Conservatives (Canada) at the crossroads: Maga future or back to normality?

[cougar]

On 4/30/2025 at 9:09 PM, myata said:

The problem was he didn't attack enough, too little of a good thing.

As far as not attacking enough it would have made zero difference in why I did not vote for him.  If he attacked the media he would have been seen as even closer to Trump than Canadians thought; again a bad thing for him.

It would take conservatives to stop being conservatives in order to sway my vote their way.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You have low intelligence and need to use insults to make yourself feeling better while embarrassing yourself in front of everyone here.  I can't fix that.

So you f'd up and you wanted to be my fault, And to prove it you accuse me of needing to use insults while at the same time using insults by claiming I have a low intelligence

Kid. I am not the one who embarrassed himself here. Not only are you a retarded twit who can't make a cohesion point, but you lack the self-awareness necessary to realize you started off a complaint about people using insults by using insults.

Which means you're not just dumb, you're a hypocrite. Feel free to get your head out of your ass at any time

2 minutes ago, cougar said:

As far as not attacking enough it would have made zero difference in why I did not vote for him.  If he attacked the media he would have been seen as even closer to Trump than Canadians thought; again a bad thing for him.

It would take conservatives to stop being conservatives in order to sway my vote their way.

Which is fine, everybody's got their own preferences and at least I appreciate you being honest unlike most liberals who claim that they're giving us advice because they really like us to do well next time  

Not everybody's going to vote conservative.And that's okay

[myata]

Trump's U.S. is quickly becoming a dark, seriously troubled racist sh*thole place. Canadian Conservatives don't have much time to reflect and decide where they want to stand in this layout. The slide all the way to the bottom takes about a decade.

Edited May 9 by myata

[myata]

So factually CPC has about four years to grow into a full Canadian maga. Republicans were right here in early 2021. Why would anyone sane with a grain of integrity and self-respect want to go down there? Beats me.

But we know now that a) it's real and factual and b) it's quite urgent. Only a few steps down that sucking and deplorable path the slide may just become irreversible.

 

Edited May 9 by myata

[Nationalist]

On 5/1/2025 at 12:09 AM, myata said:

I've no intent to duplicate threads and discussions but this is a specific and concrete angle that is absolutely worth discussing and right now. Because for the party at least it's the watershed moment, and the consequences can and will be monumental altering the life, the position and the nature itself.

This is maga as it is and I'm quoting:

"Poilievre had his chance and he blew it. Instead of attacking and mocking the media that despised him he went meek and mild on them. PP knew that the media hated him so why go easy on them. Trump called the American media a lying and fake media and the people liked that and ate that up. PP has his own self to blame. He was just to week and wimpy for me. Canada needed a strong like leader like Trump to help save Canada". 

The problem was he didn't attack enough, too little of a good thing. The problem was, he didn't embrace full-heartedly the idea that when reality tells you something you don't want to hear you should kick it away and do more of the same. It's not you, the reality is wrong, and the adversary then: the enemy.

So that's maga and the Conservatives today have come to its threshold, and even started testing it, with a toe. Astounding vitriol from very near circles against provincial politicians even of the same ostensibly, stripe. They didn't fall in line, bend the knee and kiss the boot - how dared they! Maga. Yes, it's here. No denying it.

Conservatives have weeks and months now to make this decision and choice. And it can very well be irreversible. Nothing to guess here.

By "normal" you mean men in women's bathrooms?

Lol...your "normal" is disgusting. 

[myata]

$1.2 to 1.5$ million thrown away right after an election sounds like an abuse of the process, an insult to the citizens and disrespect of democracy. Should CPC find a more credible face to represent it, not to mention "honor" - or continue its slide into a local variant of maga? The clock is ticking on the answer.

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, myata said:

$1.2 to 1.5$ million thrown away right after an election sounds like an abuse of the process, an insult to the citizens and disrespect of democracy. Should CPC find a more credible face to represent it, not to mention "honor" - or continue its slide into a local variant of maga? The clock is ticking on the answer.

None of that is true.

And it's all certainly less than the cost of the $200 billion that the liberals are planning on borrowing and blowing  

This is how our system was designed, it was designed this way for a reason, and anybody who whines and cries about the democratic process or its costs is really just a dictator and fascist at heart. But we already knew that about you didn't, Comrad

[myata]

Here's the problem of conservative movement that often leads it to maga-style cultism. In a modern prosperous and advanced society, it fails to envision, explain and defend a social project that is inspirational and captivating. So they either embrace the general idea and thrust of progress, inclusive and compassionate society and work on some aspect of it (many countries in Europe); or invariably reduced to the role of barking, an attack dog that is necessary as oversight in the society but damages their collective psyche, where they eventually see every act as an attack on their "values" and the only point of politics in gaining the power.

