‘A number of people’ killed in Vancouver after driver drives into crowd at festival

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

We don’t “commit” people to “mental institutions” unless there’s a credible reason to believe they are a threat to harm themselves or others.  A free society should not be locking people up simply for being “odd”. 
 

I don't think people are locked up for simply being odd in their speaking.   

The problem today is society has abandoned the safety of law-abiding citizens and the courts constantly release repeat offenders that should be in jail or in a mental institution.   There should be no right to being out on bail or free if one is a serious danger to society.  But sadly that is not how the law works now.

The statistics are that a few dozen offenders have been arrested and released several thousand times.  The system has broken down.  

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[SpankyMcFarland]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

I don't think people are locked up for simply being odd in their speaking.   

The problem today is society has abandoned the safety of law-abiding citizens and the courts constantly release repeat offenders that should be in jail or in a mental institution.   There should be no right to being out on bail or free if one is a serious danger to society.  But sadly that is not how the law works now.

The statistics are that a few dozen offenders have been arrested and released several thousand times.  The system has broken down.  

Most offenders don’t have a treatable psychiatric illness. They’re more likely to suffer from poor impulse control than psychotic delusions. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This reminds me, years ago a met a man who receives an injection once a month for mental issues.  If he doesn't show up for the injection, the police go and get him and take him to the health unit for the injection.

I would like to see some method of drug compliance-monitoring for potentially dangerous people, eg men under forty with paranoid schizophrenia and a history of violence. In most cases it wouldn’t have to be by the police. 

[Aristides]

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Nice snuck premise, hotshot. 

Now do the Charlottesville car attack. Or any other attack that you can name where a white person attacked a minority...

Or how about you take your bullshit excuse that's always applied along political lines and shove it up your arse? 

"We can lump this attack into an political attack on conservatives, so this story is 100% about political/racial activism, but that attack was against white people, churches, people at a country music festival, or it was by a minority/immigrant so it has to be lumped into the "mental health issue" category".

Right? Can you name the example that goes against the grain? Was an attack by a white guy against a minority ever due to a mental health issue, Aristedes? Care to find me that example? 

We're up into the hundreds of churches burned, assh0le. Where's that story? And why is Rosemary Barton pretending that there were bodies of children discovered in mass graves, to continue spreading the false backstory behind the great reason for burning churches? 

Wanna know who's mentally unhealthy? Rosemary "lying b1tch" Barton, and everyone who considers her a legitimate member of the journalistic community.

So you don’t care what his police interactions were because you have already decided. I’m not making excuses for anything, to do that you would need facts to support it. So far I haven’t heard any so we will see.

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Many of the newer antipsychotic drugs are in tablet form which is fine for most patients but not for those who tend to stop taking them as they become more paranoid and violent. I know one person in another country whose life was changed for the better by going back to an injectable drug delivered by nurses at a clinic. If he didn’t turn up they came to the house.  

That's still no counter to my claim that people who need to be on anti-psychotic drugs in order to be considered safe to society are let out onto the street to take their meds at their own discretion. 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So you don’t care what his police interactions were because you have already decided. I’m not making excuses for anything, to do that you would need facts to support it. So far I haven’t heard any so we will see.

I'm making a prediction, dummy.

Every time the excuse of "mental health" is thrown out to the public, as the root cause of a mass-casualty event, the attacker is a minority, usually a blacktivist or muslim, or the victims are a conservative group.  

The mental health excuse is being shouted well in advance of the perp's passport status/race/religion for reasons that we're both aware of, but which you will plead ignorance to. 

If the Vegas shooter fired into a crowd at a rap concert we both know that "political/racial motivation" would have been the MSM consensus, not just "mental health." It would have been a terrorist attack, white supremacist attack, etc. 

 

FYI white people still form the majority of this country. By pure random chance, I'm likely to be hoisted on my own petard here, because there's more than a 50% chance that any random person here is white. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm making a prediction, dummy.

Every time the excuse of "mental health" is thrown out to the public, as the root cause of a mass-casualty event, the attacker is a minority, usually a blacktivist or muslim, or the victims are a conservative group.  

The mental health excuse is being shouted well in advance of the perp's passport status/race/religion for reasons that we're both aware of, but which you will plead ignorance to. 

If the Vegas shooter fired into a crowd at a rap concert we both know that "political/racial motivation" would have been the MSM consensus, not just "mental health." It would have been a terrorist attack, white supremacist attack, etc. 

 

FYI white people still form the majority of this country. By pure random chance, I'm likely to be hoisted on my own petard here, because there's more than a 50% chance that any random person here is white. 

So I am a dummy for not making a prediction. Considering the state of our justice system I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy hadn’t been release in spite of previous violent behaviour but I’m not going to jump to assumptions about his race or motives.

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So I am a dummy for not making a prediction. Considering the state of our justice system I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy hadn’t been release in spite of previous violent behaviour but I’m not going to jump to assumptions about his race or motives.

Just recognize what I said as a prediction, that's all.

