The FIRST ROUND

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Why did Macron go? Why did Starmer go? Why did Carney visit Starmer and Macron? If you knew 1/10th of what you think you know about politics, you'd know that these are the symbolic meetings of heads of state, diplomatic niceties that start or signify the work that will be done by civil servants and trade ministers, etc...

 

Oh kid    LOL

Neither Starmer or Macron were just elected, which is important, and both had other reasons. Starmer for example wanted to deliver a personal invite from the king because the king wanted trump to come to him and discuss some things, which starmer successfully did and trump went and saw the king

Starmer got what he wanted. 

Macron and trump were old friends from his first term.  And europe sent him to calm donald the eff down about the ukraine.  And he ALSO got what he wanted. Donald has dropped a lot of his 'russians are the victim here" rhetoric and trump agreed that peace cant' come at the expense of ukraine and that has been an underpinning of the talks. 

So they both showed up for something specific, not just to have a visit and pick up some duty free bud light

And they were both successful. 

What did we get? Zero. Plus for some reason trump forgot Carney was even there and just started doing a normal run of the mill presser. 

 

 

[Barquentine]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So they both showed up for something specific, not just to have a visit and pick up some duty free bud light

Typical lame wrong answer as usual.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Typical lame wrong answer as usual.

Typical loser response from someone who can't actually refute the points    

Britain just got their tariffs reduced by the way

What I said was absolutely true, and it's easy to verify. They both had specific reasons to go, they both had specific things they wanted to achieve, and in both cases they were successful

Why did carney go? What was his purpose? What did he hope to achieve? Because it doesn't appear that there was any success that came out of that. Trudeau patted him on the head, blew him off when he said that Canada is not for sale, told him there's nothing you can say that would reduce tariffs and then made him sit there like a school boy while he held his presser as if he was a Dad taking his kid to work or something

So what did we achieve? What did we want to achieve? I'm not seeing anything and if you have some sort of bright idea then great let's hear it.

To me it was a mistake to go. Your first diplomatic trip as a prime minister is important.

Trump commented before he even got there that he didn't know why Carney was coming and poked fun at the fact he's running to see him (not as bad as he made fun of justin for doing the same thing but still). 

Now do you have anything intelligent to add or is your little pouting fit there your admission that you were wrong?

[eyeball]

It was about as anti-climactic as a safety meeting - nobody moved so nobody got hurt.

 

[Barquentine]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Starmer got what he wanted. 

Are you confused? Did Starmer get that deal the same day he visited? Or months later? Is the deal finalized? Or still in negotiation?

[herbie]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It was about as anti-climactic as a safety meeting - nobody moved so nobody got hurt.

But Carney showed there was an adult in the room.

Now some righteous Canuck should jam a football in Lutnik's fat mouth.

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

But Carney showed there was an adult in the room.

Didn't take much effort to do that.

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Now some righteous Canuck should jam a football in Lutnik's fat mouth.

Absolutely.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Are you confused? Did Starmer get that deal the same day he visited? Or months later? Is the deal finalized? Or still in negotiation?

You're not listening. What he wanted was for trump to come visit the king. Rather than the king coming to visit him. He got that. Handed him an invite and got the commitment. 

Then the king got a chance to set trump straight in private and now he's getting the trade deal under pretty favorable conditions.

Do we even have a date for when we're going to start negotiating? Britain and France both did, but we've been told that our tariffs are going to stay on forever.

He got what he wanted.

I know you're absolutely desperate to try and justify your argument the carney is some sort of ultimate negotiator and statesman. But so far he's falling flat. Trump patted him on the head and said what a good little boy he is, and then went about his business completely ignoring him.

We didn't build any relationships, we haven't won trump's respect, we haven't secured a date for our negotiations, we haven't got any concessions until then, and trump just slapped a 100% tariff on our movie Industries if he can figure out how to make that work and that will be crippling to two of our provinces, one of which is already in real trouble

This isn't good. And nothing you can say is going to spin it as being good.

 

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This isn't good. And nothing you can say is going to spin it as being good.

Judging by this comment the only 'good' thing in your view will be Canada's capitulation.

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Judging by this comment the only 'good' thing in your view will be Canada's capitulation.

Don't be silly, if I felt that way I would have voted for the guy   

At the end of the day we've got who we've got, but his whole stick was that he was super mega hyper talented that negotiating deals I could handle trump. That was his entire sales pitch. Now we expect results. 

And results is not what we're getting. 