Conservatives have to think about it now, because in their current state, maga isnt' that far away. And for the country as a whole, we quite urgently need a meaningful change in politics, to avoid inevitable and catastrophic polarization that is written on the wall. When and if maga wins, it's nothing short of a catastrophe for the society. And quite possibly, irreversible too.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Here's the problem of conservative movement that often leads it to maga-style cultism. In a modern prosperous and advanced society, it fails to envision, explain and defend a social project that is inspirational and captivating. So they either embrace the general idea and thrust of progress, inclusive and compassionate society and work on some aspect of it (many countries in Europe); or invariably reduced to the role of barking, an attack dog that is necessary as oversight in the society but damages their collective psyche, where they eventually see every act as an attack on their "values" and the only point of politics in gaining the power.

Conservatives have to think about it now, because in their current state, maga isnt' that far away. And for the country as a whole, we quite urgently need a meaningful change in politics, to avoid inevitable and catastrophic polarization that is written on the wall. When and if maga wins, it's nothing short of a catastrophe for the society. And quite possibly, irreversible too.

Virtually all of that is untrue.

And frankly  comparing "maga" to "AOC' i'll take maga any day. 

But there's no reason to believe it'll lead to anything like either of them. 

Conservatives are mostly interested in being left alone.  It's the freaks on the left who form cults and have the mental health issues.  We want good governance, we want gov't to stay in it's lane and not try to run people's lives, we want accountability and sustainability over time.  You don't get any of that with the left. 

[Zeitgeist]

On 5/6/2025 at 12:47 PM, myata said:

No I don't want to discredit anybody. But we cannot deny objective facts, the reality either. So what's the out, where? I think there's only one option: for CPC to look at itself, objectively and honestly; see and admit what went wrong. Understand that the path of division, rage and hate doesn't get them to any good ending, cannot do that. On that path, they will either keep losing time after time because it's a losing path. Or else, they'll become maga and cease to be a normal party. No wins, on that path. Only reason and logic.

What hate?   What statement has the CPC made that in any way goes in that direction?   Your reaction makes me think you’re under the influence of government funded media fear mongering.  Our Conservative Party is barely conservative and it is in no way hateful.  It’s a highly diverse party with a lesbian deputy.  It’s mostly about small government and a business friendly low tax, low regulation economy.  It’s as simple as that.  

[Zeitgeist]

11 hours ago, myata said:

Here's the problem of conservative movement that often leads it to maga-style cultism. In a modern prosperous and advanced society, it fails to envision, explain and defend a social project that is inspirational and captivating. So they either embrace the general idea and thrust of progress, inclusive and compassionate society and work on some aspect of it (many countries in Europe); or invariably reduced to the role of barking, an attack dog that is necessary as oversight in the society but damages their collective psyche, where they eventually see every act as an attack on their "values" and the only point of politics in gaining the power.

Conservatives have to think about it now, because in their current state, maga isnt' that far away. And for the country as a whole, we quite urgently need a meaningful change in politics, to avoid inevitable and catastrophic polarization that is written on the wall. When and if maga wins, it's nothing short of a catastrophe for the society. And quite possibly, irreversible too.

Though Trump is problematic for various reasons, credit must be given to him for putting a stop to an insane cultural revolution in the West that was judging and hiring/admitting people to jobs and higher education in the basis of race instead of merit, that was teaching kids in schools that they could pick and change their gender without concern or parental involvement, that thugs could enter the U.S. and expand the cartel without consequence, as young people died of fentanyl overdose in staggering numbers, that allowed homeless to take up residence in parks and set up encampments in the middle of downtown streets in places like Portland and San Francisco, that encouraged irresponsible government spending on ridiculous programs as the government teetered on bankruptcy.

America needed a Trump type to correct course.  I agree it has had its excesses, and the tariff scheme probably won’t have the desired effect MAGA hoped it would, though again, something needed to be done about trade imbalances and countries that freeloaded on America for defence, like Canada.

Poilievre basically wanted to see Canada in a position of strength in this new world order after nine years of irresponsible overspending, activist government that empowered forces intent on bringing down the Canadian nation state, both internationally (UN, China, US) and domestically (radical left climate, LGBTQ, and Indigenous activists to name a few), and mass immigration that has overrun our services and housing, but also run traditional Canadian founding cultures out of town.

