Conservatives Have Taken the Lead in Federal Polls

[SpankyMcFarland]

I don’t know why the Tories haven’t shown more of this side of PP:

By contrast, the more he goes for the law and order stuff, the more he gets out the other side’s vote which is potentially much bigger.  

Underlying message I think would be better: a good man, one of us, tough when he has to be. 

Edited April 14 by SpankyMcFarland

[WestCanMan]

44 minutes ago, Dave L said:

I am 69 years old.  I first voted legally in a federal election in 1972 at the age of 17.  You don't know what you don't know.  Stop thinking you know everything, your last comment, proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, you don't.  I have listened.  I have voted for every major party in the past and the last straw for me with Conservatives was the debacle known as Brian Mulroney who I voted for twice.  Every country in the world is having problems with homeless people.  It is not a left or right problem.  PP has nothing to address those concerns.  He doesn't care if another 16000 people in BC die as a result of closing down, safe drug sites.  They are the people who realize that they have a problem so PPs big plan is to make them fend for themselves.  If you lack empathy you should not run for the job of PM of Canada.  Again I ask you to tell us the best legislation the Conservatives have ever passed. If you can't, you have no credibility and people can see that by your senseless rhetoric..

Because voting for Mulroney was worse than voting for Trudeau lol.

Sorry but you're 69 years dumb, Dave. Literally everything that you say points to credulity, lack of information, and ignorance. 

Honestly, take another look at your illiterate blurb up there and then guess how much I care about your opinion. 

Edited April 14 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

23 minutes ago, Dave L said:

In a news conference in Vaughan, Ontario, Poilievre said he refuses to undergo the security clearance process because he views it as an “oath of secrecy” put forth by the Liberal Party.

How ridiculous is that.  The only truth is he must be hiding something.  Why would we elect someone who refuses this requirement.  Oh I almost forgot, he is hoping we don't notice and would try to use the notwithstanding clause.

The reason he said that has already been explained several times by Poilievre and even Thomas Mulcaire. Look him up. You'll be surprised to find out who he is. 

"He must be hiding something" lol. You sure are informed, Dave. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What's he doing now?

 

He's working against Poilievre. He's trying to be sly about it so that it doesn't look like he's anti-conservative but it's very clear he wants Poilievre to fail

[CouchPotato]

40 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I don’t know why the Tories haven’t shown more of this side of PP:

Yeah, Harper was kind of reserved, and I think this sort of thing is important to a lot of voters. It really was a big boost for him when he sang A Little Help From My Friends with Yo Yo Ma.

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He's working against Poilievre. He's trying to be sly about it so that it doesn't look like he's anti-conservative but it's very clear he wants Poilievre to fail

How is he working against Poilievre? I didn't see it, but I don't follow Ontario politics. 

[CouchPotato]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How is he working against Poilievre? I didn't see it, but I don't follow Ontario politics. 

His campaign manager has been outspoken against Pierre. Slammed him for blowing the lead they had over the Liberals, though it was probably more that the other parties lost support. A lot of people are thinking he wants Pierre to crash and burn so he can become the leader of the party.

Edited April 15 by CouchPotato

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How is he working against Poilievre? I didn't see it, but I don't follow Ontario politics. 

He sent his campaign manager out to basically attack the hell out of PP, saying in all of the papers and everywhere he could possibly get attention that Poilievre  is utterly incompetent, and that he blew such a big lead because of campaign malpractice of the highest order and he's absolutely useless as a leader. He's claiming his recent Ontario win as proof that he's really great at politics and he knows a loser when he sees one and he thinks Poilievre is one. He's a little careful how he couches things but not much

Now it would be one thing for a conservative like Doug Ford to allow that kind of talk after an election. And in fact this guy has spoken up in the past after Erin's election and scheer's, the guy's been around a long time.

But to do it in the middle of a campaign? To do it while they still have a chance at victory? That's a deliberate attempt to sabotage a campaign.

But maybe he's acting alone, maybe he doesn't have ford's blessing right? So ford came out today and was asked about this guy's comments and basically said Poilievre should suck it up because the truth hurts. 

When his own ministers were working with the CPC and door knocking he was fairly derivative about it. When it was pointed out that one of his people supported Poilievre he replied "Well good for her" in a dismissive way. 

They're just isn't a lot of doubt. And insiders within his group who don't really approve of this have been leaking a little of the information. He went from city councilor to premier, and now he wants to go from premier to prime minister

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

His campaign manager has been outspoken against Pierre. Slammed him for blowing the lead they had over the Liberals, though it was probably more that the other parties lost support. A lot of people are thinking he wants Pierre to crash and burn so he can become the leader of the party.

