PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel

[Army Guy]

14 minutes ago, herbie said:

Well that certainly explains your attitude, They're Palestinians therefore they're all terrorists.
Doesn't matter if the mighty IDF can't subdue a country the size of a f*cking parking lot in twice the time the Nazis took to take almost all Europe. They're still doing the right way, eh?

Nice comparison....the NAZI's also killed everyone that they did not like or spoke up, funny i don't see any concentration camps pop up, or random mass shootings of civilians....

[herbie]

Yet you just admitted that's the only thing you can't see.

In a similar comparison would you acknowledge that the German's switching to the Blitaz and bombing London civilians instead of military objectives like RAF airfields was a mistake? The Brits have said so. That only hardened British resolve and led them to feel bombing civilians in return was fully justified.
Blowing the shit out of Korea and Vietnam didn't work either. Nor has it worked on the Ukraine. It turns the people against you, not their own leaders.

Obviously I don't condone Oct 7. But I'm a little sick of reading about 50 people in a school or hospital wach day and ONE terrorist leader wiped out every month year after year. And now they admit the overall plan, which they could've accomplished in a week with boots on the ground and tens of thousands fewer civilian deaths.

Surely you, claiming military skill with your very username can see that is neither supporting Hamas nor antiSemitic in any way. Loathing the leaders and the Generals of any country is not anti citizen.

[User]

43 minutes ago, herbie said:

Well that certainly explains your attitude, They're Palestinians therefore they're all terrorists.
Doesn't matter if the mighty IDF can't subdue a country the size of a f*cking parking lot in twice the time the Nazis took to take almost all Europe. They're still doing the right way, eh?

Not all of them... but certainly enough are that they voted in and cheer on their terrorist leaders and not enough to oppose them. 

So, now your big complaint is that the IDF is not being harsh enough, and you want them to kill more people?

 

[User]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Obviously I don't condone Oct 7. But I'm a little sick of reading about 50 people in a school or hospital wach day and ONE terrorist leader wiped out every month year after year.

So, you fully supported Israel going to war against Hamas, with their bombing, its just at some point you felt they should have pushed the full scale invasion sooner and pushed harder to kill Hamas so it did not drag out?

 

[Gaétan]

The number of deaths in Gaza is a lot more than the 55,000 deaths that the média says. The people in Israël are manipulated and doesn't realy know what is going on there.

[User]

19 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The number of deaths in Gaza is a lot more than the 55,000 deaths that the média says. The people in Israël are manipulated and doesn't realy know what is going on there.

What do you base any of this on?

[Army Guy]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yet you just admitted that's the only thing you can't see.

In a similar comparison would you acknowledge that the German's switching to the Blitaz and bombing London civilians instead of military objectives like RAF airfields was a mistake? The Brits have said so. That only hardened British resolve and led them to feel bombing civilians in return was fully justified.
Blowing the shit out of Korea and Vietnam didn't work either. Nor has it worked on the Ukraine. It turns the people against you, not their own leaders.

Obviously I don't condone Oct 7. But I'm a little sick of reading about 50 people in a school or hospital wach day and ONE terrorist leader wiped out every month year after year. And now they admit the overall plan, which they could've accomplished in a week with boots on the ground and tens of thousands fewer civilian deaths.

Surely you, claiming military skill with your very username can see that is neither supporting Hamas nor antiSemitic in any way. Loathing the leaders and the Generals of any country is not anti citizen.

I do believe it was a mistake one that historians have argued for decades...Many brits would tell you different story's about the effectiness of the bombings, had the nazi's had the same capacity of bombers the allied had i think the brits would be telling a much different story....ask the Germans / Japanese what they thought of allied bombing. 

Ukraine is a mere shell of what it once was , it will take decades to rebuild everything back to what it once was... 

Your forgetting fighting in europe was total warfare, killing incent civilians was done on purpose to get them to pressure their government into a surrender. In Israel conflict that is not an option....the country is following the Geneva convention and is being monitored on the ground every day by dozens or organizations...Hamas knows the Geneva convention as well and uses it to their full advantage, inflating numbers is what they do...The convention also spells out very clearly that hospitals are forbidden targets..."Unless" the enemy is using them to their own tactical advantage, then the revert back to military targets and can be bombed...most people in the world don't know about the conventions so they gasp every time a school or hospital is bombed....

