Army Guy Posted Wednesday at 06:07 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:07 PM 14 hours ago, herbie said: Like it or not, believe it or not most people thought the threat to our county superceded their everyday grievances and most of them decided Carney was the best choice. Borne out by the migration of votes from the NDP and BQ. Crying for change as loud as you can isn't going to work if it's not decidedly change for the better. And the center and the left said Carney was enough change for them. Live with it. Time to cooperate and not just complain. There was never any viable threat to our nation. be in militarily or economic, just some windbag making noises and it seems a lot of canadians wetting themselves and fell for all of it, and Carney took advantage of that........Once the trade agreement is resigned....everything will be back to normal.... The moment everyone is waiting for is what this new agreement looks like and what we lose in the process....Carney is not going to look good, he has already made promises to quebec, etc...the best outcome would be to end all tariffs between our nations, but that would mean giving up dairy cartels, etc....but would also mean no more tariffs on lumber, oil and gas etc... I doubt very much there will be much cooperation unless it is with some of the promises they stole from the Conservatives..the country's is to divided to cooperate, thanks to our liberal brothers...I'm hoping we return to the center, and drop all these hard leftist ideas, like DEI, etc. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted Wednesday at 06:53 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:53 PM 38 minutes ago, Army Guy said: YA they did forget, as did you, somehow PP actions as you describe them, did more damage to the country than anything Justin did under Carney advisory role. The election's over man. Carney was one of many informal advisors for Trudeau during the COVID response. He was made chair of their economic growth taskforce in September of 2024, which never had a chance to do much of anything. Trying to pin Trudeau's failures on Carney was a flimsy and desperate line of attack, and Canadians didn't buy it. Time to move on. 46 minutes ago, Army Guy said: everything on your list i could give you dozens of examples of the liberals doing the exact same thing No, you can't give me dozens of examples of the Liberals promoting right-wing conspiracy theories and adopting MAGA politics for the Canadian audience. You just can't. 52 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Canadians do not vote with their heads ,but rather with tradition, or their hearts , rarely do they look at what is offer or the policies that make up their platform...Which PP beat carney hands down, "my Opinion" in fact they were so good he made them a lot his own... It's a comfy thought that you were the thoughtful ones, and nobody on the other side was, isn't it? Here's the crux of the problem for Poilievre though: Canadians DID like a lot of the CPC platform. Carney DID adopt a lot of it, and guess what happened? Canadians chose Carney as the better option to deliver on it, without the culture-war bullshit or a toxic shrill in charge. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
herbie Posted Wednesday at 07:28 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 07:28 PM 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: There was never any viable threat to our nation. be in militarily or economic Well you certainly seem blind to what everyone else saw and can see. Give up with even mentioning such absurdity as a military threat. Quote
CdnFox Posted Wednesday at 07:31 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 07:31 PM 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: Enough for him to lose an election to a party that was 20-25 points behind only a few months ago. But the party wasn't behind it all a few months ago. Justin Trudeau was behind a few months ago. Again you're making yourself look like a complete child by insisting that the polls that were taken during a no trump justin Trudeau. Is somehow exactly the same as a tariff and 51 State and Carney circumstance. I mean you might as well announce to the world that you owe absolutely nothing about politics or that you're dishonest as hell We want to do apples to apples as soon as carney took over in the campaign started he sort up to being 12 to 15 points ahead of the CPC according to a number of the polls. So this is really a story about how he came back against a 12-point deficit and managed to damn near break even 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: It is quite simple. Poilievre has -20% net favorability. ~60% of the country can't stand him, and that number's remained steady for as long as he's been around And yet they vote for him. In fact they vote for him almost as much as they vote for Carney. Even worse he was closing the gap, if there had been yet another week to that campaign you to beat Carney I don't really give a crap whether people like him or not, but they are prepared to vote for him and every bit as much as the liberals. And that's when the liberals are borrowing every vote they can get from the NDP and the block and even the greens So say what you like, more people are prepared to vote for him on a regular basis than carne as a liberals 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: I hope that thought comforts you in the coming years. I'm sure it will. And I'm sure that when he wins the next election is going to make you absolutely mentally crazy that I was right all along and you were wrong. Which is weird because you really should be getting used to that by now Anything can happen and for sure carney is not the kind of person who is going to be satisfied with anything less than a majority. The first opportunity he sees where he thinks he has an advantage he is going to jump back into the election Fray and try and take a majority and he'll get to call the timing on that most likely. But I'm quite satisfied with our performance in this election and I think carney is going to have a difficult time duplicating his. I think it'll have an easier time trying to talk four NDP into crossing the floors to give him a majority than win one in the next election 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