What a perfect time to undermine the federal party lol. What a loser. 

We were better off when the Fords were smoking crack. 

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He went from city councilor to premier, and now he wants to go from premier to prime minister

I may just end up voting for the NDP yet 😂 Thank God I never bet anyone.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

What a perfect time to undermine the federal party lol. What a loser. 

We were better off when the Fords were smoking crack. 

I may just end up voting for the NDP yet 😂 Thank God I never bet anyone.

LOL

Well he's arguably the best option for ontario currently on the table, as is often the case sometimes you have to pick between less than ideal choices.  But yeah, i'd work pretty hard to avoid letting this guy win the leadership and if he did i'd probably stay home voting day

[Legato]

3 hours ago, Dave L said:

In a news conference in Vaughan, Ontario, Poilievre said he refuses to undergo the security clearance process because he views it as an “oath of secrecy” put forth by the Liberal Party.

How ridiculous is that.  The only truth is he must be hiding something.  Why would we elect someone who refuses this requirement.  Oh I almost forgot, he is hoping we don't notice and would try to use the notwithstanding clause.

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Yeah, Harper was kind of reserved, and I think this sort of thing is important to a lot of voters. It really was a big boost for him when he sang A Little Help From My Friends with Yo Yo Ma.

I watched an hour-long interview with Pierre & Anaida and it was really good.

I didn't know their daughter is non-verbal.  They've never mentioned it before.  In the interview he talked about how he worries who will look after her after they're gone.

He talked about how his parents lost their house in the 80's when the interest rates went way up and how much they struggled as a family.

It was a side of him I don't think many people know.

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, Dave L said:

Canada has always been great and still is.  The Liberals are partially responsible for that by passing legislation for Health Care, CPP, UI, OAS, Pharmacare, Dental Care and the list just goes on and on.  Tell us the best legislation the Conservatives ever passed. When Mulroney was PM they did such a poor job they only got 3 seats when he was defeated.  I was one of the fools who voted for him, twice.  I await your response.

 

Everyone has passed legislation for most of your list, and as far as pharmacare, dental care now your stealing the NDP contributions to Canada, these programs the liberals had no interest in until the NDP bribed them for their support...to which polls found out that under liberal management day care numbers actually shrank in size....

If it was not for the conservatives who really built this nation from scratch....in fact the first PM was a conservative, I'm sure there was lots of legislation passed there....a quick google search will give you lots, along with a long list of liberal failures, to many to list here and thats just from Justins period...

[CouchPotato]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It was a side of him I don't think many people know.

Yeah, I don't think the conservatives have really grasped how important this stuff is. Personally, I don't really care that much. I really like Pierre. I really liked Harper. I don't have to see their families. I don't have to see them hugging a cat or working at the McDonald's drivethru. I did polling back in 2009 when Harper sang that Beatles song. Right after that the calls got a lot more positive. Especially with elderly ladies. You'd hear them say things like, "I never thought much of him before, but it was so nice to see him play the piano and sing. I like him now." And I would just be sitting there thinking, "Wait that's what you like? That's what you vote for?"

[Dave L]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I don’t know why the Tories haven’t shown more of this side of PP:

By contrast, the more he goes for the law and order stuff, the more he gets out the other side’s vote which is potentially much bigger.  

Underlying message I think would be better: a good man, one of us, tough when he has to be. 

They would show more of that if he did more of it.  He doesn't.

[CouchPotato]

3 minutes ago, Dave L said:

They would show more of that if he did more of it.  He doesn't.

And you base this on....?

He seems like a really nice guy to me. I liked him well before he became party leader. Actually I think a lot of politicians, even ones I dislike a lot, are probably pretty likeable people outside of politics.

I think a lot of people prefer not to do this kind of thing because it feels phony to put your kodak moments on display.

Edited April 15 by CouchPotato

[Goddess]

44 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Yeah, I don't think the conservatives have really grasped how important this stuff is. Personally, I don't really care that much. I really like Pierre. I really liked Harper. I don't have to see their families. I don't have to see them hugging a cat or working at the McDonald's drivethru. I did polling back in 2009 when Harper sang that Beatles song. Right after that the calls got a lot more positive. Especially with elderly ladies. You'd hear them say things like, "I never thought much of him before, but it was so nice to see him play the piano and sing. I like him now." And I would just be sitting there thinking, "Wait that's what you like? That's what you vote for?"

