FEDERAL DEBATE SCANDAL

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

More to it than that.  Loaded questions beyond the pale, parking a truck out front as per eyeball's cite above, and aggressively taking up question time from the real journalists.

 

The questions aren't Beyond The Pale at all. That's a childish thing to say because you don't like them but in reality they are perfectly legitimate questions.

I may not care about them. You may not care about them, but then there's a lot of questions from the CBC I don't care about either and there are a lot of questions I wish the CBC would ask but they don't. So it's kind of nice to have multiple types of journalists including independent on hand to ask questions that others might not

And I absolutely love how strongly the left is coming out against freedom of speech, freedom of the press and anti-democratic repression of those rights

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

More to it than that.  Loaded questions beyond the pale, parking a truck out front as per eyeball's cite above, and aggressively taking up question time from the real journalists.

 

CBC pretended that the Freedom convoy was a sea of swastikas and confederate flags and you parroted their nonsense here Mikey 😉

Don't talk about "beyond the pale" here you silly little serial propaganda victim. 

[CouchPotato]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

CBC pretended that the Freedom convoy was a sea of swastikas and confederate flags and you parroted their nonsense here Mikey 😉

I remember the same day CBC reported that the convoy was responsible for arson, Rebel News made a simple call to the RCMP and verified that it was false and they did not suspect the convoy was involved. You would think so called qualified journalists on the govt dime could have done that themselves. It's great we have media out there like Rebel. Not to mention all the help they have given by providing lawyers to people who were unfairly charged or fined during the covid insanity.

Edited April 20 by CouchPotato

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Exactly. People who think this is normal aren't being honest.

The line of thinking is: objectivity is impossible so why even try ? Instead we'll openly and aggressively push one candidate and tell everyone the others are the same.

Shameful behaviour and we should do our best to ignore it

What's really shameful is that Levant and his crew, not to mention their audiences, would simply turn press pools, scrums and what have you into precisely what they profess to hate above all else - a politicized media that's biased towards politicians and interests they favour.

Would be authoritarians do the same thing and bring into existence the very same sort of police state they imagine they're being threatened with. When they do it though it's not just okay it's necessary.

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That is simply a lie.

Everything is a lie to you. Grow up.

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Aggressively taking up time? Gee, I hope everyone was ok, Mike.

They had four questions. Once every four years. It was not Rebel who caused the fighting there. It's all on video. They successfully sued in the two prior elections to be there, and the debate commission tried to trick them this time by telling them they could bring so many reporters while omitting that only one would be allowed to ask a question. So Rebel had their lawyers call them and they caved and gave them 4 questions. Probably because they didn't want to have to explain to a judge why they were defying a ruling for a third time.

Moreover they asked some really good questions that matter to people. Everyone is forced to pay for the CBC, but many people do not feel represented by them. The question about whether or not Jagmeet would condemn the burning of churches is relevant. CBC would never care about that issue. But a lot of Canadians do.

The questions are loaded and they purposefully take too long to ask them, loading them with barbs for the candidate they're trying to defeat.

You don't acknowledge that or the troll billboard parked outside...

Will you conceded that at least ?

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So you're still pretending that "CBC News is always legitimate - they never lie or spread disinformation - and everyone else just lies all the time!", is that it?

Nope. I'm saying right wing hysteria over media is as ridiculous as it is dangerous to a free press and the sources of information society requires to make better choices.

It's time to slap you freaks down to the same level as the National Enquirer and Mad Magazine.

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What's really shameful is that Levant and his crew, not to mention their audiences, would simply turn press pools, scrums and what have you into precisely what they profess to hate above all else - a politicized media that's biased towards politicians and interests they favour.

Would be authoritarians do the same thing and bring into existence the very same sort of police state they imagine they're being threatened with. When they do it though it's not just okay it's necessary.

Exactly.  And all the people who scream 'bias' at the CBC because of things like the expression on Rosemary Barton's face wilfully ignore these kind of tactics.

Objectivity is at a premium now.  If people obviously don't even try you should just cut them out of the conversation to save yourself the noise.

[CouchPotato]

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Rebel News is not alone. There are two pro-CBC third party campaigns registered in this election. And Canada’s largest journalism union, Unifor, has a third party campaign, too — they always do. Unifor journalists work at the CBC, CTV, the Globe and Mail and other places. Every Unifor journalist has a portion of their union dues spent on anti-Conservative campaigns. Here’s a news story about a famous Unifor campaign to get rid of Stephen Harper back in 2015: https://theglobeandmail.com/news/national/unions-set-to-launch-major-anti-harper-offensive/article26240095/…

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Have you ever seen a Unifor journalist -- at CBC, CTV, the Globe, etc. -- disclose that they are personally funding anti-Conservative campaigns?

 

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You believed what CBC told you, and I proved that your/their narrative was 100% false...

Sure, just like you proved 9/11 was an inside job.

LMAO!

[Zeitgeist]

The bottom line is that the CBC and MSM are government-funded organizations that ask softball questions because they dare not bite the hand that feeds them.  Canada is ideologically captured by parties that believe heavily in intervening in the free market, including the market of ideas.  The CBC journalists criticizing Rebel News basically said speech should be compelled.  That’s a threat to free speech and freedom of the press.

