ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 38 minutes ago, User said: Look at how easily you give up fighting for Ukraine. You must love Putin and want him to win! Nope, never fought for Ukraine, just argued with you and pointed out your governments BS. Is your butt jealous of all the BS coming out of your mouth? I think my time beating you is over, You bore me now. Go to the mirror and check your orange wig and spray tan and pretend you are someone. Bye. Edited March 7 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 On 3/7/2025 at 4:26 PM, ExFlyer said: No it is not but, that was not the discussion. iI was money for aid to Ukraine aid. Our poor military manning problem is an internal and long ongoing issue. Nothing to do with how much we give to NATO. Look, Canada last spent 2% GDP on defence way back in 1980 for the one year. And much less since, by all governments. Yes it is "you" stated that We Canadians are doing our part as a member of NATO. When we are clearly not even meeting the minimum GDP contribution. which is effecting's not only our obsolete equipment, our manning issues, what we put into benefits for our people, it effect's our size, and that effect's our ability to force generate anything over a battle group...Not much of a member when all you dan deploy in 2500 personal at best...SO it has a major role in what we do or can't do... That seems to be a common answer lately with the liberals it has not been done since 1980....which means what exactly, we knew it was not right , but it is ok because everyone else has done it....It is the federal governments job to ensure we can defend the nation and they failed like those that came before them...., Well sir, liberals have had the ball for almost 9 years now, and had the chance to correct all of that,They have been in charge...and they decided not to correct it why.... 1 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 11 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes it is "you" stated that We Canadians are doing our part as a member of NATO. When we are clearly not even meeting the minimum GDP contribution. which is effecting's not only our obsolete equipment, our manning issues, what we put into benefits for our people, it effect's our size, and that effect's our ability to force generate anything over a battle group...Not much of a member when all you dan deploy in 2500 personal at best...SO it has a major role in what we do or can't do... That seems to be a common answer lately with the liberals it has not been done since 1980....which means what exactly, we knew it was not right , but it is ok because everyone else has done it....It is the federal governments job to ensure we can defend the nation and they failed like those that came before them...., Well sir, liberals have had the ball for almost 9 years now, and had the chance to correct all of that,They have been in charge...and they decided not to correct it why.... Look, I am tired you your berating the men and women now serving in the Military. Be they short, tall, thin or fat. They, like you, were pawns to the governments which for decades decide where to spend it's money. It is not a matter of "its OK because everyone else has done it. It is a matter of the governemtn of all stripes decided where the priority of spending is. Conservatives had the ball for 10 years prior to the latest liberal tenure. We (you, I and so many other) served because we wanted, regardless of who was in power and did with what they give. That will go on. Like I said, it is not your military any more. And more importantly, the government and all it's programs need to funded and as we all know the government cannot give to anybody what it first take from somebody else. The governing party priority is probably not what you want it to be but, it is what the government believes is in best interest of all Canadians. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Dougie93 Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes it is "you" stated that We Canadians are doing our part as a member of NATO. When we are clearly not even meeting the minimum GDP contribution. which is effecting's not only our obsolete equipment, our manning issues, what we put into benefits for our people, it effect's our size, and that effect's our ability to force generate anything over a battle group...Not much of a member when all you dan deploy in 2500 personal at best...SO it has a major role in what we do or can't do... That seems to be a common answer lately with the liberals it has not been done since 1980....which means what exactly, we knew it was not right , but it is ok because everyone else has done it....It is the federal governments job to ensure we can defend the nation and they failed like those that came before them...., Well sir, liberals have had the ball for almost 9 years now, and had the chance to correct all of that,They have been in charge...and they decided not to correct it why.... Canada is getting its rightful comeuppance now, particularly when Canadians realize that decades of deliberately dismantling the military, cannot be undone in short order, never mind that what is left of the Canadian military is totally reliant upon the Pentagon for logistics, Karma is a b!tch 1 Quote
