PM Carney in charge of the country and opposes free trade? Wow, what is going on here?

[blackbird]

Just so someone won't say this is BS from some journalist they don't agree with, I posted the comment on X which shows exactly what Carney said.   So both Carney and Trump are destroying free trade.

It’s time to build more cars right here at home with an All-In-Canada auto manufacturing network.” — Mark Carney, X, March 26

Edited March 28 by blackbird

[ironstone]

And Carney is going to hit those same Canadian steel and aluminum plants with the industrial carbon tax, increasing the cost to everyone, or driving those industries abroad.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Carney’s position is a response to Trump. It can’t be considered in isolation. 

[herbie]

It's the Can'tservative mentality of you can't do two things at the same time.

Either ship all trades offshore OR boost jobs here. More Candians building more products to ship somewhere else is unimaginable....

[eyeball]

On 3/28/2025 at 9:54 AM, blackbird said:

Just so someone won't say this is BS from some journalist they don't agree with, I posted the comment on X which shows exactly what Carney said. 

It's you and your thread title's BS. Where does Carney say he opposes free trade in the comment you posted?

The words oppose, free and trade are nowhere to be seen at all. They're not in the comment you spammed in other forum threads either.

 

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's you and your thread title's BS. Where does Carney say he opposes free trade in the comment you posted?

The words oppose, free and trade are nowhere to be seen at all. They're not in the comment you spammed in other forum threads either.

 

One can deduce that from his comments.  

First, he is a globalist climate change, net zero radical and so opposed the oil and gas industry.  He describes himself in his book that he is a government authoritarian and interventionist.  In other words, he just another Trudeau type control freak.

Secondly, Trump claims to be a radical anti free trade person and he loves Carney.  

quote

That said, Carney goes far beyond the usual central-banker misgivings about the functioning of free markets, preferring instead to subscribe to narratives widely shared by the Left. In Value(s), Carney rewrites his own account of past events to fit today’s liberal narratives. A prime example is 2008’s Great Financial Crisis. At the time, he diagnosed its origin as “a fundamental repricing of risk,” suggestive of a severe but isolated malfunction in markets. However, today Carney shifts the blame to “a crisis of values” and a misalignment of incentives, which fits his narrative that the heart of capitalism is fundamentally rotten because self-interest blinds us to broader social problems.   unquote

He has ideas of government intervention in the economy.  This is just more of the liberal control and will not fix the problems Canada has.  Investors do not like government control or Socialism and will go elsewhere where there is freedom from authoritarianism.

Edited Saturday at 11:57 PM by blackbird

[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

One can deduce that from his comments.  

Only if you're on LSD.

[blackbird]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

One can deduce that from his comments.  

Only if you're on LSD.

His writings tell what kind of leader he will be.  Authoritarian.

That is the difference between Liberals on the left and conservatives on right.

Conservatives believe in freedom and free enterprise.  Liberals don't.  That is why the country is in such a mess after ten years of Liberal Trudeau rule.  Carney will be a continuation of the liberal mess.

Canadians have a choice.  They could choose the path toward increased prosperity, increased resource development, and vastly increased jobs working in the resource industry and building homes.  Better paying jobs and reduced taxes.  They must vote Conservative to do that.

[herbie]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Conservatives believe in freedom and free enterprise.  Liberals don't.

Fallacy again.
You present a personal opinion as a fact to argue your conclusion.

What 'freedom' do you speak of?
The fact of Free Enterprise can be summarized with: Ya put down your money and ya takes your chances. There are no freedoms and guarantees included.
 

[blackbird]

15 minutes ago, herbie said:

Fallacy again.
You present a personal opinion as a fact to argue your conclusion.

What 'freedom' do you speak of?

You need to do a little reading.  Liberals and NDP are more against resource industries and Conservatives are in favour of them.  With liberal / NDP governments this has had a devastating effect on the resource industries in Canada preventing the creation of jobs, tax revenue and the GDP.   I thought as a former union guy you would favour more jobs, not less.   Free enterprise would create far more good-paying jobs in Canada.  The Liberal left would block them.

"

Whereas resource sector planks run over four pages in the Conservative Party of Canada platform – with a full page dedicated to energy alone – the only planks in the NDP platform that deal with resource industries appear to be ones with negative consequences.