blackbird Posted Wednesday at 07:40 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 07:40 PM All we have to do is look at the title and who posted it to know it is worthless and contributes nothing to serious discussion. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted Wednesday at 09:40 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 09:40 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: The election's over man. Carney was one of many informal advisors for Trudeau during the COVID response. He was made chair of their economic growth taskforce in September of 2024, which never had a chance to do much of anything. Trying to pin Trudeau's failures on Carney was a flimsy and desperate line of attack, and Canadians didn't buy it. Time to move on. No, you can't give me dozens of examples of the Liberals promoting right-wing conspiracy theories and adopting MAGA politics for the Canadian audience. You just can't. It's a comfy thought that you were the thoughtful ones, and nobody on the other side was, isn't it? Here's the crux of the problem for Poilievre though: Canadians DID like a lot of the CPC platform. Carney DID adopt a lot of it, and guess what happened? Canadians chose Carney as the better option to deliver on it, without the culture-war bullshit or a toxic shrill in charge. Yes it is for a while any ways....Yes Carney was an advisor period end of story....He put it in his resume, not me...And your twisting me words around , thats not what i said but don't pretend carney did not have a role to play... Again twisting my words around, liberals have a long laundry list of left wing conspiracies, and adopting DEI,climate change politics....playing on fear is their go to.... I don't give much thought to the other side to be honest, as the left don't give a shit about any side other than themselves. ...it has been this way for years. Crux of the problem is Canadians gave the liberals another 4 year term, after everything they did to mess the country up...pretending Carney is going to fix it, when he was part of the problem ...is insane...You and everyone that voted for carney should read his book, and then tell me if you made the right choice....I personally don't like his policies, along with millions of other canadians.... Edited Wednesday at 09:41 PM by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted Wednesday at 09:50 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 09:50 PM 2 hours ago, herbie said: Well you certainly seem blind to what everyone else saw and can see. Give up with even mentioning such absurdity as a military threat. what he has put a few tariffs on us , that is what got you afraid...., is that some kind of major attack, look stop hiding under the bed, Trump objective is to renegotiate NAFTA, or whatever it is call today...which he see's as unfair, and to be honest both nations have tariffs on each other for a long time.... up until recently each province had larger tariffs on each other....worth hundreds of bils we can't even trade amongst ourselves fairly....and today there is only 3 provinces that decided to drop tariffs.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted yesterday at 02:10 PM Report Posted yesterday at 02:10 PM (edited) 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes it is for a while any ways....Yes Carney was an advisor period end of story....He put it in his resume, not me...And your twisting me words around , thats not what i said but don't pretend carney did not have a role to play... Sorry, but nobody's twisting your words. You've just brought up the damage Trudeau did "under Carney", as if Justin was dancing to his tune, or something. Give me a break. 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: You and everyone that voted for carney should read his book, and then tell me if you made the right choice....I personally don't like his policies, along with millions of other canadians.... Are we to believe that you read his book? 🙄 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: I don't give much thought to the other side to be honest, as the left don't give a shit about any side other than themselves. ...it has been this way for years. Yes, we know. That's called blind partisanship. You view everything as an all-or-nothing battle of Good vs Evil, and that everything the bad people (Liberals) say or do is by-default wrong in your mind, while you believe in and support basically everything the Good Guys say, regardless of how dumb it is. Edited yesterday at 02:25 PM by Moonbox 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