I'm purely saying that: because the MSM is so actively disseminating evidence of this person't mental health issues before they're releasing the name, it's going to be a minority. Period. 

We're at this point in this country where the MSM is 100% politicized and devoid of integrity. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's still no counter to my claim that people who need to be on anti-psychotic drugs in order to be considered safe to society are let out onto the street to take their meds at their own discretion. 

I wouldn’t know enough to talk about what the policy should be but I’ve seen more active measures work with one person. 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I wouldn’t know enough to talk about what the policy should be but I’ve seen more active measures work with one person. 

I 100% agree with you that "sanitariums", or whatever else you wanna call those barbaric hellholes, were not the answer. I saw some of the footage from Geraldo Rivera's exposé on a NY State sanitarium from the 1980s and it was beyond horrific. 1980s. It was like a concentration camp for the mentally disabled, but with more feces than you might imagine. 

Anyone who says "trust the science" clearly has no idea what a dark and horrible history science has. Anyone who trusts vaccines has never heard of the Tuskegee Experiment, or the covid vaccines. 

But I honestly think that now, in an age where transparency in mental institutions can be far greater than ever before, we can once again put public safety ahead of the freedom of dangerous people. 

I fully believe that modern facilities would be far better for people with mental health issues than life on Hastings Street. 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

This kind of event is a result of the inadequate mental health involuntary care in Canada and the liberal laws that enable catch and release and giving priority over the freedom of individuals even with mental problems over the safety of society.

You won't find the BC Psychiatric Association blaming this inadequacy on left wing catch and release priorities, voting woke or even atheistic Marxism. So it must be something else.

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[SpankyMcFarland]

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I 100% agree with you that "sanitariums", or whatever else you wanna call those barbaric hellholes, were not the answer. I saw some of the footage from Geraldo Rivera's exposé on a NY State sanitarium from the 1980s and it was beyond horrific. 1980s. It was like a concentration camp for the mentally disabled, but with more feces than you might imagine. 

Anyone who says "trust the science" clearly has no idea what a dark and horrible history science has. Anyone who trusts vaccines has never heard of the Tuskegee Experiment, or the covid vaccines. 

But I honestly think that now, in an age where transparency in mental institutions can be far greater than ever before, we can once again put public safety ahead of the freedom of dangerous people. 

I fully believe that modern facilities would be far better for people with mental health issues than life on Hastings Street. 

The old asylum system is long gone and nobody wants to see it back. What we need is a lot more psychiatric beds. The question is, are we willing to pay for them? 

[blackbird]

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You won't find the BC Psychiatric Association blaming this inadequacy on left wing catch and release priorities, voting woke or even atheistic Marxism. So it must be something else.

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Some people can't just be cured by waving a wand or giving them a prescription. 

There are many cases of mentally ill murderers who have been designated as dangerous many years after their crimes.  What has psychiatry done for them?  Not much.   Psychiatry is a very subjective or doubtful profession.

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The old asylum system is long gone and nobody wants to see it back. What we need is a lot more psychiatric beds. The question is, are we willing to pay for them? 

The question is, are we paying for them either way?

There's a cost associated with the crime of a large homeless population, homeless shelters and meal provision, overworked ambulances drivers, crammed ER's, lost tax revenue from tent cities in front of businesses, lost property tax revenue from the lowered values of downtown condos, overworked police, lost tourism dollars, etc.

If downtown Vancouver had less homeless people and less crime then it would be a more desirable destination for people to live and visit.

It's current reputation is still largely based on its former glory: Vancouver gets dirtier and uglier every year, to the point where it's really depressing now.  

So, while there's a cost associated with better care for people with mental health issues, there's also a huge cost associated with doing nothing, imo. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You won't find the BC Psychiatric Association blaming this inadequacy on left wing catch and release priorities, voting woke or even atheistic Marxism. So it must be something else.

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Do you have any evidence this guy needed a psychiatric bed

Oh no you don't, you're just once again desperate to blame the perpetrator and claim that the victims had it coming because 1948

[CITIZEN_2015]

Another mentally ill criminal committing violent crime this time mass murder.

According to eyeball, send him to hospital at taxpayers' cost the families of victims have to pay for his free food and treatment. Leftists' justice at work.

Edited 6 hours ago by CITIZEN_2015

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Psychiatry is a very subjective or doubtful profession.

Some of the psychiatric science of 30 years ago is ow quackery. 

Some of the psychiatric science of today will be considered quackery in 30 years.

Some psychiatrists call other psychiatrists quacks today, and maybe they're both right sometimes.

Who knows, some of it might come full circle and change sides again. 

 

I get that there is a lot of knowledge out there, and there is no doubt constant progress, but I think that times change and psychiatry is always changing.

Two things spring to mind:

1. life changes constantly, and I think that the kids of today, whose minds were formed while playing iPads instead of hunting frogs, are probably quite different from the kids of 80 years ago
2. the philosophy of legalizing drugs but getting users more involved in society so that their dependency lessened, which allegedly worked in Portugal 20 years ago, probably doesn't work anymore in the age of fentanyl. 