The questions you ask determine the range of possible answers.  Many if not most Canadians would indeed like to know why the government ignored the burning down of around 200 churches on the basis of an unproven assumption of mass graves, a story that the CBC irresponsibly disseminated.  

Edited April 20 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

They do when they're asked by legitimate journalists.

 

So the court has decided that they are legitimate journalists. They won that case, they are in fact legitimate journalists whether you like it or not

So if polly have wins and decides that the Toronto Star, CBC, ottawa citizen etc are fake news just because he's decided that's the case and won't allow them to attend any media events, you're fine with that right? I mean after all politicians are the ones who get to decide who is and isn't media right?

You are such an anti-democracy nut job

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Exactly.  And all the people who scream 'bias' at the CBC because of things like the expression on Rosemary Barton's face wilfully ignore these kind of tactics.

Michael this has been explained to you so many times.

The problem isn't that Rosemary Barton is bias. The problem is that Rosemary Barton is bias on the public dollar.

If Rosemary wants to start her own news agency and be as biased as she wants and collect no federal money at all then fine. Let her go to town and do whatever she wants.

But while she's collecting public money but only representing a small portion of the people in her news because of her bias then there's a problem.

Do you finally understand the simple concept or do I need to find a six year old who can explain it to you in terms you'll understand?

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The bottom line is that the CBC and MSM are government-funded organizations that ask softball questions because they dare not bite the hand that feeds them.  Canada is ideologically captured by parties that believe heavily in intervening in the free market, including the market of ideas.  The CBC journalists criticizing Rebel News basically said speech should be compelled.  That’s a threat to free speech and freedom of the press.

The questions you ask determine the range of possible answers.  Many if not most Canadians would indeed like to know why the government ignored the burning down of around 200 churches on the basis of an unproven assumption of mass graves, a story that the CBC irresponsibly disseminated.  

This is it exactly. The Independent Media is an absolutely critical part of thriving democracy. They will frequently ask questions that the mainstream media sources will not and over the years that has led to some rather startling revelations.

If they only ask questions and nobody wants to hear then they won't stay in business. and they won't stay in business echoing what the mainstream is asking. 

That means the mainstream and others are going to dislike them when they outshine them but that's the way life goes. 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

More to it than that.  Loaded questions beyond the pale, parking a truck out front as per eyeball's cite above, and aggressively taking up question time from the real journalists.

 

More balderdash.

It's bad grammar and incorrect to use the words "journalism" and "CBC" as references to each other in the same sentence.

Then you further sully the context by using the phrase "real journalists".

[WestCanMan]

Mikey and eyeball are just like the LPOC:

• They ignore questions when the answers will make them look bad, they just want to have a side-conversation that's centred around their false narratives

"The CBC is super-duper legitimate, and independent news orgs are all just liars, so they should never be allowed to ask Trudeau, Carney and Singh questions."

1. Carney's a total liar, and we know that for a fact because he has already been caught telling FOUR serious whoppers in just the last couple of months. Why would it matter if a liar asked another liar a question? The resulting answer is gonna be a lie regardless of who asks it...
2. What difference does it make if a liar asks anyone a question? That doesn't mean that it has to be answered with a lie...
3. The CBC and other legacy media outlets in Canada are famous for framing accusations as questions, such as in the famous apple-munching interview... Reporter: "People say that you're a..." Poilievre: "Who's 'they'?"

^^That^^ is a masterclass in:

• "How does a 'reporter' insert snuck premises into questions?",
• and also "How to hoist a fake news snake on his own petard when he's trying to insert snuck premises into questions".  

How can lefties sit here and act like that was an actual interview, by a legitimate reporter, and not just some biased reporter trying to get an awesome soundbite for Team Trudeau (now Team Carney)? 

How can lefties pretend that Rebel News could be any less legitimate than that guy? 

How can lefties pretend that Singh has a right to run for election in this country while refusing to answer legitimate questions that Canadians want an answer to? Our government accused Canadians of a genocide against children, and it turned out that they were passing off tree roots as dead toddlers. Why has CBC never asked that question? Why did Rosemary Barton lie about that?

[CouchPotato]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How can lefties sit here and act like that was an actual interview, by a legitimate reporter, and not just some biased reporter trying to get an awesome soundbite for Team Trudeau (now Team Carney)?

Because to them, that was not a loaded question. It's further proof to them that Pierre is somehow Trumpian. By calmly eating an apple and not agreeing with the premise of the question and explaining why, he is being aggressive to the media. Don't you see that? Trump is orange man and Poilievre is apple man. They are counterparts.

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

Because to them, that was not a loaded question. It's further proof to them that Pierre is somehow Trumpian. By calmly eating an apple and not agreeing with the premise of the question and explaining why, he is being aggressive to the media. Don't you see that? Trump is orange man and Poilievre is apple man. They are counterparts.

Insulting the media, parking a truck with a campaign sign in front of the venue, asking questions with editorial comments inserted.

