Liberal government's high immigration policy created housing crisis: report

[CdnFox]

Liberal's high immigration policy created housing crisis: report | Toronto Sun

Has anyone with half a brain has known all along, immigration or rather population growth in excess of our housing growth has caused the housing crisis. There is no other factor that is relevant at this point.

Now after 10 years of causing the problem they want to fix the problem

 

We make the problem, we fix the problem.  This is basically the equivalent of a glass company throwing bricks through people's windows with their business card attached. 

Edited April 15 by CdnFox

[Legato]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Liberal's high immigration policy created housing crisis: report | Toronto Sun

Has anyone with half a brain has known all along, immigration or rather population growth in excess of our housing growth has caused the housing crisis. There is no other factor that is relevant at this point.

Now after 10 years of causing the problem they want to fix the problem

 

We make the problem, we fix the problem.  This is basically the equivalent of a glass company throwing bricks through people's windows with their business card attached. 

We make the problem so that we can fix it by funneling money into companies of our choosing.

That is the Liberal way.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Liberal's high immigration policy created housing crisis: report | Toronto Sun

Has anyone with half a brain has known all along, immigration or rather population growth in excess of our housing growth has caused the housing crisis. There is no other factor that is relevant at this point.

Now after 10 years of causing the problem they want to fix the problem

We should have a public discussion about this, perhaps in the English language debate.

But, oh, sorry, Immigration is not important enough to be discussed in a national election debate.

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

We should have a public discussion about this, perhaps in the English language debate.

But, oh, sorry, Immigration is not important enough to be discussed in a national election debate.

Yeah I noticed that wasn't on the list for the english debates. In fact the list of topics very heavily favors the liberals

it includes "who's best to lead in a crisis",  who's best to handle the tariff and soverignty threat, climate change and lastly affordability  

Well it's not like we expected them to play fair. 

[herbie]

Those damn Syrians and Afghans pouring into the country and buying up all the $1,500,000 houses!

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

Those damn Syrians and Afghans pouring into the country and buying up all the $1,500,000 houses!

I take it you don't understand how immigration or math works. How shocking.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

We should have a public discussion about this, perhaps in the English language debate.

I imagine they'll talk about it, but the Orange Blob is still sucking all of the oxygen out of the room.  Poilievre has embraced and promoted the stupidification of the Conservative Party, and while he's been ranting about woke, the WEF and shouting his slogans, undecided voters couldn't help but notice the similarities with Trumpism.  

That's not a bogeyman that the media invented - it's the image that little PP has cultivated all on his own, and it was working...until it stopped.

[WestCanMan]

45 minutes ago, herbie said:

Those damn Syrians and Afghans pouring into the country and buying up all the $1,500,000 houses!

Then they use their credit cards to renovate them, increasing the value to $4.5M, like herbie used to do. 

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I imagine they'll talk about it, but the Orange Blob is still sucking all of the oxygen out of the room.  Poilievre has embraced and promoted the stupidification of the Conservative Party, and while he's been ranting about woke, the WEF and shouting his slogans, undecided voters couldn't help but notice the similarities with Trumpism.  

You mean how he and his party are pro-choice, in favour of immigration, believe in international law and want to cooperate with allies? Isn't Trumpism the opposite of that? Has he demonized minorities or immigrants? Has he spoken of how great Putin is? Has he claimed elections are stolen? Explain this 'trumpism' to me. 

Woke is an American concept. The people who can be described as woke follow American ideology and American policies. it's all pumped across the border and then put into law by the Liberals and other left wing governments. There isn't a single homegrown belief among them. From Canada being 'illegitimate' to BLM to drag queens reading to kiddies, to transgenderism, to colleges and universities full of professors completely caught up in critical race theory, intersectionality, and cultural relativism.

Why shouldn't Canadians want that removed? It's all foreign to our country. It's all very, very American. That's a natural response from all small-c conservatives who want to preserve the existing values, traditions, and order and not make changes unless proven to be better for our society.