The Canada of today is simply a less desirable place to live and work than it was a decade ago under the Conservatives.  We earn less, feel more ashamed, feel like foreigners in the cities, and feel like we as citizens aren’t capable of thinking for ourselves because we’ve been told government knows best.

A vote for the Liberals was not a vote to fix this situation but merely a vote to hear more anti-American, anti-Trump rhetoric to make us feel better about ourselves as we continue to seek concessions from the U.S. Carney isn’t lifting any regulations.  He’s promising more spending. Well he won the election, so now all we can hope for is that this guy actually does some things that correct course and bring back prosperity.  The identity politics and climate fear porn are probably here to stay under Carney. 

Edited May 12 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Canada of today is simply a less desirable place to live and work than it was a decade ago under the Conservatives.  We earn less, feel more ashamed, feel like foreigners in the cities, and feel like we as citizens aren’t capable of thinking for ourselves because we’ve been told government knows best.

You're speaking only for yourself here, remember that. We means "I" and a bunch like me. Those who have no identity, no pride in their country, who count and sweat over each peanut and trust every liar who would promise them more. And sure there're always a few around. Convicted rapist, felon and pathological liar who cannot utter a work without spilling it a needed "correction". See you're converting in real time. Come next year, gonna clap and cheer? There was much more to say but I just didn't feel like it. Meh.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, myata said:

You're speaking only for yourself here, remember that. We means "I" and a bunch like me. Those who have no identity, no pride in their country, who count and sweat over each peanut and trust every liar who would promise them more. And sure there're always a few around. Convicted rapist, felon and pathological liar who cannot utter a work without spilling it a needed "correction". See you're converting in real time. Come next year, gonna clap and cheer? There was much more to say but I just didn't feel like it. Meh.

Though I still don’t entirely understand your main point, which seems to be some kind of link between Canadian Conservatives and MAGA, who you describe in demonic terms, I would say that the challenge for Canada is that it simply refuses to assert its identity enough to justify itself as anything other than a blue state under the Liberals: The colonial English are bad.  The French Canadians are slightly better because they were conquered, but basically everything that one would call culturally Canadian since its creation as a nation state in 1867 is to be dismantled.  The French in France would never do this to their country.  We have essentially given up under the Liberals, defining ourselves now only in terms of our dependence on other powers, the welfare state, and not having an identity.  Justin Trudeau could only define Canada by saying we’re not American.  Okay, so that’s all it means to be Canadian?  Oh, and we’re paid less.

Canada has to be far more confident and assertive about itself, which means becoming much stronger in the ways that actually count: economic strength, living standards, defence, opportunity, freedom, cultural pride.  We have witnessed decline in those key metrics over the last nine years.  If you think that Canada’s problem is Donald Trump, you’ve bought into his hype and the Canadian media fear-mongering.  Canada has to have something worth fighting for that’s distinct from what America provides or we just set ourselves up for Americanization. You think the Liberals are going to assert Canada after everything they’ve done to weaken it? Trump figured that out and became a Liberal supporter because he knows they’re more likely than the Conservatives to get us ripe to become the 51st state.

Edited Monday at 08:29 PM by Zeitgeist

[Barquentine]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

we want gov't to stay in it's lane and not try to run people's lives

That's no longer the truth.

So by  'people' you mean 'white guys' 'cause the conservatives in the states sure want to tell every other group what they can and can't do. And Canadian conservatives lean that way too.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Barquentine said:

That's no longer the truth.

 

That is absolutely the truth

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So by  'people' you mean 'white guys' 'cause the conservatives in the states sure want to tell every other group what they can and can't do. And Canadian conservatives lean that way too.

There are no conservatives in the states. The states have republicans.  They are NOT the same thing.

This is Canada. I get that Mentally challenged people like yourself have a difficult time understanding that America is not Canada. You are exactly like trump, unable to understand that the border isn't just a line some guy drew many years ago.

And you are literally a member of the group that actually does do what you're accusing conservatives of, and tries to tell every other group what they should and shouldn't do. Conservatives want the opposite

And no conservatives in Canada don't lean that way at all. They actually lean exactly the opposite direction. They want less regulation, they want government to not tell them what to do.

