Clown show: White House inadvertently texted top-secret Yemen war plans to journalist

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Lol...you can't handle it, can you? I showed you the lie you posted and you are trying to make it about someone else.

K.I.S.S.

Waltz was given a phone programmed with important numbers to be used in his official capacity. Waltz said he added the number using someone else's name (presumably Jameison Greer https://www.ibtimes.sg/was-jeffrey-goldberg-mistakenly-added-instead-jamieson-greer-signal-chat-group-discussing-war-79200 ).

The simplest explanation, that requires the fewest assumptions, is that the intern (or whomever) that programmed the phone numbers, copied the number from the wrong line in the database. Hence Jeffery Goldbloom got the messages when Jameison Greer was the intended recipient

Now, had this happened under Joe, we wouldn't have heard about it. But we know that you and your ilk made all the excuses in the world for the disasterous withdrawal from Afghanistan. So which would you rather have? Disaster with no leaks or victory with minor leaks? Or hell, major leaks.

As far as I am concerned this discussion is over. The adults are in charge and have indulged the children for far to long.

IF they hadn't looped Jeffrey Goldberg in, NO ONE would have heard about this major clusterfark.

And Hegseth would not have needed to tell all his LIES about "nothing classified" when so many people know that impending military ops are ALWAYS CLASSIFIED.

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

Let’s not add to the typos here: Jamieson Greer; Jeffrey Goldberg. Actor Jeffrey Goldblum has nothing to do with this story. 

But what about Jeffery Goldbloom? LMAO

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, User said:

Nothing was announced. So... what is your point here?

"ALWAYS CLASSIFIED" = NOT ALLOWED ON SIGNAL. Duh

How do you know that Russia and China didn't intercept Signal?

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Lol...you can't handle it, can you? I showed you the lie you posted and you are trying to make it about someone else.

K.I.S.S.

Waltz was given a phone programmed with important numbers to be used in his official capacity. Waltz said he added the number using someone else's name (presumably Jameison Greer https://www.ibtimes.sg/was-jeffrey-goldberg-mistakenly-added-instead-jamieson-greer-signal-chat-group-discussing-war-79200 ).

The simplest explanation, that requires the fewest assumptions, is that the intern (or whomever) that programmed the phone numbers, copied the number from the wrong line in the database. Hence Jeffery Goldbloom got the messages when Jameison Greer was the intended recipient

Now, had this happened under Joe, we wouldn't have heard about it. But we know that you and your ilk made all the excuses in the world for the disasterous withdrawal from Afghanistan. So which would you rather have? Disaster with no leaks or victory with minor leaks? Or hell, major leaks.

As far as I am concerned this discussion is over. The adults are in charge and have indulged the children for far to long.

Really, really impressive. 

• Couldn't cite evidence for any lie and completely ignored the question.
• Added random internet speculation as if it were actual information.
• Deflected to a completely (and wildly) unrelated Biden criticism.
• And then claimed--amidst this tragicomic disaster of an episode--that the perpetrators are the "adults in the room."

Really top notch work. Checked all the boxes on your greatest hits. Hegseth quality bullshit there. You're ready to squeeze into the clown car. -- I bet they'd at least add you to the group chat!

Jeebus.

Edited March 27 by Hodad

[Hodad]

51 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Right? You can watch the wannabe wildcat twist his shit inside out from the second post in this forum to the one two up from yours. You can watch the transformation in real time. It's fascinating--and pretty sad.

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

At this point the pretzels Trump's administration and partisan supporters are turning themselves into while denying, deflecting, and decrying it have made it a spectacle.

Only if you really get the sense that the average American wouldn't buy it though.

I get that sense with my latest piping hot pretzel, but you know I'm never sure...

[User]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

"ALWAYS CLASSIFIED" = NOT ALLOWED ON SIGNAL. Duh

How do you know that Russia and China didn't intercept Signal?

What exactly was classified and what do you base that on?

No names, no targets, no routes, no units, no locations, no methods. 

 

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

IF they hadn't looped Jeffrey Goldberg in, NO ONE would have heard about this major clusterfark.

Except... there was no major clusterfark. The only mess up was including Goldberg. Otherwise the mission was a huge success. 

 

[User]

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

And let it not be overlooked that in that whole goddamn clusterfark of a scenario, your objection is that he did claim not to have done something that we all know he did. Can't make this stuff up--but you do keep trying.

Yet again, Hegseth was very clearly only contesting the loaded language being used, not that there was even a chat on signal at all. That is such an absurd proposition you are making here. 

 

[User]

11 hours ago, Hodad said:

Are you farking nuts. You don't think the timings, sequence and methods of an upcoming military strike are classified? Jeebus. That could literally get people killed.

You don't think the SecDef and others on the National Security team talk about these things?

