Happy “Liberation Day” aka Economic Disaster Day

[BeaverFever]

Elections have consequences  Farmers in Trump country paying the price when the guy they voted for did what he said he would do    Let us recall that in Trump’s first term his trade war hurt farming so badly Trump had to give them a big bailout  And yet they voted for him again anyway and are hoping for more bailouts  

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 01:32 PM by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Elections have consequences 

 

Says the guy voting for Carney. After 10 years of supporting Trudeau.

Sorry, your credibility on that front is zero.

Trump has done some real damage with what he's done and that's true. But you are severely over playing it and he has plenty of time to learn from his mistake correct things. Marla Harris never would have and in fact it was pretty obvious she would not have been the person in charge and we would never have known who the real president was.

So as much as this is a stumble for trump he's still better than Kamala.

And no, most analysts agree that his first trade war back when he was president before had very minimal impacts on the economy, and it did actually address the problem which was Canadian manufacturers buying Chinese Steel which America did not want to let into their country and then mix it in with their own to bypass the American Trade restriction.

There are valid criticisms to be made, you throw your entire case out the window when you make nonsense grandiose overstatements that are simply not true. There's plenty enough here to be critical of without inventing things

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Lol it’s not playing politics to criticize the epic negligence and incompetence of the Trump administration. Lest I belabour the point the US economy and therefore the world economy has now been placed under one man rule and that man knows nothing about economics, enacting policies that directly contradict all widely accepted economic theories  and is just making it up as ye goes day by day. 

You know there’s a difference between replacing established orthodoxy with a new upstart theory and what Trump is doing which is no coherent theory at all. 

And the pee-ons certainly deserve their piece of the pie but they’re trying to get it from someone who doesn’t know how to bake and doesn’t really care about them other than using them to take over the bakery Also as has been mentioned repeatedly, it was Republicans who took away the pee-on’s pie to begin with 

Well this is certainly bullshit.

All widely accepted economic theories have failed Beave. The USA can no longer carry all those nations on its back.

Besides Beave...we all know the saying "New Normal". It was tried...it failed miserably...its out.

You go "cake" and "pie" mixed up. I said they want cake. Meh...I'm not surprised that you got it a55-backwards. It appears you do that a lot.

Edited Monday at 03:44 PM by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Says the guy voting for Carney. After 10 years of supporting Trudeau.

Sorry, your credibility on that front is zero.

Uh no the Trump administration’s mismanagement of this issue outclasses Trudeau and the worst administrations of any western democracy by a country mile. As I already said this economic disaster isn’t simply a case of bad policy, poor planning, or poor policy implementation, all of which could be said about things Trudeau and other governments have done. 
 

Trump is unique in that his followers have anointed him to sit on a throne and make shit up as he goes day by day despite the fact that he clearly has no knowledge or understanding of what he’s doing and his actions contradict all understanding of economics and geopolitics. Even his own cabinet members don’t support what is happening have no idea what he’s doing or why and what will happen next, it’s government by whim of the emperor and it changes daily 

Trudeau tried novel policies some of which didn’t work out as expected or were poorly executed  but it wasn’t due to Trudeau alone making shit up every morning and changing his mind  then changing it back again day after day because he’s in a bad mood. 
 

And the fact that you try to downplay this completely self-inflicted economic and geopolitical disaster that has cost the economy trillions of dollars and the US its position as trusted global leader as some easily reversed minor misstep or hiccup is laughable. By all measures the economy was “firing on all cylinders” in 2024 under Biden and Trump has erased all of that. You have no basis to say it would have been worse under Kamala other than your own deep bias. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And no, most analysts agree that his first trade war back when he was president before had very minimal impacts on the economy

It hurt US agriculture badly and Trump provided bailouts 

 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

it did actually address the problem which was Canadian manufacturers buying Chinese Steel which America did not want to let into their country and then mix it in with their own to bypass the American Trade restriction.

That was another of Trump’s unsubstantiated claims which resulted in Canada imposing counter-tariffs. Ultimately while it created a few thousand new US steel jobs, up to 75,000 US manufacturing jobs were lost as steel prices soared and certain specialized types of steel not made in the US but still tariffed by Trump became expensive and scarce. 
 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There are valid criticisms to be made, you throw your entire case out the window when you make nonsense grandiose overstatements that are simply not true.

