CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm certainly not denying that's the crisis that matters most. The crisis you should be worried about is the obvious tumor growing in your brain. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: Mike...it's not any one factor...it's all of them. Man just happens to be a very small factor. All the factors can be quantified. Human caused CO2 is the largest factor. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: All the factors can be quantified. Human caused CO2 is the largest factor. So provide the research. We both know you're reading this. You'll pretend that you're not because you can't provide any science that actually backs up your claims.. Which means you probably haven't read any, you're just repeating what other people told you without verifying like a good drone. but you'll claim that others are 'denying the science' that you yourself have never seen. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: All the factors can be quantified. Human caused CO2 is the largest factor. https://www.britannica.com/science/global-warming One of the most detailed climate articles I've ever seen and the best it can conclude is, "since preindustrial times, and most of the warming over the second half of the 20th century could be attributed to human activities." None of this or any real scientific report claim we have a crisis on our hands. No, instead there's yet another "could". The frustrating thing is, many of us who find the government actions for The Boogeyman, are perfectly willing to have government funded research into a realistic replacement for oil and gas, but the climate religious just freak right out and refuse to make any concessions. Then we get mad and you get rather abrupt leadership in return. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: https://www.britannica.com/science/global-warming One of the most detailed climate articles I've ever seen and the best it can conclude is, "since preindustrial times, and most of the warming over the second half of the 20th century could be attributed to human activities." None of this or any real scientific report claim we have a crisis on our hands. No, instead there's yet another "could". The frustrating thing is, many of us who find the government actions for The Boogeyman, are perfectly willing to have government funded research into a realistic replacement for oil and gas, but the climate religious just freak right out and refuse to make any concessions. Then we get mad and you get rather abrupt leadership in return. Well ok, but an encyclopedia entry is not authoritative when it comes to providing the complete evidence of climate change caused by humans. Furthermore, you're nitpicking one word in that article and trying to work backwards to say that we can include there's not enough evidence. I would say look at summaries of the scientific papers, how often they're cited by other papers etc. There is enough evidence, though ,and as I mentioned, there are no other factors that add up to causing climate change on the level that it's happened other than human produced CO2 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Well ok, but an encyclopedia entry is not authoritative when it comes to providing the complete evidence of climate change caused by humans. Furthermore, you're nitpicking one word in that article and trying to work backwards to say that we can include there's not enough evidence. I would say look at summaries of the scientific papers, how often they're cited by other papers etc. There is enough evidence, though ,and as I mentioned, there are no other factors that add up to causing climate change on the level that it's happened other than human produced CO2 See what I mean? You have no intention of pursuing a compromise...and in another thread you'll bemoan the culture wars. Edited March 30 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Well ok, but an encyclopedia entry is not authoritative when it comes to providing the complete evidence of climate change caused by humans. Then. Post. Something. Authoritative. ANY actual research that says it's a crisis. Any science. "I REFUSE TO POST SCIENCE BUT DEMAND YOU BELIEVE THESE NON SCIENCE SOURCES" ok - here's a non science source that says you're wrong. "THAT'S NOT SCIENCE, I ONLY BELIEVE SCIENCE SOURCES" Sigh. @Nationalist, you have the patience of a saint. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Then. Post. Something. Authoritative. ANY actual research that says it's a crisis. Any science. "I REFUSE TO POST SCIENCE BUT DEMAND YOU BELIEVE THESE NON SCIENCE SOURCES" ok - here's a non science source that says you're wrong. "THAT'S NOT SCIENCE, I ONLY BELIEVE SCIENCE SOURCES" Sigh. @Nationalist, you have the patience of a saint. Lol...ya well...I suspect Mike knows I'm right. I'm perfectly willing to concede that 8 billion people, can generate warmth. Just look at Toronto. Buffalo gets snow and rain...Barrie gets it...Toronto doesn't. Toronto has a "heat sheild". We did that. But noooo... No cost will satisfy these greenies. Yet they're so enthralled that they dint realize Orangemanbad is the result of their own childishness. Ya gits wut ya pays fer. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 42 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...ya well...I suspect Mike knows I'm right. I'm perfectly willing to concede that 8 billion people, can generate warmth. Just look at Toronto. Buffalo gets snow and rain...Barrie gets it...Toronto doesn't. Toronto has a "heat sheild". We did that. But noooo... No cost will satisfy these greenies. Yet they're so enthralled that they dint realize Orangemanbad is the result of their own childishness. Ya gits wut ya pays fer. They think 'orangemanbad', and then are set to elect a guy who's a rich international banker and who gave musk 250 million to buy twitter and who gave Jarad Kushner hundreds of millions to help him bail out his country by moving his offices to the states and leasing his building. It's the final proof there must be a god because there's no way THAT level of stupid could happen accidentally. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: They think 'orangemanbad', and then are set to elect a guy who's a rich international banker and who gave musk 250 million to buy twitter and who gave Jarad Kushner hundreds of millions to help him bail out his country by moving his offices to the states and leasing his building. It's the final proof there must be a god because there's no way THAT level of stupid could happen accidentally. Carney...an apt name for a goof who will do and say anything for money and power. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Carney...an apt name for a goof who will do and say anything for money and power. Yeah but he's winning at the moment. SO he may be a thief and a goof and a liar but hes' an effective one. We'll see. Still 4 weeks left and that's a long time in poiltics. I just have a tough time believing quebecers want someone who's already insulted them that badly and that leftist want someone who's the very example of a rich person they wanted to eat just last year. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 5 hours ago, Nationalist said: See what I mean? You have no intention of pursuing a compromise...and in another thread you'll bemoan the culture wars. A compromise on what? Science? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted March 30 Report Posted March 30 55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: A compromise on what? Science? You haven't posted any science. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: A compromise on what? Science? No on interpretations and response. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 12 hours ago, Nationalist said: No on interpretations and response. We haven't talked about response. So how can you say I'm not interested in negotiating or compromising? And I don't think interpretation should be subject to negotiation. Facts point to a conclusion, what would be the role of negotiation in that exchange? "The thermometer shows it's -20. I interpret that to mean that I would feel cold if I went out" "Let's compromise on this" ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: We haven't talked about response. So how can you say I'm not interested in negotiating or compromising? And I don't think interpretation should be subject to negotiation. Facts point to a conclusion, what would be the role of negotiation in that exchange? "The thermometer shows it's -20. I interpret that to mean that I would feel cold if I went out" "Let's compromise on this" ? Do you or do you not agree with the measures taken in the name of climate control? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: We haven't talked about response. So how can you say I'm not interested in negotiating or compromising? And I don't think interpretation should be subject to negotiation. Facts point to a conclusion, what would be the role of negotiation in that exchange? "The thermometer shows it's -20. I interpret that to mean that I would feel cold if I went out" "Let's compromise on this" ? Interpretation is ALWAYS open to further discussion. Facts DO NOT point to the same conclusions for everyone, and in fact the most common interpretation of the facts in science have very often proven to be wrong later. Newton was WAY off base but we believed his stuff for years. So it is 100 percent reasonable that two people would say "I interpret it this way" and another would say "i interpret it that way" and for those parties to discuss and debate and 'negotiate' on what they both can agree on and what actions would be wise to take that make sense in both scenarios. It displays your complete lack of understanding of science that you think that somehow a conclusion is absolute 2 Quote
eyeball Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Newton was WAY off base but we believed his stuff for years. Say what? His stuff still forms the foundation upon which modern physics is built. Theories like relativity and quantum mechanics have only refined the laws of motion that he developed and they're still routinely used by engineers and physicists in everyday applications. I don't see technophiles tearing his statues down. Do you? 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It displays your complete lack of understanding of science that you think that somehow a conclusion is absolute. A display we'll probably be treated to as you spend the next several posts filled with insults, emojis and sure kids trying to show your dismissal of Newton is absolutely conclusive. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Say what? His stuff still forms the foundation upon which modern physics is built. No, it does not. Some of it is still interesting and works kind of at low speeds. He just did not know all the variables. Most of his work was shown to be horribly flawed by the time we got to general relativity. But it's still amazing what he did with what he had. Quote Theories like relativity and quantum mechanics have only refined the laws of motion that he developed and they're still routinely used by engineers and physicists in everyday applications. No, they were completely rewritten. Sorry. His formulas were wrong. They made assumptions about speed in motion that unfortunately we're untrue, but of course he had no way of knowing that at the time. Quote I don't see technophiles tearing his statues down. Do you? Why would they? He was an amazing pioneer who advanced the science in his day. His works have been replaced but he did amazing things. Columbus doesnt' stop being the guy who 'discovered' america just because america is different today. His work inspired others to continue to search and to experiment and test and even tho he was found to be wrong in the end he still advanced science tremendously. But he was wrong. Mind you you can still use some of his equasions in specific circumstances and get a more or less correct answer. He was on the right track at least Quote A display we'll probably be treated to as you spend the next several posts filled with insults, emojis and sure kids trying to show your dismissal of Newton is absolutely conclusive. LOL i love how you're already trying to excuse the fact you're wrong and blame it on me. Here's an emoji for you Have you ever thought looking up the truth of things before you go posting on the internet and looking like a drunken grade school drop out? Quote
eyeball Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Have you ever thought looking up the truth of things before you go posting on the internet and looking like a drunken grade school drop out? Yup, you should try it some time. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 21 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yup, you should try it some time. Says the guy who just claimed Newtonian physics is still accurate LOLOL Quote
eyeball Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Says the guy who just claimed Newtonian physics is still accurate Still highly accurate actually. You never looked before making a donkey's ass of yourself did you? 28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: LOLOL I think you meant hee haw hee haw. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 (edited) 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: Still highly accurate actually. You never looked before making a donkey's ass of yourself did you? Uhhh yeah i did. You clearly did not which is why you didn't provide a cite. I would imagine now you'll try to play some word game and claim his work was actually just 'incomplete'. Incomplete is wrong. Sigh. trust you to double down on the stupid 16 minutes ago, eyeball said: I think you meant hee haw hee haw I was talking to you, not your wife Edited March 31 by CdnFox Quote
eyeball Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 39 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Uhhh yeah i did. You clearly did not which is why you didn't provide a cite. LMAO! If you've ever driven across a bridge or flown in an airplane you've put your life in the hands of Newtonian physics. 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I would imagine now you'll try to play some word game and claim his work was actually just 'incomplete'. Incomplete is wrong. Sigh. trust you to double down on the stupid I already told you his work was improved on by modern theories. Trust you to miss that. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Legato Posted March 31 Report Posted March 31 (edited) 7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Facts point to a conclusion, what would be the role of negotiation in that exchange? Show us the facts that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt there is a climate crisis. Only then could there not be any negotiation. Until then I'll be cleaning up after the ice downed 40 branches on my driveway. " Edited March 31 by Legato Quote
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