Of course they do. The only issue here was that they mistakenly added Goldberg to the chat. 

As I explained before, there is a difference between sensitive and classified information. 

"No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. No classified information." ~ Sean Parnell

[User]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

No, it's because the few who are on ignore, are LIARS like YOU, and not worth the waste of my time.

No, its because you are a coward. You lie over and over and over again on here and don't like getting called out for it. so you run away. 

[gatomontes99]

[Aristides]

[Goddess]

I feel like this could possibly be an "on purpose" leak.

Europe fumes at Trump team’s insults in leaked Signal chat – POLITICO

There was no actual intel in it and all it seemed to do was pi$$ off the Europeans because it mostly just insulted them.

Vance had just been to the EU and told them they needed to start coughing up more for their own security and stop relying on the US.

“British and European officials and diplomats,” Politico explained, “reacted with a mix of hurt and anger.” It woefully added, “in Europe, the tone among diplomats was more of grief and resignation.”

Poor little diplomats.  Why don't they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Who cares what those American m0r0ns think?"

“An EU diplomat noted it underlined the impression that Vance was the driver of U.S. hostility towards Europe.”

They are suddenly taking the Vice President a whole lot more seriously. In one harmless leak, the Europeans have been convinced that Trump is serious, in a profound way that no public statement could ever have achieved:

Quote

Any hope they may have held that Vance and his colleagues were putting on a public show of aggression toward Europe while being more sympathetic in private vanished. 

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A second EU diplomat agreed that history suggested America would one day return to its role as a solid ally for Europe. “For the time being, and despite the sometimes nice diplomatic words, trust is broken,” the diplomat said. “There is no alliance without trust. So I think that Europe has to do much more because it has no other choice.”

Mission accomplished.

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I feel like this could possibly be an "on purpose" leak.

Europe fumes at Trump team’s insults in leaked Signal chat – POLITICO

There was no actual intel in it and all it seemed to do was pi$$ off the Europeans because it mostly just insulted them.

Vance had just been to the EU and told them they needed to start coughing up more for their own security and stop relying on the US.

“British and European officials and diplomats,” Politico explained, “reacted with a mix of hurt and anger.” It woefully added, “in Europe, the tone among diplomats was more of grief and resignation.”

Poor little diplomats.  Why don't they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Who cares what those American m0r0ns think?"

“An EU diplomat noted it underlined the impression that Vance was the driver of U.S. hostility towards Europe.”

They are suddenly taking the Vice President a whole lot more seriously. In one harmless leak, the Europeans have been convinced that Trump is serious, in a profound way that no public statement could ever have achieved:

Mission accomplished.

In reality, revealing the weapons and TIMING of an attack over an unsecured channel  is VERY RISKY for the pilots involved. IF the Houthis had sophisticated comm intercepts, several of those pilots could have died.

When Hegseth declared OPSEC CLEAR, he was LYING.

[Aristides]

This is a mob that uses X and Truth Social to announce government policy. A screw up like this should be no surprise and I doubt it will be the last.

[gatomontes99]

22 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I feel like this could possibly be an "on purpose" leak.

Europe fumes at Trump team’s insults in leaked Signal chat – POLITICO

There was no actual intel in it and all it seemed to do was pi$$ off the Europeans because it mostly just insulted them.

Vance had just been to the EU and told them they needed to start coughing up more for their own security and stop relying on the US.

“British and European officials and diplomats,” Politico explained, “reacted with a mix of hurt and anger.” It woefully added, “in Europe, the tone among diplomats was more of grief and resignation.”

Poor little diplomats.  Why don't they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Who cares what those American m0r0ns think?"

“An EU diplomat noted it underlined the impression that Vance was the driver of U.S. hostility towards Europe.”

They are suddenly taking the Vice President a whole lot more seriously. In one harmless leak, the Europeans have been convinced that Trump is serious, in a profound way that no public statement could ever have achieved:

Mission accomplished.

What are they mad about? It's the truth. I guess what they are mad about is the changing mindset. We used to be the enforcer for everything and now we are actually weighing the cost v benefit. What a horror?! No. Actually, that's not a horror. That's practical.

In the end, it was a good message to send because they did attack our ships.

[User]

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

In reality, revealing the weapons and TIMING of an attack over an unsecured channel  is VERY RISKY for the pilots involved. IF the Houthis had sophisticated comm intercepts, several of those pilots could have died.

When Hegseth declared OPSEC CLEAR, he was LYING.

It was a secure channel. Signal is a secure and encrypted app. 

When Hegseth declared OPSEC CLEAR, it was. 

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

In reality, revealing the weapons and TIMING of an attack over an unsecured channel  is VERY RISKY for the pilots involved. IF the Houthis had sophisticated comm intercepts, several of those pilots could have died.