Like what exactly?  Be specific 

Edited Monday at 02:09 PM by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

All widely accepted economic theories have hailed Beave. The USA can no longer carry all those nations on its back.

WTF are you talking about?  

1)US doesn’t carry them on its back.

2) USA became the wealthiest and most powerful country in world history precisely because of the global economic order it created and lead, which Trump is now trying to dismantle. 
 

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Besides Beave...we all know the saying "New Normal". It was tried...it failed miserably...its out.

Huh?

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You go "cake" and "pie" mixed up. I said they want cake. Meh...I'm not surprised that you got it a55-backwards. It appears you do that a lot.

No, “let them eat cake” is a conservative mentality towards the pee-ons. Liberals believe they should get their fair slice of the pie. 

[Aristides]

54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well this is certainly bullshit.

All widely accepted economic theories have hailed Beave. The USA can no longer carry all those nations on its back.

Besides Beave...we all know the saying "New Normal". It was tried...it failed miserably...its out.

You go "cake" and "pie" mixed up. I said they want cake. Meh...I'm not surprised that you got it a55-backwards. It appears you do that a lot.

Because the USD was seen as the world reserve currency and the refuge in a storm, the US has been able to finance massive deficits and enjoy cheap stuff with an over valued dollar without facing the consequences. As countries and investors de dollarize and shun US treasury bonds because they see the US as unreliable, reality will start to hit home.

Just about every country has seen its currency rise against the USD since March including the CAD as they are being seen as more reliable. Devaluation of the USD will do more to reduce US imports than tariffs.

Edited Monday at 02:53 PM by Aristides

[robosmith]

On 4/11/2025 at 12:41 PM, Nationalist said:

https://www.industryselect.com/blog/new-us-factories-announced-in-march-2025

And that's only the beginning. 

I know you'll argue the point but...at this point it's obvious that you're simply playing politics at the expense of your own people. 

And THAT...Beave...is why there is so much support for this...ham-handed effort. 

The pee-ons you Libbies hate so much, want some cake too.

A blog citing "new US factories announced" is a LONG WAY from getting them built.

Whatever happened to the $10B Foxconn development during Trump 45. LMAO

Foxconn mostly abandons $10 billion Wisconsin project ...

CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com › 2021/04/21 › foxconn-mostly-...

 

Apr 21, 2021 — Under a deal with the state of Wisconsin announced on Tuesday, Foxconn will reduce its planned investment to $672 million from $10 billion and ...

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Uh no the Trump administration’s mismanagement of this issue outclasses Trudeau and the worst administrations of any western democracy by a country mile.

No it does not. That would still be your hatred and bigotry talking. And at this point in time Trudeau has done considerably more damage to Canada than trump has done to America.

Not to mention the fact that it is beyond childish to offer an argument that is basically I can support anybody who's bad as long as there's somebody who's slightly worse. It's the kind of argument you'd expect from a 12 year old. Even if it were true that trump was worse it doesn't change the fact that you already threw those principles in the garbage by supporting Trudeau

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As I already said this economic disaster isn’t simply a case of bad policy, poor planning, or poor policy implementation, all of which could be said about things Trudeau and other governments have done. 

Trudeau did exactly what trump is doing now to his people I did so willingly and knowingly with the intent of siphoning money into private organizations who are now paying him to do nothing but sit on their board of directors and raking cash.

Trudeau is far worse than trump. He deliberately tanked his country and doubled the debt and then walked away with full knowledge of what he was doing and with the intent of lining his own pockets. You have zero credibility in this issue

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Trump is unique in that his followers have anointed him to sit on a throne and make shit up as he goes day by day despite the fact that he clearly has no knowledge or understanding of what he’s doing and his actions contradict all understanding of economics and geopolitics. Even his own cabinet members don’t support what is happening have no idea what he’s doing or why and what will happen next, it’s government by whim of the emperor and it changes daily 

Trudeau tried novel policies some of which didn’t work out as expected or were poorly executed  but it wasn’t due to Trudeau alone making shit up every morning and changing his mind  then changing it back again day after day because he’s in a bad mood. 
 