If he did not anticipate the visit producing something positive he should not have gone. He's meeting with trump at the G 7 Summit shortly, appreciators working to at least put something on the table before he went down there even if all it was was a date that negotiations would begin

 

[taxme]

On 5/4/2025 at 2:02 AM, CdnFox said:

In public it will be smiles and hugs and kisses as long as carney is still kissing his butt

In private he's going to tell Connie what he wants to have happen and if Kearney gives any back talk whatsoever then the friendship is going to come to a sudden halt. To the degree with which he back talks trump will begin to speak less and less favorably of him.

So what it really is a question of is how bad is Kearney going to sell out Canada. If the two of them finish the meeting with nothing but huge smiles and handshakes basically he's turned over the keys if it is somewhat cordial but not as super friendly as it could be then there's some hope that he stood up at least a little bit. If he Sort of half smiles and just gets in the hell out of the door then he stood up for Canada at least a little bit

I'm expecting lots of smiles and warm regards and handshakes and possibly even a hug. Kearney is going to do what he can to make it look like he's handling the situation. 

Trump rules the roost here, and not Corney. No doubt Corney went home with tears in his eyes. At least i hope so. LOL.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump rules the roost here, and not Corney. No doubt Corney went home with tears in his eyes. At least i hope so. LOL.

Well he looked pretty uncomfortable 

Here's a body language expert commenting on the situation

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Now we expect results. 

Eventually, sure.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He's meeting with trump at the G 7 Summit shortly, appreciators working to at least put something on the table before he went down there even if all it was was a date that negotiations would begin

I expect about he same, a long winded tirade from Trump and lots of rolling eyes from everyone else.

[Legato]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

But Carney showed there was an adult in the room.

 

As an adult he should know it's rude to point

[Michael Hardner]

On 5/6/2025 at 2:37 AM, CdnFox said:

 

And people in the east wonder why Alberta is especially mad

That's about the dumbest thing I've ever read. And the other ones in the list are from you also so it's an achievement. 

Are you from the West? I thought Western people were smart so I think you're maybe from Toronto where I'm from. 

The NEP was in place from 1980 to 1985. And you think that's why the West is "mad" ?

 

😂

 

Come on.

..

I know there's nobody around here who talks down other parts of Canada. They talk down separatism, because it's a stupid idea 

You think that it's East versus West. I think maybe it's just a little spook that lives in online forums. 

At least I hope so. I guess I don't know for sure. 

Okay I'm going to tuck you in under your little ignore blanket... Sweet dreams.

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Michael Hardner

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Eventually, sure.

 

I kind of expect every action to produce results. That doesn't mean we're going to get closure and resolve everything right away but it does mean that everything we do should lead to the next thing.

If you go to meet with trump then it should have a purpose and you should achieve that purpose even if that purpose is just to get him to agree that we will have our people sit down together and begin to negotiations starting next month. That's not a resolution but it is a result it's moving things forward.

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I expect about he same, a long winded tirade from Trump and lots of rolling eyes from everyone else.

Then what was the point. All we've done is shown that he'll go running to trump at a moment's notice and sit there like a good boy. What did we achieve? What were we even trying to achieve? We didn't look particularly good on the world stage, There doesn't look like we forwarded that relationship at all....

Everything you do has to have a point in an end goal. Nothing is just because you felt like it. This is the absolute biggest league when it comes to negotiation and every move must be calculated with a desired effect and response that you're shooting for

I don't even know what he hoped to achieve here.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you go to meet with trump then it should have a purpose and you should achieve that purpose even if that purpose is just to get him to agree that we will have our people sit down together and begin to negotiations starting next month. That's not a resolution but it is a result it's moving things forward.

And that's pretty much exactly what happened.

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Then what was the point.

See the above.

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

All we've done is shown that he'll go running to trump at a moment's notice and sit there like a good boy.

I certainly wouldn't expect you to feel any differently.

Sometimes it's wise to keep quiet if speaking up could lead to trouble. I get the sense Vice president Dunce and Commerce Secretary Lugnuts were thinking the very same thing.  These clowns know full well how outclassed they are by Carney.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And that's pretty much exactly what happened.

No, nothing like that happened at all. But go ahead and prove I'm wrong, what day are they starting the negotiations?

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See the above.

So that thing that never happened is what you expected to happen. Absolutely nothing was the entire point of the visit?

That's a failure.

 

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I certainly wouldn't expect you to feel any differently.