On fisheries and aquaculture, the NDP pledges to “support the transition to land-based closed-containment systems.” This differs little from the Liberal plan, which is to shut down open-net salmon farms in B.C. and instead encourage investment in land-based aquaculture systems.

On Canada’s nascent liquefied natural gas (LNG) industry, only the Conservatives have a specific plank. It calls for a national LNG export strategy. The Liberal and NDP planks are silent on LNG. On forestry and mining, the NDP platform is also generally silent.

On mining, the Liberal platform pledges a ban on thermal coal exports from or through Canada by 2030. About half the coal mined in Canada – mostly in Alberta and Saskatchewan – is thermal coal. Most is used in those two provinces in coal power plants, which are due to be phased out by 2030, though some thermal coal mined in Canada is exported, mostly to Asia.

Muir said the ban may not have a big effect on Canadian mining jobs, but would have an impact on Vancouver port jobs."

Resource-development sectors get little love from Liberals, NDP - Business in Vancouver

 

[eyeball]

41 minutes ago, blackbird said:

His writings tell what kind of leader he will be.  Authoritarian

Trump says people won't need to vote again next election. Here it is right from the horses ass himself if you don't believe me 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they-wont-have-vote-after-this-election-2024-07-27/

You got anything like that on record for Carney?

[blackbird]

One need only to do a little internet searching to find articles that show the Liberal NDP policies have often been against resource projects while Conservatives support them.  It often also takes many years, possibly 15 years or more, to get approval for mining projects from Liberal governments.

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Trump says people won't need to vote again next election. Here it is right from the horses ass himself if you don't believe me 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they-wont-have-vote-after-this-election-2024-07-27/

You got anything like that on record for Carney?

What does that have to do with what we're talking about?  Nobody said Carney was exactly like Trump in every possible comment. 

We all know Trump makes bizarre comments continually.  

Trump is not someone Carney should cozy up to.  He is not our leader.

Carney's writing shows he is some kind of interventionist, authoritarian who thinks government's job is to meddle in the economy and try to control things to fit the mold he thinks it should be.

Edited Sunday at 01:51 AM by blackbird

[eyeball]

58 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What does that have to do with what we're talking about? 

Your comment about authoritarianism, writings and obliviousness in general.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Trump says people won't need to vote again next election. Here it is right from the horses ass himself if you don't believe me 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they-wont-have-vote-after-this-election-2024-07-27/

You got anything like that on record for Carney?

So what?  That has nothing to do with Carney being an authoritarian.   Having elections doesn't make Carney any less of an authoritarian.  We had ten years of Trudeau's disastrous governing.  It will be the same with Carney if he wins.   We have seen the corruption of the liberals.  Carney's team are the same old liberals.

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So what?  That has nothing to do with Carney being an authoritarian.

Having elections doesn't make Carney any less of an authoritarian.

Not having an election would. So why do you suppose Carney would call one?

 

[Goddess]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not having an election would. So why do you suppose Carney would call one?

 

Prior to Carney running, the Conservatives had a large lead.  But everyone knew that some die-hard Liberal supporters would go back to the party if they changed the leader.  Which they did.

Carney quickly called an election to capitalize on Lib supporters coming back to the party when the leader changed.

 

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not having an election would. So why do you suppose Carney would call one?

 

Carney and the Liberals didn't really have any choice.

As soon as he recalls Parliament, there will be a non-confidence motion as quickly as possible, which would bring down the government and there would have to be an election.

Trump's tariffs have become a central issue and many undecided voters believe that Carney can somehow be the savior in the face of Trump.  It makes many people also forget the past ten years of Liberal harm done to Canada.

So if course at a time when the Liberals have had a big improvement in the polls because of Trump, Carney would call an election.  People forget easily about the past ten years under Trudeau and somehow think Carney will be a total change.  He won't be though.  That is the problem.  He has the same old liberal gang in the cabinet and in the caucus.  Things won't change under Carney.  

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Prior to Carney running, the Conservatives had a large lead.  But everyone knew that some die-hard Liberal supporters would go back to the party if they changed the leader.  Which they did.

Carney quickly called an election to capitalize on Lib supporters coming back to the party when the leader changed.

Why would any self-respecting authoritarian give a shit about any of this?