And the fact that you try to downplay this completely self-inflicted economic and geopolitical disaster that has cost the economy trillions of dollars and the US its position as trusted global leader as some easily reversed minor misstep or hiccup is laughable. By all measures the economy was “firing on all cylinders” in 2024 under Biden and Trump has erased all of that. You have no basis to say it would have been worse under Kamala other than your own deep bias. 
 

It hurt US agriculture badly and Trump provided bailouts 

 

Sorry kiddo but that is all Justin Trudeau as well. Trudeau was anointed much like carney just was. His followers make up bullshit just like you do every single day to try and dismiss his horrible Behavior. Everything Justin did experts told him would not work and they were right just like trump.

But the big difference is trump is starting to listen to the people around him and correct. I'm not down playing anything, I said he did real damage. But it's also true that if he course corrects it will have no lasting impact. 2 years from now it will be a blip in the memory of most people. The damage Justin has done will be generational. Even if things go well from now on 10 years from now people will still be living a lower standard of life in Canada than they should have because of Justin Trudeau and the liberals who you desperately want to get back into power.

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That was another of Trump’s unsubstantiated claims which resulted in Canada imposing counter-tariffs. Ultimately while it created a few thousand new US steel jobs, up to 75,000 US manufacturing jobs were lost as steel prices soared and certain specialized types of steel not made in the US but still tariffed by Trump became expensive and scarce. 

Economists are fairly clear that it made no real impact to the American economy

I get that you have to lie to justify your emotions. It must take a lot of work. But I'm afraid that won't help you when you're talking to someone who actually is intelligent

 

Back to the issue at hand. You have absolutely zero rounds to criticize anybody who supports trump after your supporting the liberals for 10 years and continued support now. The liberals are the true maple magas. Beholden to a cult-like culture, absolutely resistant to every fact or truth that gets in the way of their talking points I'm willing to support an organization that has caused more destruction and pain to Canada than any before it. And it's fairly obvious that Kearney intends to be a bi of a  dictator when he gets in, He clearly has no intention of listening to Canadians. He's just going to do what he thinks is best for him and Canada can go screw itself. So how was your worship of him any different than an Americans worship of trump?
 

 

 

 

Like what exactly?  Be specific 

[Hodad]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Uh no the Trump administration’s mismanagement of this issue outclasses Trudeau and the worst administrations of any western democracy by a country mile. As I already said this economic disaster isn’t simply a case of bad policy, poor planning, or poor policy implementation, all of which could be said about things Trudeau and other governments have done. 
 

Trump is unique in that his followers have anointed him to sit on a throne and make shit up as he goes day by day despite the fact that he clearly has no knowledge or understanding of what he’s doing and his actions contradict all understanding of economics and geopolitics. Even his own cabinet members don’t support what is happening have no idea what he’s doing or why and what will happen next, it’s government by whim of the emperor and it changes daily 

Trudeau tried novel policies some of which didn’t work out as expected or were poorly executed  but it wasn’t due to Trudeau alone making shit up every morning and changing his mind  then changing it back again day after day because he’s in a bad mood. 
 

And the fact that you try to downplay this completely self-inflicted economic and geopolitical disaster that has cost the economy trillions of dollars and the US its position as trusted global leader as some easily reversed minor misstep or hiccup is laughable. By all measures the economy was “firing on all cylinders” in 2024 under Biden and Trump has erased all of that. You have no basis to say it would have been worse under Kamala other than your own deep bias. 
 

It hurt US agriculture badly and Trump provided bailouts 

 

That was another of Trump’s unsubstantiated claims which resulted in Canada imposing counter-tariffs. Ultimately while it created a few thousand new US steel jobs, up to 75,000 US manufacturing jobs were lost as steel prices soared and certain specialized types of steel not made in the US but still tariffed by Trump became expensive and scarce. 
 

 

 

 

Like what exactly?  Be specific 

True. This isn't something plausible that kinda didn't go as well as people hoped. It's epic, historic mismanagement. It's total malpractice.

It's the economic equivalent of putting disinfectant in your body to fight COVID. 