I'm no expert so I'll shut up now, but long story short, I consider psychiatry a thoroughly inexact "science". And I understand that's just a layman's opinion.  

[CdnFox]

Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Another mentally ill criminal committing violent crime this time mass murder.

 

Probably. There's a tiny bit of doubt as to whether or not he actually intended to commit a crime. I'm sure we'll find out in the coming days

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According to eyeball, send him to hospital at taxpayers cost the families of victims have to pay for his free food and treatment. Leftists; justice at work.

LOL well you forgot the part where we have to release him to do it again tomorrow night out of "Compassion"

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

So you don’t care what his police interactions were because you have already decided. I’m not making excuses for anything, to do that you would need facts to support it. So far I haven’t heard any so we will see.

One more thing about this, which I'm sure you're not aware of, is that our long-term memories are formed by the emotionally charged events in our lives, which means that it's imperative for your news org to quickly attach their narratives to the most emotional stories you see, corrections to come later, when they're no longer important.

That's why an attack can often be instantly understood to have been "CONDUCTED BY ALT-RIGHT, WHITE SUPREMACIST RACISTS!!!!!", based on a 13-yr old FB post, but no one who ever committed a recent mass-casualty atrocity recently has ever had a manifesto or any unseemly FB posts, according to the Dems and the groups that they control. 

A guy can yell praises to allah while killing gays and then accredit his killings to islamic state while talking to police, and CNN and CBC willcontinue to distance the attack from islamic terrorism for as long as humanly possibly (lone wolf attack by a crazy with GUNZ), while shrieking "THIS IS A GUN-CONTROL ISSUE AND NOTHING ELSE!" Honest to God, they even tried to turn the NYC van attack by muslims into a gun-control issue. 

CNN: "Lie, lie, lie while emotions are high, quiet/calm corrections can come later."

When people find out conclusively that it was in fact an islamic terrorist attack two weeks later, that doesn't change things for them, because the association with "gun control" was made upon initial discovery, and that answer will always stick with them. Most people won't even remember it as 'the thing they learned about 2 weeks later'. I'm sure that when you scan your memory banks for "Pulse nightclub attack", your strongest association is "gun control". 

The Charlottesville attack featured an out-of-town driver, in car that ended up in an alley surrounded by rioters, which was attacked by a man with a bat before it sped off. If that was an antifa car that was attacked before it sped off, or a BLM car with a black girl in it that sped off, all that you ever saw would have been video of the guy hitting the car with the bat, along with the cry "This car crash was caused by a racist with a bat hitting her car!!!", but CNN et al ignored the fact that someone hit the car with a bat, shrieked "WHITE SUPREMACIST TERRORIST!", and that's what you'll feelz in yer bonez forever. 

Then CNN tried to call the Waukesha terrorist attack a "car crash", and blamed it on an alleged domestic disturbance that theoretically occurred miles away, which was not captured on camera. 

How many Christmas parades have there been in the last 100 years, and how many domestic disturbances on those same days, and how many of them resulted in a 50 pedestrian car crash? Just the one, by the guy who used that same car to run over his own girlfriend two months earlier, after he punched her in the face, and who had been posting about the Rittenhouse verdict, which came down just a few miles away, a week earlier. CNN: "Nahhhh. No connections there. This was just a "50-pedestrian car crash"." 🤣

CNN and CBC play you like a Stradivarius buddy. Your whole belief system is centred around their lies, gaslighting and disinformation. You truly have no idea if you're coming or going. 

[Aristides]

Bla Bla, Bla. None if this has happened in this case but you seem sorry it hasn't.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Bla Bla, Bla. None if this has happened in this case but you seem sorry it hasn't.

It wasn't a white guy, right? So stories about his FB from 13 years ago weren't included in the story. 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So, while there's a cost associated with better care for people with mental health issues, there's also a huge cost associated with doing nothing, imo. 

Gosh, that's just so woke....it's sad that more people can't put one and one together like that.

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Do you have any evidence this guy needed a psychiatric bed

Oh no you don't, you're just once again desperate to blame the perpetrator and claim that the victims had it coming because 1948

No I was providing evidence that left wing catch and release priorities were not to blame. Fùck off.

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Another mentally ill criminal committing violent crime this time mass murder.

According to eyeball, send him to hospital at taxpayers' cost the families of victims have to pay for his free food and treatment. Leftists' justice at work.

You can fùck off too.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Gosh, that's just so woke....it's sad that more people can't put one and one together like that.

The sad part is people like you can't put together that there's also a cost to letting people out to kill again.

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No I was providing evidence that left wing catch and release priorities were not to blame. Fùck off.

Nonsense, you've already said you're in favor of the catch and release priorities. Keeping him in jail would be so unfair to him. The death of the people around him is just the price we have to pay as a society in order to be fair and just to the poor criminals who are not responsible for themselves

I mean it's just so tragic, think of the horror that these poor murderers are going through having to live through that slaughter. I know you just wish that these whiny ignorant victims families would shut up and stop thinking about themselves all the time. It's so right wing

Edited 39 minutes ago by CdnFox