No rational person would. It's kind of surprising that you're in that group in this particular instance but still here we are

 

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Sometimes it's wise to keep quiet if speaking up could lead to trouble. I get the sense Vice president Dunce and Commerce Secretary Lugnuts were thinking the very same thing.  These clowns know full well how outclassed they are by Carney.

Then don't go at all. Are you seriously suggesting he was surprised by trump being trump?

Again, he achieved nothing and walked away with nothing. It does not appear as though he had a point in going at all.

That is a failure and it does not bode well for the future. He needs to talk to some real experts and figure out how to handle this

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, nothing like that happened at all. But go ahead and prove I'm wrong, what day are they starting the negotiations?

Next month you said.

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So that thing that never happened is what you expected to happen. Absolutely nothing was the entire point of the visit?

What happened is what you said. Look even Trump said he didn't know what the point of the trip was. Why did Trump bother meeting if that's the case? Maybe he thought he better just in case there was something he was missing.

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Again, he achieved nothing and walked away with nothing. It does not appear as though he had a point in going at all.

What is it you think Trump walked away with? At least Trump made it obvious he has no points worth paying attention to. There's nothing to suggest he was about to pay attention to anything Carney might have to say.

Carney OTOH said he was on the edge of his seat. His sarcasm was sublime if not subtle.

 

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Next month you said.

 

 

I didn't say anything of the kind. 

So we're at the point where you're just lying i see. That always means one thing:  You know you're wrong and you'd rather lie than admit it.

Well it looks like we're on the same page. This was a mistake by carney.  He isn't the grand negotiator people had hoped. Which is too bad. 

Hopefully he'll learn and get better.  Because at the moment trump is outplaying  him 

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What is it you think Trump walked away with?

He showed the world Carney is on his leash, Carney comes like a dog to his master and then sits there like a good little boy while the adults talk. 

For trump that's enough. For carney that's terrible. 

[betsy]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I didn't say anything of the kind. 

So we're at the point where you're just lying i see. That always means one thing:  You know you're wrong and you'd rather lie than admit it.

Well it looks like we're on the same page. This was a mistake by carney.  He isn't the grand negotiator people had hoped. Which is too bad. 

Hopefully he'll learn and get better.  Because at the moment trump is outplaying  him 

He showed the world Carney is on his leash, Carney comes like a dog to his master and then sits there like a good little boy while the adults talk. 

For trump that's enough. For carney that's terrible. 

 

That's why Trump likes, and wanted Carney to win. 

He probably knows how Carney deals - of course, his advisers would have researched Carney.  Carney - being a CEO, would have records, a reputation among colleagues.  The conglomerates, big corporations move in a small circle.

 

Poilievre on the other hand, is a wild card.  All they know about Poilievre,  is what they see.

Edited 9 hours ago by betsy

[Barquentine]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Then the king got a chance to set trump straight in private and now he's getting the trade deal under pretty favorable conditions.

Yeah, I'm sure Trump came away from Charles a changed man, promising to be a good virtuous boy from now on. Give me a break!

Favorable? 10% tariffs on everything.

[Barquentine]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He showed the world Carney is on his leash, Carney comes like a dog to his master

Why don't you just start a podcast so everybody gets to laugh at you like we do.

[betsy]

TRUMP TEASES MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT

 

 

 

 

And here is the bombshell announcement!
The deal US made with UK!

 

The deal, which the UK government has said will save “thousands of jobs”, will see car export tariffs slashed from 27.5 per cent to 10 per cent, for a quota of 100,000 UK cars.
This, the government said, is almost the total the UK exported last year.

Mr Trump’s 25 per cent tariffs on steel will be axed entirely, while a levy on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US has been removed entirely.

In addition to this, the two governments have negotiated new reciprocal market access on beef, giving UK farmers a tariff free quota of 13,000 metric tonnes of meat.


Downing Street has also said that the US has agreed to give the UK “preferential treatment” in any further tariffs imposed as part of Section 232 investigations - a process where the US government
determines if certain imports threaten US national security.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/us-uk-trade-deal-beef-explained-trump-starmer-b2747429.html

 

Will Trump give us the same deal...........................or, was he telling Carney, "you'd wish?"

[betsy]

On 5/7/2025 at 12:44 PM, eyeball said:

Carney's struggle to keep from bursting out laughing is what stood out the most.

"I'm on the edge of my seat"...priceless!

 

 

Let's face it:  what else can he do but smile, and try to look amuse. 

It's no secret how Trump harrassed Trudeau about the 51st state! 😁 

And everyone knew what happened to Zelenski.

The world was watching!

Edited 7 hours ago by betsy