cougar Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 On 3/6/2025 at 4:08 PM, ExFlyer said: Trump does not want it to end...he want to prove to Putin he will suck Putins donald and fill his coffers at the same time LOL Ukraine is a bad actor too. We should have given nothing to them, except we always do what US wants us to do. This time we just could not take the sharp turn. And probably Trudeau figured , on his way out, he did not need to, leaving it in the hands of the next premier. The money should have been used to improve our manufacturing capacities, so we do VAT work on those raw materials and export products instead. The stupidity of doing what's easy and just stripping resources and exporting them has been going for a century. Now we are so far behind, there is no catching up. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 1 minute ago, cougar said: Ukraine is a bad actor too. We should have given nothing to them, except we always do what US wants us to do. This time we just could not take the sharp turn. And probably Trudeau figured , on his way out, he did not need to, leaving it in the hands of the next premier. The money should have been used to improve our manufacturing capacities, so we do VAT work on those raw materials and export products instead. The stupidity of doing what's easy and just stripping resources and exporting them has been going for a century. Now we are so far behind, there is no catching up. Oh? Ukraine was not invaded by Russia? Oh, we should do nothing against the US for their economic invasion to us and accept what the US is doing to us? What nonsense are you posting?? LOL 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
cougar Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Oh? Ukraine was not invaded by Russia? Oh, we should do nothing against the US for their economic invasion to us and accept what the US is doing to us? What nonsense are you posting?? LOL Didn't Israel invade and destroy Palestine, and whose side are we on? There is more to the story that goes back in history well before the invasion. For their own political reasons, some prefer to ignore it and focus only on the invasion. I never said anything about the US and the tariff war. Edited March 9 by cougar Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 2 hours ago, cougar said: Didn't Israel invade and destroy Palestine, and whose side are we on? There is more to the story that goes back in history well before the invasion. For their own political reasons, some prefer to ignore it and focus only on the invasion. I never said anything about the US and the tariff war. Didn't Palestinians invade an Israeli music festival and kill many and take hostages first and send rockets intp Israel? There is more to what story? Whos political reasons? You said "money should have been used to improve our manufacturing capacities, so we do VAT work on those raw materials and export products instead. " "Now we are so far behind, there is no catching up. ".Who are you talking about then??? And what is VAT?? 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Look, I am tired you your berating the men and women now serving in the Military. Be they short, tall, thin or fat. They, like you, were pawns to the governments which for decades decide where to spend it's money. It is not a matter of "its OK because everyone else has done it. It is a matter of the governemtn of all stripes decided where the priority of spending is. Conservatives had the ball for 10 years prior to the latest liberal tenure. We (you, I and so many other) served because we wanted, regardless of who was in power and did with what they give. That will go on. Like I said, it is not your military any more. And more importantly, the government and all it's programs need to funded and as we all know the government cannot give to anybody what it first take from somebody else. The governing party priority is probably not what you ant it to be but, it is what the government believes is in best interest of all Canadians. Maybe you can show me where i berated anyone in this post....this is you not having anything productive to say, so your bouncing back on some retarded statement you dreamt up....if your not going to engage in a decent manner then stop responding to my posts, your starting to sound like political smash or worse. Like i said before this has got nothing to do with the troops and has everything to do with the Liberal government...who was in charge for almost 9 years and failed to do what was needed....Your the one here thats been defending those actions, like it some how benefited the country and the forces... Pointing the fingers again, conservatives did nothing so we should get a pass as well....i have been vocal against conservatives for the same issue in the past....but this is not about pointing fingers it is about making a choice not to do anything for 9 plus years.... Our days as a lagard nation are almost gone....we are going to be forced to step up to the minimal standard.. It is my military and always will be, my obligations did not end when i retired, my oath does not have an expiration date....many retired RCR's are very connected to the Regiment, still going to mess dinners, still attending BN functions, even used as source of information to developed new tactics or teach old ones...Now maybe being in the SAR tech family they just give you one retirement dinner and you're gone...not so in the Infantry, we are a Royal up until we die and have a regimental funeral.... Federal government has responsibilities to the people of Canada to ensure it borders and Canadians are safe.. once this is done then they can spend on fancy social programs....because they failed we see the result in the US tariffing the f*ck out of us right now...Those are the priorities... those are the basic bills that must be paid...and while they may not be popular they still are priority, before anything else... we will see in the near future exactly what it is going to cost Canadians to bring this responsibilities to the forefront... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Maybe you can show me where i berated anyone in this post........... Just by your constant complaining about the military.... The military is it's people as well as it's equipment. It is my perception that when you mention the military, it is to complain about it. Edited March 9 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Just by your constant complaining about the military.... The military is it's people as well as it's equipment. It is my perception that when you mention the military, it is to complain about it. Well there is lots to complain about the military, the fact the entire country has been doing it for well decades, and i'm not the only once there been 5 or 6 generals doing the same thing a few of them are still serving...your the one with your head in the sand, when everything that is wrong with the military is due to this liberal government, nothing gets fixed unless people start complaining and others take action.... what do you care it's not your military, but for me Thats not my choice both my son and daughter are serving and i want don't them to face the same life threatening things i did...i know what a f*cking idea to still care about the institution that gave me everything.... Like i said before theri is the ignore feature you don't have to read anything that i post, nor am i forcing you to reply....just let it go man....you do this with most posters , just use up pages upon pages saying nothing really except trade barbs...I'm not here for that...have a good day sir... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 Just now, Army Guy said: Well there is lots to complain about the military, ... what do you care it's not your military, .... Like i said before theri is the ignore feature you don't have to read anything that i post,.... ..have a good day sir... You just proved my point. It is not my military anymore and like I said, it was very good to me and to what I did for Canadians So, you say I should ignore you?? Difficult thing when you are on many threads and bombast the military every chance you get. You also have a good day 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: You just proved my point. It is not my military anymore and like I said, it was very good to me and to what I did for Canadians So, you say I should ignore you?? Difficult thing when you are on many threads and bombast the military every chance you get. You also have a good day you proved nothing, most of your posts your complaining about something, now you don't like what i have to say and want to shut it down....sorry little fella it ain't going to happen, you can grin and bear it or ignore me....i will continue to point out the military's shortfalls until someone fixes them.... RCR's have a saying NEVER PASS A FAULT..... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 (edited) 14 hours ago, Army Guy said: you proved nothing, most of your posts your complaining about something, now you don't like what i have to say and want to shut it down....sorry little fella it ain't going to happen, you can grin and bear it or ignore me....i will continue to point out the military's shortfalls until someone fixes them.... RCR's have a saying NEVER PASS A FAULT..... I am saying your posts are complaining about the military, your own posts prove that. Not shutting you down, just saying. I have no doubt you will continue to complain about the military. An Airman also says, EVER PASS A FAULT. Cannot allow an aircraft crash. As the thread topic says "Never forget we are Canadian" and that includes all the serving Military people doing what they do with what they got....and doing it well too. Edited March 10 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 (edited) 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I am saying your posts are complaining about the military, your own posts prove that. Not shutting you down, just saying. I have no doubt you will continue to complain about the military. An Airman also says, EVER PASS A FAULT. Cannot allow an aircraft crash. As the thread topic says "Never forget we are Canadian" and that includes all the serving Military people doing what they do with what they got....and doing it well too. Thats the problem with you , you fail to see the dangers in going into battle with equipment my father used during his service, I've seen first hand soldiers die because the equipment is sub par, made by the cheapest bidder...Had you experience that you most likely would have a much different opinion about what is complaining and what is asking for change. You are doing just that, if not why even mention it...don't worry it is the last sign of becoming a liberal.... Not even the same thing.... Yes, imagine what they could do with modern equipment, or get this bringing back capabilities we have lost which is to many to list , imagine what they could do with new PMQ's and family centers, imagine what they could do with pay raises, imigine what they could do with money for training, imagine what they could do with the respect