WestCanMan Posted yesterday at 02:43 PM Report Posted yesterday at 02:43 PM 19 hours ago, Moonbox said: The election's over man. Carney was one of many informal advisors for Trudeau during the COVID response. He was made chair of their economic growth taskforce in September of 2024, which never had a chance to do much of anything. Trying to pin Trudeau's failures on Carney was a flimsy and desperate line of attack, and Canadians didn't buy it. Time to move on. Carney was a part of Trudeau's covid fascism, he was a huge proponent of the carbon tax, and he was down with every part of our economic failure. On top of all that he's a shameless liar who openly used taxpayer money to bribe the CBC, just like Trudeau. You'd have to be utterly ret4rded to vote for a guy like that. On average, Canadians are stupid, gutless and worthless, and you're like the poster child for those things. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
ExFlyer Posted yesterday at 03:36 PM Author Report Posted yesterday at 03:36 PM 48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Carney was a part of Trudeau's covid fascism, he was a huge proponent of the carbon tax, and he was down with every part of our economic failure. On top of all that he's a shameless liar who openly used taxpayer money to bribe the CBC, just like Trudeau. You'd have to be utterly ret4rded to vote for a guy like that. On average, Canadians are stupid, gutless and worthless, and you're like the poster child for those things. He was also chosen by Harper to be Governor of Bank of Canada and Harper asked him to be Finance Minister. We will enjoy you whining for the next 4+ years LOL BTW....The Conservatives have had 3 leaders since Harper lost and all have grossly failed. Maybe the cons have a big problem, not the libs or Canadians LOL 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted yesterday at 03:41 PM Report Posted yesterday at 03:41 PM 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: He was also chosen by Harper to be Governor of Bank of Canada and Harper asked him to be Finance Minister. And he did what he was told and harper let us through the tough times. That was harper. Carney did nothing to make things better and he certainly didn't lead us through any crisis. He set the interest rates at what harper told him to and all was well And I don't recall harper ever asking him to be finance minister. The guy wasn't even a politician, he didn't even have a seat. So that seems pretty impossible to me, I'm going to need to get you to provide a source to show he invited carney to be finance minister. Because that kind of sounds like a straight up lie Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ExFlyer Posted yesterday at 03:57 PM Author Report Posted yesterday at 03:57 PM (edited) 18 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And he did what he was told and harper let us through the tough times. .... Yeah...but he was Harpers chosen man. He did as Harper wanted just as he did what Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne wanted and as Trudeau wanted. "In 2012, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper asked Carney—who was then governor of the Bank of Canada—if he would join the Conservative government as minister of finance." Harper loved Carney. LOL “On behalf of the Government of Canada I would like to offer my congratulations to Mark Carney on his appointment as Governor of the Bank of England. Harper then said, “In this time of global economic uncertainty, Governor Carney has done an admirable job in fulfilling the Bank of Canada’s mandate and has been a valued partner as the Government has worked to steer Canada away from the worst impacts of the global economic recession. As a result, Canada remains an example to the world with its strong banks, effective regulatory environment and sound economic policy. “I wish Governor Carney every success as he begins his new role on July 1, 2013.”" "Carney's actions as Governor of the Bank of Canada are said to have played a major role in helping Canada avoid the worst impacts of the 2008 financial crisis" "Canada has done more than survive this financial crisis. The country is positively thriving in it. Canadian banks are well capitalized and poised to take advantage of opportunities that American and European banks cannot seize." Where as PP was and is a zero and a life long politician with zero credentials. Edited yesterday at 04:01 PM by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted yesterday at 04:37 PM Report Posted yesterday at 04:37 PM 31 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Yeah...but he was Harpers chosen man. No, he was more like an employee that harper hired. Harper also hired poilievre. And he said that of the two poilievre was clearly an unequivocally the better choice for prime minister. Oopsie. You forgot about that right? Quote He did as Harper wanted just as he did what Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne wanted and as Trudeau wanted. No, he was advisor to Trudeau. Trudeau did what he wanted. And we've seen the results "In 2012, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper asked Carney—who was then governor of the Bank of Canada—if he would join the Conservative government as minister of finance." Harper loved Carney. LOL Quote “On behalf of the Government of Canada I would like to offer my congratulations to Mark Carney on his appointment as Governor of the Bank of England. Interesting, I wondered why you didn't post the source for this quote. So I went and looked it up Mark Carney says former prime minister Stephen Harper asked him to be finance minister | CBC News MARK CARNEY SAYS THAT. The guy who lies night and day makes that claim. So you're only source is the liar himself No wonder you didn't want to post the source Quote Where as PP was and is a zero and a life long politician with zero credentials. He has tons of credentials. And you posted quite a bit about what harper had to say about carney