If you were able to at least admit that these things are DIFFERENT then I might have hope that you are able to concede a point.

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

This is it exactly. The Independent Media is an absolutely critical part of thriving democracy. They will frequently ask questions that the mainstream media sources will not and over the years that has led to some rather startling revelations.

Rebel makes no pretense about being unbiased. It's no secret sometimes they are sensational. While I don't agree with the arrests on Menzies, he does go a little overboard in some situations. That said, since Rebel has existed, I have seen many instances where they have reported on something that the regular media ignores, until months or even years later when they are forced to do so. No one who watches only mainstream media knew about Roxham road until years after Rebel was reporting about it.

 

[CouchPotato]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Insulting the media, parking a truck with a campaign sign in front of the venue, asking questions with editorial comments inserted.

As WestCanMan has pointed out regular media asks loaded questions. As Ezra rightly points out the CBC has connections to similar campaigns. Four questions, Mike. Four questions. And you guys can't even handle it.

When you show similar outrage about how CBC smeared regular Canadians during the convoy, I will take you seriously.

Edited April 20 by CouchPotato

[CouchPotato]

Scott Reid becoming unhinged over the presence of Rebel at the debates. Wasn't he the 'beer and popcorn' guy?

 

Does anyone really believe Rosie Barton was in danger from Ezra and David and Drea?

🤣

Man, doesn't he sound so tough. You know someone is a big man when they insert 3 swear words into each sentence.

Edited April 20 by CouchPotato

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

As WestCanMan has pointed out regular media asks loaded questions. As Ezra rightly points out the CBC has connections to similar campaigns. Four questions, Mike. Four questions. And you guys can't even handle it.

When you show similar outrage about how CBC smeared regular Canadians during the convoy, I will take you seriously.

Yeah, you didn't address the van once.  I suppose that's because you would have to concede a point.

 

You seem to want to argue to win.

Not interesting...

 

 

 

[CouchPotato]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yeah, you didn't address the van once.  I suppose that's because you would have to concede a point.

I don't see how it's that relevant. Like most leftists, you seem to enjoy focusing on one point and hammering away at it. You haven't conceded that CBC asks loaded questions. I don't think a van is so terrible. You haven't presented any argument as to why four questions merits so much outrage.

Everyone here points out that Rebel asked questions people care about that no one else will ask. Everyone points out that everyone is forced to pay for media which doesn't ask those questions. We all are forced to pay for media that does not represent all of us. Everyone points out that CBC asks loaded questions. But what about the van? The van? The horror!!! Never mind the fact that the CBC tried to represent what happened at the second debate a security threat and that Rosie was in danger. The van!!!!

Maybe you can find a therapist to help you work through the trauma, Mike.

Edited April 20 by CouchPotato

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Scott Reid becoming unhinged over the presence of Rebel at the debates. Wasn't he the 'beer and popcorn' guy?

Just look at his obscenity laden tirade and then ask yourself "Geez, how could that wonderful man get kicked out?" 😂

The legacy mediat4rds were all frothing at the mouth that night. It's no wonder they got kicked out. They would have been kicked out of a dive bar in East Van for acting like that.

Scott Reid: "But Ezra egged us on, mommy 😭". Take some accountability ffs. Be Better Than Ezra 😉. 

What's even worse is that they still seem like they wanna cry the day after, and I'm not even exaggerating. That bald freak in the video in the OP actually should have taken a Xanax before he went on TV. It was embarrassing for our country. 

The PM can go on TV and call the unvaxed "racists and misogynists", and then ask Canadians if we should even be "tolerated" and that's perfectly fine with legacy media, but God forbid Rebel News asks Saint Singh a fair question... It's a national crisis!!!!!!!

Obviously they're threatened by Rebel News. They hate that people can just tell the truth on the internet for hundreds of dollars a day and generate as many views as CBC does with their billion-dollar budget. 

 

Edited April 20 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yeah, you didn't address the van once.  I suppose that's because you would have to concede a point.

 

You seem to want to argue to win.

Not interesting...

Are you waiting for CBC to get a van to admit that they're an LPOC propaganda outlet? Is that what it would take? 😂

Mikey: "OMG, Rosemary Barton, say it isn't so... Are you not perfect anymore?"

Ideally the independent media wouldn't have to resort to getting a van to show the truth to people, but the van is a reaction to the MSM's insidious bias. Every item in their news comes with a false narrative attached, and it's all woven together to slander conservatives, omit unflattering truths about the liberals, and to portray the libs as something that they're not, which is pro-Canadian.  

Do you think that anyone would be watching Rebel News if the CBC was airing the truth occasionally? F no. 

Ezra Lavant is annoying and he drones on like we're all in prison and we have no choice but listen. Even when I agree with him I can't watch him speak. It's like he has no idea how he sounds. Dave Menzies is worse. Yeah, he actually gets roughed up by cops, but he's still impossible to listen to. It's possible that he gets beaten up by cops just because of how annoying he is. 

Rebel News actually sucks. it's low-budget, long-winded, nasal, whiny, and the closest thing we get to the truth.