Has Carney announced he will stop Canada's wasted foreign aid spending?

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You need me to look that up for you?  You don’t think we should spend any money on foreign aid, including on trying to stop female genital mutilation, so why would it matter to you what the results were?  

If there's no results what's the point of spending the money?

 

[Legato]

11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You need me to look that up for you?  You don’t think we should spend any money on foreign aid, including on trying to stop female genital mutilation, so why would it matter to you what the results were?  

Yes look it up, show us the concrete beneficial results. Then show us all the beneficial results garnered from the $11 billion spent.

 

 

[TreeBeard]

33 minutes ago, Legato said:

Yes look it up, show us the concrete beneficial results. Then show us all the beneficial results garnered from the $11 billion spent.

 

 

I doubt we’ve had much successes.   Too many conservative men in the world. But that doesn’t mean we stop trying.  In fact, it probably means we need to try harder and spend more. 
 

If it did work, would you be in favour of that foreign aid spending?

[CdnFox]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

I doubt we’ve had much successes.   Too many conservative men in the world. But that doesn’t mean we stop trying.  In fact, it probably means we need to try harder and spend more. 
 

 

So in other words what you're saying is we got nothing for our money.

Why in god's name would we do it when we have so many people in need in our own country that we should be helping then

Only a liberal says we've done something and it didn't work, we should do it much more

 

[Michael Hardner]

Tens of millions of so-called foreign aid go directly to Western Farmers.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Tens of millions of so-called foreign aid go directly to Western Farmers.

That's in the states

[TreeBeard]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Tens of millions of so-called foreign aid go directly to Western Farmers.

They do?  I think Canada provides the funds to foreign aid organizations to buy food, but doesn’t tie it to just Canadian farms.   

Tying it to Canadian farmers would be inefficient.  It’s better to buy the food closer to where it’s needed to avoid the expense of shipping it, among other extra costs.  

Edited Tuesday at 11:45 PM by TreeBeard

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's in the states

https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/foodgrains_bank-banque_grains.aspx?lang=eng

Food Grange charity is able to leverage donations to receive up to $25 million a year 

 

https://foodgrainsbank.ca/about-us/partnership-with-the-government-of-canada/

 

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/foodgrains_bank-banque_grains.aspx?lang=eng

Food Grange charity is able to leverage donations to receive up to $25 million a year 

 

https://foodgrainsbank.ca/about-us/partnership-with-the-government-of-canada/

 

And this organization buys the food from wherever it wants, not just Canadian farmers, if at all.  
 

It just wouldn’t be efficient.  It might not be what is needed.  Americans do it as a subsidy to their farmers. Canada chooses to be more efficient in how it spends foreign aid dollars. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:50 PM by TreeBeard

[Michael Hardner]

And that's just agriculture.

There's mining also ⛏️..

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02255189.2023.2184330

 

 

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

And this organization buys the food from wherever it wants, not just Canadian farmers, if at all.  

Okay but somebody got those millions....

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Okay but somebody got those millions....

Yeah, NGOs got the money to buy food.  The food they bought came from farms closer to where it was needed, not as a subsidy to Canadian farmers.  

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

They do?  I think Canada provides the funds to foreign aid organizations to buy food, but doesn’t tie it to just Canadian farms.   

Tying it to Canadian farmers would be inefficient.  It’s better to buy the food closer to where it’s needed to avoid the expense of shipping it, among other extra costs.  

The organization I cited was formed by Christian Western farmers, so it stands to reason. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

@TreeBeard I just read up on it. 

 

They did used to donate food directly, now they sell the food, send the money overseas and buy food on the other side. 

 

I had to read up on it. I stand corrected.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

The organization I cited was formed by Christian Western farmers, so it stands to reason. 

 

I don’t think you’re correct. 
https://foodgrainsbank.ca/about-us/members/

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

There's mining also

Yeah, the paper you linked shows why it’s a terrible idea to do this.  
 