but you missed the most important part: He said that both men worked for him,And without a doubt Poilievre is by far and away the better choice LOL my quote beats your quote 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonbox Posted yesterday at 07:13 PM Report Posted yesterday at 07:13 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: And he did what he was told and harper let us through the tough times. That was harper. Carney did nothing to make things better and he certainly didn't lead us through any crisis. On the one hand, we have reality, where the Bank of Canada Governor attends to monetary policy independently of the government, and where Carney was judged to have done such a good job that he was recruited as the first non-Brit to run the Bank of England in 300 years. On the other hand, we have the flailing insistence of our forum's pre-eminent NEET telling us Carney had nothing to do with it. 🤡🤡🤡 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: He said that both men worked for him,And without a doubt Poilievre is by far and away the better choice ...and the fact that you think the former Conservative leader endorsing the new Conservative leader should be compelling tells us how much of a donkey you are. Edited yesterday at 07:14 PM by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CdnFox Posted yesterday at 08:54 PM Report Posted yesterday at 08:54 PM 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: On the one hand, we have reality, where the Bank of Canada Governor attends to monetary policy independently of the government, and where Carney was judged to have done such a good job that he was recruited as the first non-Brit to run the Bank of England in 300 years.On the other hand, we have the flailing insistence of our forum's pre-eminent NEET telling us Carney had nothing to do with it. I have never said carney had nothing to do with it. Go ahead and post where I said he had nothing to do with it. You can't because I've never said that. What I said was he did what he was told, and things worked out. But he never 'lead us through a crisis', that was harper. And many people have commented that his time at the bank of England was really bad. Turns out he could do the job just fine when harper was coaching him but without that it didn't go so well So on one side we've got the truth and on the other we've got....... well you. 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: ...and the fact that you think the former Conservative leader endorsing the new Conservative leader should be compelling tells us how much of a donkey you are. So when the harper says something good about carney is the absolute unbridal truth and we should believe it 100%. But when he says something less good about carney it's absolutely partisan shouldn't be believed and you're a fool for bringing it up Yeah. The fact that you couldn't see the level of hypocrisy there is one of the many reasons why you constantly wind up losing discussions here. Harper didn't have to endorse anybody. He certainly didn't have to make commentary on Kearney, he Could have just said I think poilievre is great. Or state silent it's not like he has to appear and do shows for every conservative leader .But he very specifically said that having worked with both and knowing both he knew who the best choice by far was. One of these days we have to teach you to recognize your hypocrisy before you put it in writing. How's your math lessons:? Maybe we could start after that... Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Moonbox Posted yesterday at 09:09 PM Report Posted yesterday at 09:09 PM 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I have never said carney had nothing to do with it. Go ahead and post where I said he had nothing to do with it. You can't because I've never said that. Okay sure: 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: And he did what he was told and harper let us through the tough times. That was harper. Carney did nothing to make things better and he certainly didn't lead us through any crisis. 🤡🤡🤡 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CdnFox Posted yesterday at 09:13 PM Report Posted yesterday at 09:13 PM Just now, Moonbox said: Okay sure: 🤡🤡🤡 Ummmm. What you claimed i said" Carney had nothing to do with it. What you just proved i said: Carney did nothing to make things better and he certainly didn't lead us through any crisis. So i never claimed he had nothing to do with it, i said he did nothing to make things BETTER. And that he didn't LEAD us through the crisis, Not that he had nothing to do with it LOL i always appreciate it when you take the time to prove you're a liar And apperently stupid enough to do so Carney was involved but did nothing to make things better and didn't lead us through the crisis 100 percent true, and 100 percent different than what you said LOLOLOLOL Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted yesterday at 09:38 PM Report Posted yesterday at 09:38 PM 7 hours ago, Moonbox said: Sorry, but nobody's twisting your words. You've just brought up the damage Trudeau did "under Carney", as if Justin was dancing to his tune, or something. Give me a break. Are we to believe that you read his book? 