive to both "facilitate and effectuate" his return, instead directing the lower court to clarify what it meant by "effectuate".^[20] The administration interpreted "facilitate" to mean it is not obligated to arrange his release and return,^[21] and can meet its obligation by admitting him into the U.S.^[21] and providing a plane^[22] if El Salvador chooses to release him, which President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador refuses to do. Bukele stated in an Oval Office meeting that he would not "smuggle a terrorist into the United States".^[23] The case regarding facilitating Abrego Garcia's return continues to be litigated in district court. The government has argued that the case involves state secrets, and refused various discovery requests on that basis.^[24]

U.S. senator Chris Van Hollen met Abrego Garcia in El Salvador on April 18, 2025 where Abrego Garcia said he had been transferred from CECOT to another prison in El Salvador, and was being held in isolation.^[25]

On June 6, 2025, the Trump administration brought Abrego Garcia back to the US, and the DOJ announced that he had been indicted in Tennessee for "conspiracy to unlawfully transport illegal aliens for financial gain" and "unlawful transportation of illegal aliens for financial gain."^[26]"

Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia - Wikipedia

 

^{So it is a undisputed fact that the Supreme Court ruled that he had been deported to a notorious prison in El Salvador illegally.} 

He was initially held in the notorious CECOT prison in El Salvador, but said he had been since transferred to another prison and held in solitary confinement.

What for?  He had not been convicted of any crimes.  

Edited June 8 by blackbird

[User]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, the subject is your lack of empathy.

And now the subject is yours. 

As I already pointed out, empathy is something YOU have and YOU do for others, it is no longer empathy when it is pushing policy onto everyone else that harms others. 

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

He was initially held in the notorious CECOT prison in El Salvador, but said he had been since transferred to another prison and held in solitary confinement.

What for?  He had not been convicted of any crimes.  

Ask El Salvador, he is a citizen of that country. The point is that he was not being held in CECOT once it was determined he was mistakenly sent there. 

 

[robosmith]

22 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

You do know that its due process expedited means get them out of here faster. Here is the funny thing blackbird most of these raids and stuff are happening in "sanctuary" cities all this cry baby waaaaaaah liberal nonsense is because they won't help Ice with deporting actual CRIMINALS by giving them access to the jails they have to find them themselves and if other illegals get caught up in it well you can blame those empathetic Democrats who keep proving they love criminals more than people.

Just because FOS LIES to you with ^these stories does not make them true.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Just because FOS LIES to you with ^these stories does not make them true.

Juts because YOU lie about them doesn't make them false. 

[Nationalist]

On 6/5/2025 at 7:11 PM, blackbird said:

You show your total ignorance on this topic.  Many illegal migrants were just fleeing from a dire situation in the countries they came from.  Poverty, violence, and gangs are common.  People are also threatened by gangs.  So many of these people were just trying to find a safe place for them and their families.  You would do the same thing in their situation.

That's why your comments show you just don't understand the situation of many of these people.  If you are a Christian, you should show it with a little more empathy and love for downtrodden and desperate people.  

Question: If your home needs renovations, do you hire the contractor with a good track record of doing excellent work...or a contractor with a track record of fcking things up?

[blackbird]

On 6/7/2025 at 7:43 PM, User said:

Ask El Salvador, he is a citizen of that country. The point is that he was not being held in CECOT once it was determined he was mistakenly sent there. 

Why was he and many others knowingly sent to a known human rights violation country and torture / death prison in the first place?  The Trump administration knew exactly what they were doing.  They even paid that country six million dollars to take them.

Edited Monday at 07:36 AM by blackbird