I argue that Canadian political and especially economic objectives in Mongolia led to a mining-centred aid program that reflected Canadian priorities and interests, instead of one that prioritized the needs of Mongolians.

 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Yeah, the paper you linked shows why it’s a terrible idea to do this.  

 

I agree, but I am also trying to show that charity isn't 100% altruistic.

I suspect that those who hate helping people will rejoice at the prospect of filthy lucre arriving as a result.

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree, but I am also trying to show that charity isn't 100% altruistic.

True charity is as anonymous as possible. When you use charity to build your brand, like Oprah or a church/mosque, it's just an advertising gimmick.

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I suspect that those who hate helping people will rejoice at the prospect of filthy lucre arriving as a result.

I don't know anyone who hates "helping people", but we would all disagree on help actually looks like. 

Eg, you can't "help" Africans have good lives by giving them enough food to feed 50M for 80 years because they'll have 5,000,000 babies a year and then you still can't feed them all. That's why global hunger is a moving target. Nothing will ever be enough in a culture where having 10 babies is a survival strategy.

The most ret4rded people in NA always like to say "If Elon and Bezos gave away 10B each they could solve global hunger", not realizing that people can't eat digital dollars, and 20B$ can't buy food that doesn't exist. 

Also, bringing the 3rd world to the first world isn't helping people as much as it's ruining our own country. If people's lives suck because their culture is 99% a-holes, why should we take them in? I wouldn't bring 1 Palestinian here. When people are raised to believe that killing humans is the ebst thing that you can do, they're just not compatible with kids who grew up learning that "sharing is caring". 

 

Charity works as a stop-gap for normally self-sufficient people who run into bad luck, that's it. It's not a 100-yr solution for an entire continent. 

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Eg, you can't "help" Africans have good lives by giving them enough food to feed 50M for 80 years because they'll have 5,000,000 babies a year and then you still can't feed them all.  

Not a real scenario.

Foreign aid also includes helping with education, family planning, infrastructure. 

 

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

Are you a cheapskate goddam fascist?

You are just a commie troll.

Edited Wednesday at 01:36 AM by blackbird

[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not a real scenario.

Foreign aid also includes helping with education, family planning, infrastructure. 

 

So how many billions of dollars do you think Canada should be sending to the rest of the world?

Why don't you think there should be detailed accounting to prove what happens to any money that is sent abroad?

What about taking care of Canadians first since this is Canadian's tax money?  Shouldn't Canadians have a say on how their money is used?

Edited Wednesday at 12:59 AM by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

57 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What about taking care of Canadians first since this is Canadian's tax money?

Ask your fellow Christians who take money from the Canadian government to buy food for the great work they do in foreign aid.   Maybe those are the REAL Christians?
 

https://foodgrainsbank.ca/about-us/members/
Canadian Foodgrains Bank is a partnership of 15 church and church-based agencies working together to end global hunger. Together, our members represent nearly 30 Christian denominations made up of over 12,000 individual congregations across Canada.

Each of our members has an account at the Foodgrains Bank that they can draw from to provide food assistance during emergencies around the world and to fund programs that support families and communities in their efforts to access more and better food in the long term.

 

[Legato]

4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I doubt we’ve had much successes.   Too many conservative men in the world. But that doesn’t mean we stop trying.  In fact, it probably means we need to try harder and spend more. 
 

If it did work, would you be in favour of that foreign aid spending?

But it doesn't work, the question is moot.

[TreeBeard]

11 minutes ago, Legato said:

But it doesn't work, the question is moot.

Why is the question moot?  You scared  to answer a hypothetical question?

[Legato]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Why is the question moot?  You scared  to answer a hypothetical question?

Which part of "does not work" do you not understand.

You must be betwixt the obvious and the obvious.

[Nationalist]

LOL...and it begins.

Canadian DOGE.

You dumb fcks have all been had.

Elbows Up...Elbows Up.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not a real scenario.

Foreign aid also includes helping with education, family planning, infrastructure. 

From the school of: "If you lead the horses to water, they will drink."