from Canadians... Canada has forgotten about our military long ago, they have forgotten to have their backs when our government mistreated them, Today there is a resurgence of bringing our military to the forefront, and it is not from Canadians it is from Trump, and pour NATO allies, Canadians are being forced to look at our current state because they have been slapped in the face...and would much rather have a high speed rail, or another social program....So don't puff your chest out and tell me what the post really is about, when Chadians have long forgotten that we even have a military... Canada’s defense is in crisis and Trump just made it worse Anpother guy complaining , this guy is an air force guy... go figure... Edited March 10 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 (edited) 22 hours ago, Army Guy said: Thats the problem with you , you fail to see the dangers in going into battle with equipment my father used during his service, I.... ... Yes, imagine what they could do with modern equipment, or get this bringing back capabilities we have lost which is to many to list , imagine what they could do with new PMQ's and family centers, imagine what they could do with pay raises, imigine what they could do with money for training, imagine what they could do with the respect from Canadians... Canada has forgotten about our military long ago, .... Seems to me that Americans, Russians, Chinese, Israelis with the best equipment in the world die on the battlefield too. We have danced around the military pay before. Most civilians would be more than happy to get what the military person gets. When Joe Blow walks in off the street he makes $43K per year as an untrained private up to $63K per year 4 years later, that's pretty good. As a journeyman, 4 years in they make $72K per year and up. The pay scales tells a lot. https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/benefits-military/pay-pension-benefits/pay/regular.html#toc0 They pay is much higher than most civilians earn for equivalent work (yes, there are no soldiers in civvy world except for mercenaries but most occupations have civilian counterparts.)..and not all military are front line combatants (which get a lot extra money for going into zones or being deployed, members receive a tax-free salary while deployed on international operation). The Canadian military has over 100 occupations.... most are non combatant occupations. It is also a lot higher pay than American forces. Also, what company has to subsidize it's employees in housing?? Or provide social services extra to what anyone else can get? Don't give me the "poor military person" BS. EDIT: Just to add, in my former SAR world, the government felt that the military support staff (mechanics etc) were too expensive and therefore contracted out to a civilian organization (IMP Aerospace) all SAR helicopter maintenance. It is doing the same with with Fixed Wing SAR aircraft coming on stream this year (to Pal Aerospace) and the the military aspect will be aircrew only. All to save money because the troops cost too much. Edited March 11 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 (edited) On 3/10/2025 at 5:06 PM, ExFlyer said: Seems to me that Americans, Russians, Chinese, Israelis with the best equipment in the world die on the battlefield too. We have danced around the military pay before. Most civilians would be more than happy to get what the military person gets. When Joe Blow walks in off the street he makes $43K per year as an untrained private up to $63K per year 4 years later, that's pretty good. As a journeyman, 4 years in they make $72K per year and up. The pay scales tells a lot. https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/benefits-military/pay-pension-benefits/pay/regular.html#toc0 They pay is much higher than most civilians earn for equivalent work (yes, there are no soldiers in civvy world except for mercenaries but most occupations have civilian counterparts.)..and not all military are front line combatants (which get a lot extra money for going into zones or being deployed, members receive a tax-free salary while deployed on international operation). The Canadian military has over 100 occupations.... most are non combatant occupations. It is also a lot higher pay than American forces. Also, what company has to subsidize it's employees in housing?? Or provide social services extra to what anyone else can get? Don't give me the "poor military person" BS. EDIT: Just to add, in my former SAR world, the government felt that the military support staff (mechanics etc) were too expensive and therefore contracted out to a civilian organization (IMP Aerospace) all SAR helicopter maintenance. It is doing the same with with Fixed Wing SAR aircraft coming on stream this year (to Pal Aerospace) and the the military aspect will be aircrew only. All to save money because the troops cost too much. Not even sure what you're implying here, that obsolete equipment is just as worthy as the latest modern equipment is....Well lets take a look at the 1 st gulf war, US abrams tanks did not suffer any losses to Iraq's T-72 was that just luck, maybe iraqi tankers were shitty shots, or maybe the M-1 abrams was a much superior tank....i got examples if you need them....modern equipment saves lives, it gives an advantage on the battlefield why would you not want that for our military people, why do you hate them so much.... Well you danced, i showed you a few things one that we are the second highest paid military in the world....But i can show you dozens of examples of military trades not up to civilian counterparts income.... MP's do not make 1/2 of what local policing departments or RCMP make....lets not even talk about what RCMP officers made in Afghanistan for their teaching jobs....thats after some joe walked off the street and put in 4 years as a officer where they start off at 71,000 a year and within 36 months up to 115,000....Note this is base pay not including any benefits over time etc.... https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/salary-and-benefits Government is looking at ways to bring their spending to 2.