And, in fact, Poilievre has hardly mentioned it since becoming the opposition leader. He mentions it in passing, but his focus has been on economic and fiscal issues, as well as affordability, crime, and foreign interference.

And what has really harmed him is not people turning away from him but people turning away from the NDP. At least ten points of Liberal support came from the NDP supporters terrified that Trump is coming for their wine spritzers and macadamia butter. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I imagine they'll talk about it, but the Orange Blob is still sucking all of the oxygen out of the room.  Poilievre has embraced and promoted the stupidification of the Conservative Party, and while he's been ranting about woke, the WEF and shouting his slogans, undecided voters couldn't help but notice the similarities with Trumpism.  

That's not a bogeyman that the media invented - it's the image that little PP has cultivated all on his own, and it was working...until it stopped.

Basically everything with that is wrong. I've seen you talk about politics before you're not a complete imbecile, so you're either desperate or lying to yourself for some other reason.

Poilievre has avoided almost all culture war issues or conspiracy nonsense and it's focused on the very real problems the Canadians are facing. He's proposed crime solutions, he's proposed housing solutions, he's proposed economic solutions, he's proposed aid for the elderly.

And there is absolutely no doubt looking at virtually all of the polls that if anything people are looking at him and warming up to him. Is approval rating is creeping up fairly significantly and he is radically closed the gap with Carney. And that trend has been continuing for a week now. Is polling numbers are improving. And he currently is sitting at the same point that harper won his majority at. Any other time in history this would be a majority government, but the far left is joining the liberals out of Hatred, bigotry, and a fear of trump

The fear of trump has been dying down and people are suddenly realizing that no matter what orange man does they still need a place to live and food to eat. And they're looking at the insane number of gaffes That carney is making and they are losing faith in him

Does the slogan thing way too much, there's no doubt. He's got to drop that nonsense, he does very well when he's just talking to people. Connie does very bad in debates but then again people have a low expectation for him so we'll see how it turns out

[CdnFox]

Meanwhile, this happened.

Housing starts stuck at 1970s levels, despite pop. surge, study finds | National Post

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Basically everything with that is wrong. I've seen you talk about politics before you're not a complete imbecile, so you're either desperate or lying to yourself for some other reason.

Who's desperate here?  Poilievre's campaign is the one that's flailing.  I'm trying to explain why so many Canadians dislike and distrust him, and why it looks like he could actually be losing against an incumbent government that shouldn't have even the slightest chance.  

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Poilievre has avoided almost all culture war issues or conspiracy nonsense and it's focused on the very real problems the Canadians are facing.

Right, so ranting about the WEF and globalist elites, undermining central banking and plugging crypto currencies were all focused on the "very real problems" of Canadian households?   

He avoided the culture-war nonsense while spending the last 3 years ranting about woke culture, woke policy, woke ideology, the woke criminal justice agenda and the Liberal's "radical woke agenda"?

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Poilievre has hardly mentioned it since becoming the opposition leader.

No offense, but that's utter nonsense.  He talks about it constantly.  He brings it up all over the place, and was even doing it today, in MTL:

Just read that sentence out loud to yourself... 

While the Orange Blob is playing vandal to the USA's economy, reputation and justice system, and while Canadians watch nervously, genius Poilievre is still out there ranting about radical this and woke that, and pledging to overrule the Supreme Court on criminal sentencing?  Like...WTAF!? 

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Who's desperate here?  Poilievre's campaign is the one that's flailing.  I'm trying to explain why so many Canadians dislike and distrust him,

Poilievre is at the same level of support as Harper had when he won a majority government. The difference is BQ, Green and NDP support has evaporated and gone to the Liberals out of terror that the orange man will take over. And the strange and ridiculous belief that because the Conservatives share some policies that the Trumpers do they would immediately bow, kiss Trump's feet, and hand over Canada with a smile on their faces has taken control among the Left.