Boots on the ground is very very expensive in manpower...and death tolls would be ten times higher if That's all they relied on....Israelis are using every precaution in the book plus many more to ensure the death tolls are as low as they are...you don't drop a 2000lb bomb and not kill everything in a two to 3 block radius....unless you told people to get out...

No i don't blame it on being anti Semitic, but i do blame most people not very educated on the subject, if they had read up on what is going on , with both sides not many would be supporting Hamas in any way...Israel is going to destroy these terrorist one way or another , and if that takes push all palestinians into the sea that is what is going to happen, Israel has been pushed to far...I spent 6 months in Israel/ Sinai peninsula/ Gaza, and trust me Palestinians are not the angles people think of...   

[User]

15 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Israelis are using every precaution in the book plus many more to ensure the death tolls are as low as they are...you don't drop a 2000lb bomb and not kill everything in a two to 3 block radius....unless you told people to get out...

These arguments are just a ruse. 

There is no amount of precaution that Israel can take that would ever be good enough except for the one where they just put IDF soldiers standing on the street corner to get shot and killed, where they can never shoot back. 

 

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Well that certainly explains your attitude, They're Palestinians therefore they're all terrorists.
Doesn't matter if the mighty IDF can't subdue a country the size of a f*cking parking lot in twice the time the Nazis took to take almost all Europe. They're still doing the right way, eh?

There is nothing civilized about the Palestinians. Or, for that matter, any ME country other than Israel. They're religious nutcases filled with hate and violence. Once the oil is gone they'll all be back to riding camels and raping their goats. 

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The number of deaths in Gaza is a lot more than the 55,000 deaths that the média says. The people in Israël are manipulated and doesn't realy know what is going on there.

Neither do you, Goober.

[Gaétan]

5 hours ago, User said:

What do you base any of this on?

Because it doesn't take into account of people who die from starvation, lack of médication, poor sanitary measures that make people sick and death, people wonded who die, the people lost under the rubble of houses and those who have died and have not been counted

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Neither do you, Goober.

Sure he does, he gets a daily briefing from the voices in his head.

Do the voices brief YOU? No they do not!  Bow to his superior knowledge! 

[Gaétan]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure he does, he gets a daily briefing from the voices in his head.

Do the voices brief YOU? No they do not!  Bow to his superior knowledge! 

This forum should get rid of people who are paid by agencies.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

This forum should get rid of people who are paid by agencies.

Ok, well off you go then. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Because it doesn't take into account of people who die from starvation, lack of médication, poor sanitary measures that make people sick and death, people wonded who die, the people lost under the rubble of houses and those who have died and have not been counted

Once again... what do you base any of this on?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

Once again... what do you base any of this on?

Dude go find a dumpster light it on fire and engage that in discussion. You're more likely to get a sane response. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 5/28/2025 at 5:23 PM, I am Groot said:

Well, that would be those endless parades of angry foreign Muslims in our streets screaming about how we need to kill Jews Zionists. 

There are a number of differences. First, their preferences are not reflected in government policy, and never have been or there'd be no Palestinians.

On the other hand, we saw on Oct 7 what Palestinians would do if they ever got loose in a civilized country. If you think they wouldn't do the same thing here, you're very much mistaken. They only lack the power. 

What you’re trying to say is that because Israel isn’t quite as vicious and nihilistic as Hamas it’s the good guy. Let me tell you something about tribal wars - there are no good guys. Israel isn’t as vicious because it doesn’t have to be right now. From the river to the sea was Likud’s policy from the start and Zionist policy before that. Look up their original platform. Now it is a reality. And make no mistake. Israel will not hesitate to use its fifty five year old nuclear stockpile (which America tries to ignore at every opportunity because it broke its own laws in ignoring Israel’s theft of US nuclear technology) should the need arise. 

 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 5/27/2025 at 8:24 PM, CdnFox said:

Yep. They are. 

First off they're not lobbing rockets at anyone. and second off they didnt' launch a terror attack that killed over a thousand innocents and finally they're not still holding hostages (when they're not raping or killing them). 

Now i think it's wrong for them to be doing that. But a thousand angry israelis who aren't killing anyone are acting out.. you're trying to compare that to hundreds of thousands who are actively killing people and innocent civilians. 

No comparison. 