 

[eyeball]

Just now, blackbird said:

Carney and the Liberals didn't really have any choice.

They could simply have Conservatives shot. You said he's an authoritarian right?  or is the ridiculousness of your position finally sinking in?

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why would any self-respecting authoritarian give a shit about any of this?

 

He still has to win the election to be the new Liberal authoritarian.

Liberal and left voters are very gullible, especially in the Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto triangle.  Quebec blindly supports Liberals and always has.  

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

They could simply have Conservatives shot. You said he's an authoritarian right?  or is the ridiculousness of your position finally sinking in?

You are the ridiculous one.  You are off in some weird way of thinking that makes rational conversation impossible.

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

He still has to win the election to be the new Liberal authoritarian.

A dictator who needs permission... doesn't sound like much of a dictator to me.

I suppose it'll be easy as falling off a log though because as everyone knows lefties just can't wait to become slaves.

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are the ridiculous one.  You are off in some weird way of thinking that makes rational conversation impossible.

I'm just going where your assertions lead, obviously you can't think them through to any sort of conclusion.

[herbie]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

You need to do a little reading.  Liberals and NDP are more against resource industries and Conservatives are in favour of them.

No, you should. You're equating responsible resource development with being against resource development. Starting every thought with the premise that regulation equals "bad", that the wishes of business owners is more important than that of the population. That everyone must agree with your premises in order to reach your conclusion.

Resource development has not stopped under either NDP or Liberal govts. Unless you want to go way back to the Dave Barrett era of the 1970s where the mere concept of royalties was so abhorrent to business they overthrew a democratic govt in Chile and shut down BC operations altogether. And regardless of what govt was in place, no matter what concessions and deregulation was offered, withheld investment for decades to teach the population a lesson on who runs the show.

We would all agree the processing of permits needs to be sped up, but only a fool would buy the dream that a heavy handed federal govt that rolled back environmental and local accomodation and consultation rules is the solution. PP's bullshit slogans aren't going to fix a bloody thing, their implementation by some imagined ability to do via the stroke of a pen like Trump's daily decrees will make things worse.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

A dictator who needs permission... doesn't sound like much of a dictator to me.

Unfortunately, the way our system works is first of all the party that gets the most seats forms the government and the Prime Minister is automatically the leader of that party.  He in effect becomes the dictator for the next four years.  There are so many different issues that people vote on that the PM can pick and choose which issue he is going to pursue and can neglect whatever issue he chooses.  He can do almost anything he wants on the general claim that the people elected him.

For example, the PM can ignore developing our energy industry and there is nothing anybody can do about it.  He has the position for four years and that's all he needs.  He is under no obligation to do certain things.  Our system gives the elected party the power to do whatever they choose.  So yes he is a kind of dictator. 

[blackbird]

14 minutes ago, herbie said:

You're equating responsible resource development with being against resource development.

Let's stop right there and look at the LNG Industry in Canada.  Canada had the chance to build a pipeline to the east coast and ship oil or gas to other countries, but chose not to because of Trudeau's radical war on climate change.  If you don't think that has harmed Canada a lot in the last ten years, you must be blind.

The Trudeau Liberals turned their back on building the Energy East pipeline and the Northern Gateway Pipeline to the Kitimat terminal.  They did nothing about the offer from some European countries to buy our natural gas.

They passed bill C69, the no pipeline bill, and passed a bill to ban tankers from the B.C. north coast.

How much more do you need to know?   Trudeau was obsessed with fighting climate change while the rest of the world moved ahead and built pipelines, shipped their oil and natural gas.  We were left behind.  Why does Canada have to be sacrificed while the rest of the world develops their resources and creates jobs and prosperity for their people?

It is really suicidal and self destructive to have Liberals and NDP which are opposed to resource development and against the energy industry.  Carney has a history of being a climate change representative on the world stage.  He will be the same anti energy PM as Trudeau.

 

Edited Sunday at 09:08 PM by blackbird

[-TSS-]

It was absolutely news to me that it is even possible to be for a non-British persons governor of the Bank of England.

A funny side note that since in the UK they are very touchy about not calling England or English anything which refers to the whole of the UK but the Bank of England is an exception. Nobody bats an eyelid even though it is the central-bank of the whole of the UK.