Woke is not why he's losing. The Left's raw, visceral hatred of conservatism is why he's losing. And they hated and feared O'Toole, Scheer, and Harper, too. It doesn't matter how soft spoken a conservative leader is or how mild his policies are. The Left loathes conservatives. Every year more people come out of the schools and universities we've allowed to be turned into leftist indoctrination centres with more hate of conservatism and more love for big government that will do everything for them.

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

While the Orange Blob is playing vandal to the USA's economy, reputation and justice system, and while Canadians watch nervously, genius Poilievre is still out there ranting about radical this and woke that, and pledging to overrule the Supreme Court on criminal sentencing?  Like...WTAF!? 

This might surprise you, but Canadians mostly don't like mass murderers. They don't have any issue with them spending the rest of their lives in prison.

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Who's desperate here?  Poilievre's campaign is the one that's flailing. 

Well first off, no it's not. His polling is better than almost any conservative leader going back to the beginning of the CPC. At any other time his polling numbers right now would be a majority government.

He's at 38, 39 percent. Justin trudeau won his last election with 32.  He won his first majority with 39.  

And a number of polls have had the libs and cpc tied. 

In fact the problem isn't that the cpc is failing, it's that the libs and bloc are failing in the face of donald trump. And there are strong indications that the polling data is underrepresenting the cpc. We'll see if that's true. 

But there's no way you can claim it's a 'failed' campaign, it's as good or better than ANY other  prime minister in the last 25 years. 

Second you're trying to lie about why he's not winning.  Which is where the desperation comes in. 

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I'm trying to explain why so many Canadians dislike and distrust him, and why it looks like he could actually be losing against an incumbent government that shouldn't have even the slightest chance.  

You trying to lie because you are in the end of the day a liberal supporter and you will concoct any fantasy to try and support your idea that the liberals should win

And it's fine to be a liberal supporter if that's what you're all about, but it's less okay to have to lie to try and justify it.

As I pointed out previously pierre is not going on about the woke, pierre is not going on about wef, he's addressing specific policies.

It's just a lie you try and tell yourself to justify why you are voting for corruption

[Moonbox]

36 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And the strange and ridiculous belief that because the Conservatives share some policies that the Trumpers do they would immediately bow, kiss Trump's feet, and hand over Canada with a smile on their faces has taken control among the Left.

Read the room.  Does sharing policies and rhetoric style with Trump, as Canadians unify against who he is, what he's doing and what he stands for, seem like good strategy to you??

48 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It doesn't matter how soft spoken a conservative leader is or how mild his policies are. The Left loathes conservatives.

In your mind, nearly 2/3 of the electorate "loathe" the conservatives for no other reason than because they are "conservatives"?.  It has nothing to do with their policies, their rhetoric, and how much energy they spend promoting the priorities of the dumbest parts of their base?  

I mean, if you know most of the electorate doesn't like what you're doing, why do you keep running it back down the middle?  

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Poilievre is at the same level of support as Harper had when he won a majority government. The difference is BQ, Green and NDP support has evaporated and gone to the Liberals out of terror that the orange man will take over.

I guess this is what happens when conservatives can't maintain the courage of their convictions around proportional representation.

Edited April 16 by eyeball
Changed Conservatives to conservatives

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Read the room.  Does sharing policies and rhetoric style with Trump, as Canadians unify against who he is, what he's doing and what he stands for, seem like good strategy to you??

What policies? Reduce taxes? Carney's running on the same thing. Smaller government? Carney's running on the same thing. More law and order? Carney's running on the same thing.

In fact carney has stolen most of Poilievre's policies. So which policy exactly are you referring to when you say he's policies and rhetoric with trump.

This is a lie that people on the left tell themselves to try and excuse why they're voting for corruption. It's dishonest and disingenuous. If you have a legitimate problem with his policies then great go ahead and bring it up but otherwise this kind of lie is just disgusting lowbrow thinking and dishonesty at a critical point in our history

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I guess this is what happens when Conservatives can't maintain the courage of their convictions around proportional representation.

Conservatives have never supported the idea of proportional representation. Even when we won the majority of the vote but lost the elections in the last two elections the conservative party still didn't push for anything like that.