Mate, they are actively killing people and stealing their land, openly and shamelessly backed up by the IDF to which America says nothing. If they had to fire rockets to do that they would but they don’t. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Mate, they are actively killing people and stealing their land, openly and shamelessly backed up by the IDF to which America says nothing. If they had to fire rockets to do that they would but they don’t. 

Bullshit.

Israel responds to aggression. If I'm asking the Palestinians laid down their weapons tomorrow, they would have peace and a separate nation of their own. If Israel late it's arms down tomorrow we would have a second genocide.

This has been beaten to death, and inevitably people that take your position wind up going all the way back to 1948. The choice is 100% with the Palestinians, if they choose peace Israel will give them peace. They choose not to have peace and therefore they die.

As far as the current war goes civilian deaths are what you get when you hide behind them. Hiding behind women and children and shooting at your enemy and then being angry when the enemy shoots back and hits the women and children is the worst kind of cowardly bullshit imaginable

The Palestinians can stop the dying at any moment and they choose not to.

[User]

8 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

What you’re trying to say is that because Israel isn’t quite as vicious and nihilistic as Hamas it’s the good guy.

The amount of zeal or viciousness does not make you a good or bad guy. 

That is the entire damn point of a warfighter is to be vicious and kill the enemy. 

What makes Israel the good guy is that they were all minding their own business one Holiday and Hamas invaded killing women, children, kids at a concert, raping, torturing, and taking hostages. That makes them the bad guys. Israel fighting back to end that threat makes them the good guys. 

 

[User]

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Mate, they are actively killing people and stealing their land, openly and shamelessly backed up by the IDF to which America says nothing. If they had to fire rockets to do that they would but they don’t. 

No, they are not actively killing people to steal their land. What an absurdly outlandish simpleton summation of events. 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Bullshit.

Israel responds to aggression. If I'm asking the Palestinians laid down their weapons tomorrow, they would have peace and a separate nation of their own. If Israel late it's arms down tomorrow we would have a second genocide.

This has been beaten to death, and inevitably people that take your position wind up going all the way back to 1948. The choice is 100% with the Palestinians, if they choose peace Israel will give them peace. They choose not to have peace and therefore they die.

As far as the current war goes civilian deaths are what you get when you hide behind them. Hiding behind women and children and shooting at your enemy and then being angry when the enemy shoots back and hits the women and children is the worst kind of cowardly bullshit imaginable

The Palestinians can stop the dying at any moment and they choose not to.

The statements of Israel’s current government do not support your claims. They have no intention, none, of ever allowing a Palestinian state. Read those statements. 

In the West Bank, farmers are bring driven from their land as we debate and this has been going on for decades. 
 

 

 

7 minutes ago, User said:

No, they are not actively killing people to steal their land. What an absurdly outlandish simpleton summation of events. 

 

You need to read a little more about the West Bank and what has been going on there since 1967. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

14 minutes ago, User said:

The amount of zeal or viciousness does not make you a good or bad guy. 

That is the entire damn point of a warfighter is to be vicious and kill the enemy. 

What makes Israel the good guy is that they were all minding their own business one Holiday and Hamas invaded killing women, children, kids at a concert, raping, torturing, and taking hostages. That makes them the bad guys. Israel fighting back to end that threat makes them the good guys. 

 

Minding their own business? Why am I even responding to mindless trolling on that level? I blame myself. 

To state what is obvious to most people in the world: criticizing the IDF is not the necessarily the same as supporting Hamas. We are going to see many more countries condemning Israel’s conduct. 

Edited 19 hours ago by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Minding their own business? Why am I even responding to mindless trolling on that level? I blame myself. 

You get the level of response you give. If you are so concerned with such mindless posting, take a look at the inane commentary you provided on how vicious someone is or not making them good or bad. 

So, now you think Hamas actions on October 7th were justified?

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

You need to read a little more about the West Bank and what has been going on there since 1967. 

Yeah, I am well aware of the history of the surround Arab nations wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. 

Edited 19 hours ago by User

[SpankyMcFarland]

Just now, User said:

You get the level of response you give. If you are so concerned with such mindless posting, take a look at the inane commentary you provided on how vicious someone is or not making them good or bad. 

Yeah, I am well aware of the history of the surround Arab nations wanting to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. 

Read about the West Bank.