And once again for the billions time if you have to lie to try and make a point then you don't have a very good point do you. Is there nobody on the left, like you can't find a single person on the left, who can't make a point without lying their ass off? It's all of you? You can't find anything to be truthful about?

[Barquentine]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There are no conservatives in the states.

I think you're confused with the difference between 'small c' and 'large c' conservatives.

[Legato]

13 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

That's no longer the truth.

So by  'people' you mean 'white guys' 'cause the conservatives in the states sure want to tell every other group what they can and can't do. And Canadian conservatives lean that way too.

That post deserves a long winded rebuttal to prove how wrong you are. However....

Bullshit.

[Barquentine]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And once again for the billions time if you have to lie to try and make a point then you don't have a very good point do you. Is there nobody on the left, like you can't find a single person on the left, who can't make a point without lying their ass off? It's all of you? You can't find anything to be truthful about?

Calm down, breathe... You'll do yourself a nasty...

[Barquentine]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

That post deserves a long winded rebuttal

That's what CdnFoxnetwork is for. Long-winded shite.

[Legato]

Just now, Barquentine said:

That's what CdnFoxnetwork is for. Long-winded shite.

Again with feeling......

Bullshit.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

I think you're confused with the difference between 'small c' and 'large c' conservatives.

I think you're confused with America and Canada.  They are not the same. Period.  And your efforts to conflate them are as childish as claiming that the ndp and the people's republic of china are the same because they're both socialist 

[myata]

10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

who you describe in demonic terms,

No, I describe it in entirely and factually real terms:

1. Convicted rapist

2. Multiple time convicted felon

3. A non-stop pathological liar caught in astronomical number of lies, like daily. The last one, 99% approval higher than Kim and Vlad his figures of admiration.

What of the above isn't real and "demonical"? Only an objective, factual picture. And if we cannot, have no common ground to interpret it in a similar way, what can we agree on?

Raping is good - or at least acceptable? Lying and swindling, necessary correction? Reinstate racism to advance economy? Subvert or suppress the rule of law? Install your cronies everywhere to control everything? Lying no limit only to get to and hold the power? What is the limit in this picture, what will they not do?

Well you've seen it and you knew. So it's only a choice really, free and conscious. No one made you, not a chance. You knew and you chose it.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

No, I describe it in entirely and factually real terms:

 

You describe it as though you were a brain dead hate-filled cultist with no mind of his own repeating echo chamber talking points.

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, myata said:

No, I describe it in entirely and factually real terms:

1. Convicted rapist

2. Multiple time convicted felon

3. A non-stop pathological liar caught in astronomical number of lies, like daily. The last one, 99% approval higher than Kim and Vlad his figures of admiration.

What of the above isn't real and "demonical"? Only an objective, factual picture. And if we cannot, have no common ground to interpret it in a similar way, what can we agree on?

Raping is good - or at least acceptable? Lying and swindling, necessary correction? Reinstate racism to advance economy? Subvert or suppress the rule of law? Install your cronies everywhere to control everything? Lying no limit only to get to and hold the power? What is the limit in this picture, what will they not do?

Well you've seen it and you knew. So it's only a choice really, free and conscious. No one made you, not a chance. You knew and you chose it.

Rapist in a he said she said trial with no witnesses and an all Democrat New York jury?  She made tens of millions of that dubious case.  Unfortunately the courts were highly politicized against Trump and most Americans understood that in the election.  That isn’t to say that. Trump has a highly moral character or that he hasn’t crossed the line legally in situations.  I can’t say.  The Stormy Daniel’s cases were also ridiculous.

You’ve been watching too much CNN.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Rapist in a he said she said trial with no witnesses and an all Democrat New York jury?  She made tens of millions of that dubious case.  Unfortunately the courts were highly politicized against Trump and most Americans understood that in the election.  That isn’t to say that. Trump has a highly moral character or that he hasn’t crossed the line legally in situations.  I can’t say.  The Stormy Daniel’s cases were also ridiculous.

You’ve been watching too much CNN.

Not exactly true.

He was never ever convicted of rape, or even charged with rape.  Not criminally nor civilly. That's a lie the left often likes to repeat but that never happened. 

And he wasn't convicted of multiple felony crimes, he was convicted of the same crime with multiple counts which is very different. And it was a charge that was totally concocted to go after trump. Nobody has ever been charged with it before like that. Which is why nobody cared. 

Don't let the left lie like that.  Trump was found innocent of rape in a civil trial where the proof required is even lower than a criminal trial.  He was found to be financially liable for sexual abuse but not rape.