[User]

13 hours ago, Hodad said:

It's the economic equivalent of putting disinfectant in your body to fight COVID. 

It is amazing how you folks on the left will hang on to these lies. No shame. No integrity. No care at all. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

WTF are you talking about?  

1)US doesn’t carry them on its back.

2) USA became the wealthiest and most powerful country in world history precisely because of the global economic order it created and lead, which Trump is now trying to dismantle. 
 

Huh?

No, “let them eat cake” is a conservative mentality towards the pee-ons. Liberals believe they should get their fair slice of the pie. 

Man you sure do shovel the sh1t consistently. Look at the turmoil when the US threatens tariffs.

US financial dominance began before the 20th century. They were actively sunning European markets.

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This European competition troubled U.S. presidents who viewed the Americas as their backyard and rightful sphere of influence. In 1823, President James Monroe warned Europe’s empires not to meddle in the region. Any further colonization would be viewed as a hostile act against the United States.

However, the so-called Monroe Doctrine—although bold—was largely dismissed by Europeans. The United States could not act on its threats. In 1820, the United States accounted for under 2 percent of global gross domestic product (GDP). (Today, the country makes up nearly a quarter of the world’s economy.)

Slowly but surely, this power dynamic shifted throughout the nineteenth century. National independence movements expelled Europe’s empires from their colonies in the region. Meanwhile, technological innovations, such as steamboats, passenger trains, and factory machines, transformed the United States from an agrarian country to an industrial one. Moreover, these changes helped spark newfound prosperity that enabled U.S. expansion across North America.

With this burgeoning power, the United States began to look beyond its shores. In 1853, American Commodore Matthew Perry sailed a contingent of the U.S. Navy to Japan. Perry’s voyage resulted in the opening of diplomatic and trading relations after threatening to attack the island nation, which had been largely closed off to the Western world for the previous two hundred years. Between 1856 and 1863, the United States acquired its first overseas territories—a collection of fifty-nine small, uninhabited islands in the Caribbean Sea and Pacific Ocean. Business interests in those islands’ guano—also known, unceremoniously, as seabird poop—drove this offshore expansion: the resource functioned as a valuable natural fertilizer for farmers to use on their nutrient-depleted soils.

https://education.cfr.org/learn/reading/how-did-united-states-become-global-power

The article goes on to reveal...

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Two main factors motivated Wilson’s decision. First and foremost, Germany had sunk U.S. ships in the Atlantic, which threatened both American lives and business interests. Second, the British intercepted a secret message known as the Zimmerman Telegram. This message revealed that  Germany offered to support Mexico taking over U.S. territory if Germany and Mexico formed a wartime alliance.

Despite these facts, the prospect of going to war in Europe provoked heated controversy. Opponents of intervention argued the United States should not commit its resources to a remote foreign conflict. Meanwhile, proponents of intervention believed that Germany’s aggression necessitated a response. Other pro-war advocates, like President Woodrow Wilson, insisted the United States enter the war to make the world “safe for democracy.” Yet another pro-intervention camp noted that the United States stood to suffer financially if the Allies (namely, the British and French) lost. U.S. banks had lent vast sums of money to the two countries and would suffer massively if the Allies did not prevail.

Hmmm...Safe for Democracy...now where have I heard that before...

But wait...there's more.

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As the smoke cleared, the United States stood victorious and with unprecedented global power. In addition to towering as the world’s military heavyweight, the United States boasted the most valuable currency—the dollar—to which all other major currencies had become fixed. In addition, the country’s economy had taken off during the war, nearly doubling in size between 1939 and 1945. In stark contrast, Western Europe’s economy contracted by 18 percent and Japan’s was cut in half.

This economic and military strength uniquely positioned the United States to promote postwar peace and prosperity. And this time, instead of retreating to the Western Hemisphere as it did following World War I, the United States resolved to prop Europe back up and rebuild Japan.

So you see...Oh numb one...the USA most certainly did and continues to this very day...carry much of the world on its back. It has cost them dearly and Trump is trying to end that. He's returning to what made America great. Independence from Europe, intense industrialization, and catering to the American population...instead of paying for everyone else...like...Ukraine.

Man...If you knew half as much as you think you do...you'd still be stoopid.