When Hegseth declared OPSEC CLEAR, he was LYING.

The Houthis didn't even need sophisticated communications equipment, just the wrong person added to the chat. 

There's a reason that discussion of classified information--and certainly an active military strike--is confined to secure channels or in the latter case even the situation room. 

The mistakes were dumb, the denials are just an embarrassing new low. Clowns.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

The Houthis didn't even need sophisticated communications equipment, just the wrong person added to the chat. 

There's a reason that discussion of classified information--and certainly an active military strike--is confined to secure channels or in the latter case even the situation room. 

The mistakes were dumb, the denials are just an embarrassing new low. Clowns.

Well they did add a wrong person to the chat, just not THE wrong person. LMAO

[Hodad]

14 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Well they did add a wrong person to the chat, just not THE wrong person. LMAO

Yes. I think the military rank and file can ultimately  understand a mistake--even an egregious error like this. But the refusal to acknowledge the mistake--to be responsible and accountable for it--is reprehensible. That is NOT leadership. 

They've been given the starkest reminder that they work for people who are neither qualified, nor morally fit, to merit the risk and sacrifice asked of our service personnel. 

[User]

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yes. I think the military rank and file can ultimately  understand a mistake--even an egregious error like this. But the refusal to acknowledge the mistake--to be responsible and accountable for it--is reprehensible. That is NOT leadership. 

They've been given the starkest reminder that they work for people who are neither qualified, nor morally fit, to merit the risk and sacrifice asked of our service personnel. 

You are the one pushing this lie. The mistake was adding someone to the chat that should not have been. No one denies that obvious issue. 

It is the continued lies you and others keep pushing that is the issue. 

 

[robosmith]

56 minutes ago, User said:

You are the one pushing this lie. The mistake was adding someone to the chat that should not have been. No one denies that obvious issue. 

It is the continued lies you and others keep pushing that is the issue. 

 

You cannot even specify your alleged lie, let alone prove it FALSE.

The FACT is, when no one "acknowledges the mistake--to be responsible and accountable for it" nothing will be done to make sure it never happens again, and a message of hypocrisy is sent to all those who face punishment for less egregious offenses.

When you post allegations of LIES without specificity, it is YOU whose credibility is DESTROYED.

[User]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You cannot even specify your alleged lie, let alone prove it FALSE.

The FACT is, when no one "acknowledges the mistake--to be responsible and accountable for it" nothing will be done to make sure it never happens again, and a message of hypocrisy is sent to all those who face punishment for less egregious offenses.

When you post allegations of LIES without specificity, it is YOU whose credibility is DESTROYED.

The lie is that no one has acknowledged the obvious mistake of adding someone who was not supposed to be there to the chat. 

They have talked about that and are figuring out how that happened. 

You have ZERO room to talk to anyone on this forum about lies or credibility. 

Unlike you, I will stand here and respond to the accusations and prove my case. You lie and run away. 

[robosmith]

34 minutes ago, User said:

The lie is that no one has acknowledged the obvious mistake of adding someone who was not supposed to be there to the chat. 

They have talked about that and are figuring out how that happened. 

You have ZERO room to talk to anyone on this forum about lies or credibility. 

Unlike you, I will stand here and respond to the accusations and prove my case. You lie and run away. 

^This kind of WORTHLESS POST is why you're ON IGNORE.

When you LIE, you don't deserve a response. Like ^this where you PRETEND that using Signal AT ALL, among other things, was NOT a HUGE MISTAKE. Others include LYING about impending MILITARY OPS not being classified.

Since you don't know there is a whole category of issues which as AUTO CLASSIFED, but the liars in this are depending on YOU NOT KNOWING THAT.

Back to ignore. Bye

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

^This kind of WORTHLESS POST is why you're ON IGNORE.

 

But you keep responding to him.  I feel like maybe you don't understand what ignore means

 

[User]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

^This kind of WORTHLESS POST is why you're ON IGNORE.

When you LIE, you don't deserve a response. Like ^this where you PRETEND that using Signal AT ALL, among other things, was NOT a HUGE MISTAKE. Others include LYING about impending MILITARY OPS not being classified.

Since you don't know there is a whole category of issues which as AUTO CLASSIFED, but the liars in this are depending on YOU NOT KNOWING THAT.

Back to ignore. Bye

 

Signal is an approved tool, encrypted, and used by previous administrations.. 

I am not pretending anything, just stating facts. 

I have already explained the difference between "classified" and "sensitive" information. 

As usual, you run away. 

 

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But you keep responding to him.  I feel like maybe you don't understand what ignore means

 

Hodad is the only coward on here that has consistently been one. Everyone else that has put me on ignore selectively responds and then runs away again.