Your points are taken, and I do agree most voters can be quite shallow.

However, in this election, I think a big part of the Liberals downfall is that they have completely and utterly lost touch with everyday, tax-paying Canadians. We want to see our politicians relate to us and our struggles on some level.

I think that's why when Carney said, "Ya, I'm an elitist globalist and that's what Canada needs right now" - it backfired.

[Dave L]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Everyone has passed legislation for most of your list, and as far as pharmacare, dental care now your stealing the NDP contributions to Canada, these programs the liberals had no interest in until the NDP bribed them for their support...to which polls found out that under liberal management day care numbers actually shrank in size....

If it was not for the conservatives who really built this nation from scratch....in fact the first PM was a conservative, I'm sure there was lots of legislation passed there....a quick google search will give you lots, along with a long list of liberal failures, to many to list here and thats just from Justins period...

John A McDonald was a member of the Liberal Conservative Party.  Think about that for a second.  You have lost all credibility with your ignorance of the facts.  The first Conservative PM was Mackenzie Bowell.  Anyone can look it up but you preferred to believe falsehoods.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Dave L said:

They would show more of that if he did more of it.  He doesn't.

He does, actually, but it's not getting coverage on the MSM, which is basically all Liberals listen to.  Polievre is eschewing the MSM and I "get" why he's doing it - they've outright lied about him and had to apologize for it.  They pooh-pooh and don't cover important things like all the Liberal Scandals and the Chinese interference.  He doesn't trust them.  He's doing small, independent interviews that you aren't going to be spoon-fed - you have to find them.

I've seen after some of the rallies, Pierre piggybacks his wife out afterwards because she's been in heels on concrete floors for hours on end. 

I think it's nice.  I think it shows his human side.

[Dave L]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Your points are taken, and I do agree most voters can be quite shallow.

However, in this election, I think a big part of the Liberals downfall is that they have completely and utterly lost touch with everyday, tax-paying Canadians. We want to see our politicians relate to us and our struggles on some level.

I think that's why when Carney said, "Ya, I'm an elitist globalist and that's what Canada needs right now" - it backfired.

Please provide a quote from source for that tidbit.

[CouchPotato]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

However, in this election, I think a big part of the Liberals downfall is that they have completely and utterly lost touch with everyday, tax-paying Canadians. We want to see our politicians relate to us and our struggles on some level.

Absolutely, and I think Pierre has actually been very relatable. He isn't as reserved as Harper. In Pierre's case it's more that he has to combat the media narrative that he is angry. I've watched a lot of parliament over the last few years. Even when he was attacking Trudeau relentlessly he never seemed angry. He is usually laughing. Trudeau was usually the one who would start losing it. He was really good at getting under Justin's skin. The only person I have ever seen on MSM who was able to give credit to Pierre for this is Tom Mulcair, who was also pretty good at roasting Trudeau.

Edited April 15 by CouchPotato

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Dave L said:

Please provide a quote from source for that tidbit.

Google is your friend.

Mark Carney admits he is an ‘elitist’ and ‘globalist’ but claims that is what Canada needs - Todayville

[Dave L]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Everyone has passed legislation for most of your list, and as far as pharmacare, dental care now your stealing the NDP contributions to Canada, these programs the liberals had no interest in until the NDP bribed them for their support...to which polls found out that under liberal management day care numbers actually shrank in size....

If it was not for the conservatives who really built this nation from scratch....in fact the first PM was a conservative, I'm sure there was lots of legislation passed there....a quick google search will give you lots, along with a long list of liberal failures, to many to list here and thats just from Justins period...

The Pharmacare and Dental Plans were already in the Liberals' play book and the NDP made it possible to accomplish.  The most important and notable  part was that the Conservatives voted against both.  Now is that right or what.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Dave L said:

The most important and notable part was that the Conservatives voted against both. 

They voted against the Liberal PLAN for them.

If you watched the HoC proceedings and not just CBC news, you'd know that.

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Yeah, Harper was kind of reserved, and I think this sort of thing is important to a lot of voters. It really was a big boost for him when he sang A Little Help From My Friends with Yo Yo Ma.

I remember it was almost his very first day in parliament and the gallery was full including with his family and during question. Someone from the liberal bench made a comment about how he dishonestly seduced the electorate.

He stood up and replied "that is absolutely nonsense! My wife is here in the gallery today and can confirm that i've never had the skills to seduce anyone in my whole life!"

LOL. He was "reserved" for sure, but he knew it and owned it