Oh. You were lying again. Yawn.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Conservatives have never supported the idea of proportional representation. Even when we won the majority of the vote but lost the elections in the last two elections the conservative party still didn't push for anything like that.

Oh. You were lying again. Yawn.

I'm sorry, I meant conservatives not Conservatives. Lots of right wingers across Canada have supported prop rep, tepidly it seems but it's there.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm sorry, I meant conservatives not Conservatives.

Oh look at you trying to rewrite what you said again when you get caught out in your bullshit. What is that, like the fifth time today or something? And it's not even 9:00 am?

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Lots of right wingers across Canada have supported prop rep, tepidly it seems but it's there.

Not lots. The absolute vast majority don't approve of it in the slightest. So what you said previously was entirely wrong and completely false. I'm sure everyone is shocked.

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Not lots. The absolute vast majority don't approve of it in the slightest.

I did say conservative support by was tepid but given some 68% of Canadians support prop rep it's safe to assume this includes lots of conservatives.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I guess this is what happens when Conservatives can't maintain the courage of their convictions around proportional representation.

Are you drunk?

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Read the room.  Does sharing policies and rhetoric style with Trump, as Canadians unify against who he is, what he's doing and what he stands for, seem like good strategy to you??

So... the Conservatives shouldn't worry themselves over budget deficits or try to protect our borders or lower immigration or fight against Chinese influence or want lower taxes and smaller government because Orange man feels the same way?

If that's the feeling of Canadians, they deserve what they will get. And they WILL get it.

Hey, I'm okay. I have no debt to speak of, a paid off mortgage, a guaranteed pension, and a seven figure investment portfolio. I'm not going to have to turn down the heat when Carney jacks up carbon taxes. I'm not going to worry about being able to afford meat, or gas for my car, and I don't need to worry about not finding work, or being repeatedly bumped back from promotions because of DEI. 

Younger people need to worry about that, not me. I still do, of course, but on behalf of others.

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

In your mind, nearly 2/3 of the electorate "loathe" the conservatives for no other reason than because they are "conservatives"?.  It has nothing to do with their policies, their rhetoric, and how much energy they spend promoting the priorities of the dumbest parts of their base?  

What they seem to want these days is mommy to take care of them. They want the government to be mommy, and to smile and pat them on the head and wipe their nose and do absolutely everything for them. That's what the left-wing parties promise. Whatever the problem in your lives, they will try to address it for you. The Conservatives instead worry about a deteriorating economy, lower GDP per person, and ballooning deficits. But a lot of Canadians don't care about that stuff. That's for tomorrow, and why should anyone care about what will happen tomorrow?

The Liberal party motto is "Give them free stuff. Borrow the money for it. And chalk up another victory." The NDP is pretty much the same. 

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

I mean, if you know most of the electorate doesn't like what you're doing, why do you keep running it back down the middle?  

Maybe the conservatives actually care about the future, about this country's economic prospects, about it's deteriorating wealth and growing ethnic, religious, racial and geographical divisions and want to do something about it.

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Are you drunk?

Nope. Are you high?

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I did say conservative support by was tepid but given some 68% of Canadians support prop rep it's safe to assume this includes lots of conservatives.

Given their hatred and political bias as stated by Frank Graves i'm really not thinking that number is worth much. 

And there's no reason to believe it includes "lots" of conservatives. 

So your claim that you made was this:  "  guess this is what happens when Conservatives can't maintain the courage of their convictions "

In fact, Conservatives have never supported it, so you tried to claim you meant conservative supporters, and there's no evidence that even half of them support it. 

So your statement was utterly bullshit as usual.  I'm sure there's conservatives out there who would consider such a system depending on the details but it is NOT a "conviction" by any stretch nor is it popular with conservatives nor is it policy of the Conservatives nor has it been suggested at a policy convention or the like. 

Now that you've been thoroughly discredited again, was there something else you wanted to be wrong about or are you good for a bit?  

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now that you've been thoroughly discredited again,

In your dreams.