🙄 Yes, we know. That's called blind partisanship. You view everything as an all-or-nothing battle of Good vs Evil, and that everything the bad people (Liberals) say or do is by-default wrong in your mind, while you believe in and support basically everything the Good Guys say, regardless of how dumb it is. Yes you are, Why have an advisor if your going to pass on anything he advising....what was Carney job again...your being dishonest if you are trying to say that Carney did not have an effect on justins policies... you should be singing us a break... I take it you did not, you should it might give you some insight into this guy... Right....and everything carney suggested is the right direction for the country, according to you....to me it means more hardship, in most areas....I'm dumbfounded you can't see that... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted yesterday at 10:03 PM Report Posted yesterday at 10:03 PM 44 minutes ago, CdnFox said: What you just proved i said: Carney did nothing to make things better and he certainly didn't lead us through any crisis. That's exactly what I was making fun of you for, you absolute clown. I'll take the UK government being so impressed with how Carney performed that they hired him as the first non-British citizen to run the Bank of England in 300 years over the retarded yapping of an all-day internet no-life. 🤡 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CdnFox Posted 23 hours ago Report Posted 23 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Moonbox said: That's exactly what I was making fun of you for, you absolute clown. No it wasn't You claimed I said he wasn't involved. He had nothing to do with it. Once again you have to go back and try and rewrite what you wrote after the fact because you've been caught out in a lie. LOLOL honestly you make this too easy. So you lied about what I said. Obviously what I actually said didn't prove your point so you just grossly exaggerated it to try and fabricate something that sounded like you had a point. Nothing carney did other than just what he was told particularly made things significantly better. And he certainly wasn't the leader, that would have been harper followed by the late Jim Flaherty, god rest his soul. Carney wrote on their coattails and is now trying desperately to claim credit for their work. That's the truth, and because that's the truth it makes you angry. Which is why you have to lie about what I said in order to have a point Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Barquentine Posted 23 hours ago Report Posted 23 hours ago 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Trudeau's covid fascism, Yeah, well the US death rate was twice what ours was. But you think common sense was "fascism". 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: On average, Canadians are stupid, gutless and worthless Again, you're free to leave. Quote
Barquentine Posted 23 hours ago Report Posted 23 hours ago 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: And he said that of the two poilievre was clearly an unequivocally the better choice for prime minister. Of course he did. Poilievre was blowing it for the Cons and needed Harper's help. You think at that point Harper was going to endorse a Liberal, whoever it was, whatever he thought of the two guys in question? That was just Harper doing his partisan duty. If Poilievre was so great, why didn't Harper ever give him a major Cabinet post? Quote
Barquentine Posted 23 hours ago Report Posted 23 hours ago On 4/30/2025 at 4:31 PM, CdnFox said: he first opportunity he sees where he thinks he has an advantage he is going to jump back into the election Fray and try and take a majority What PM wouldn't? If he does well, in 3 years I hope he will. On 4/30/2025 at 4:31 PM, CdnFox said: talk four NDP into crossing the floors to give him a majority 5 now. That would work too, but those NDPs would have to get some sweet offers. Otherwise they have more sway with the balance of power they now hold. Nothing will happen for at least 2 years and I think Poilievre will be ousted by then. Quote
WestCanMan Posted 22 hours ago Report Posted 22 hours ago 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, well the US death rate was twice what ours was. But you think common sense was "fascism". Again, you're free to leave. Take a few more clot-shots and die, loser. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
CdnFox Posted 22 hours ago Report Posted 22 hours ago Just now, Barquentine said: What PM wouldn't? If he does well, in 3 years I hope he will. Oh I wasn't being critical, I was pointing out a simple fact. It's an advantage he has, he will have a great deal of control over when to call the next election most likely. Quote 5 now. That would work too, but those NDPs would have to get some sweet offers. Otherwise they have more sway with the balance of power they now hold. Nothing will happen for at least 2 years and I think Poilievre will be ousted by then. Well, sure but it really is starting to get pretty unlikely. And even if you had an absolute bare minimum majority in almost every session someone steps down or get sick or has to quit for some reason, it probably wouldn't be worth what it would cost to get those five to jump ship. But here he's making Elizabeth May part of his caucus possibly. She'd be stupid to do it, she'd be out the next election. Then again at her age I don't know how many more elections she has left anyway. As for the NDP, I have to think they're doing some serious soul-searching right now and realizing how Lethal it was to be the liberals yes boys. I don't imagine the party would be excited about their people crossing the floor right now it would just make them look more like liberal supporters If the new leader wants to have any chance of rebuilding the party they're going to have to make sure that whatever they do they don't just look like they're supporting liberals Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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