% of GDP this would be on e option, pay raises...plus new benefits more in line with the RCMP Every Canadian citizen is free to apply for the forces, or for that matter any public service job. with exception of those not medical qualified...Forces are crying for people, can take in thousands....Not many civilians jobs meet any Military standards....No over time, you could be forced to work days on end no nappy, very few are asked to sign on to unlimited liability, meaning doing your job could result in your death...so your comparison is not even close to the truth , I'm starting to think your career was totally in the office on the ground. Anyone regardless of trade while in a conflict zone is in danger of losing life and limb...take a look of that Buffalo flight over Syria, that was shot down those men and women were on a peace keeping mission....so cut the crap and down playing risks military members face on a regular basis... Yes americans get paid less, but they also have many benefits that we do not, subsidized housing, family health care plan, education plans, subsidized food, cloths, house hold furnishing everything available in their PX. plus many more... Many companies provide free housing for employees , like the oil patch,US military, most other militaries... Canada use to until someone complained now PMQ rent is based on what ever the local economy is charging... for homes built in the early 50's Also the military need housing to fulfill need of the military, since no one gets a choice of where they get posted take edmonton alberta, not many service members can afford a million dollar plus home on civvy street, so they stay in PMQ's of which there is a limited amount...it use to be a rule so many members had to be in PMQs so they could be recalled faster, very few people actually lived off base....today housing has outpaced soldiers wages, like in toronto, edmonton, Vancouver, ETC...again why do you hate them so much...besides this is another option that even our military and liberal government has agreed to invest in...i think they would know much better than you or i.... Well SAR equipment is not going to war is it....having civy maintain equipment is a huge red flag, if we need to save money....maybe it is because Aircraft mechs are hard to come by, the army and navy are not the only ones feeling a man power crunch....Troops do cost a lot, hence why we need to increase our budget and fulfill our NATO obligations, not to mention all the other agreements we have signed on to... Edited March 12 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Radiorum Posted March 13 Author Report Posted March 13 On 3/6/2025 at 7:21 PM, User said: You are not doing shit. You are doing just enough to watch Ukraine lose and then cry because Trump wants to end the war. You wanting to watch Ukrainian men die slowly for years is disgusting. If you want more war, do more. I started this thread as a statement of Canadian pride. How apropos for the arrogant American to invade the thread and attack us. 1 Quote
User Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 16 minutes ago, Radiorum said: I started this thread as a statement of Canadian pride. How apropos for the arrogant American to invade the thread and attack us. You don't get to talk about being attacked or arrogance when you and others are constantly down in the American side of the forum doing the same. That is exactly why I am up here. You deserve every bit of the criticism I am dishing out here. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 Our current predicament illustrates a problem inherent in sharing a monarch. Britain may welcome Trump on a royal visit while that nincompoop is openly threatening another of Charles’s realms. Quote
User Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Our current predicament illustrates a problem inherent in sharing a monarch. Britain may welcome Trump on a royal visit while that nincompoop is openly threatening another of Charles’s realms. Diplomacy is more than chopping your nose off to spite your face. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 (edited) 42 minutes ago, User said: Diplomacy is more than chopping your nose off to spite your face. But you see the problem, right? If we had our own exclusive monarch or head of state we would a) see an awful lot more of them and b) avoid having them welcome a current enemy of our state who wants to destroy Canada. Edited March 13 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
CdnFox Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: But you see the problem, right? If we had our own exclusive monarch or head of state we would a) see an awful lot more of them and b) avoid having them welcome a current enemy of our state who wants to destroy Canada. At the same time we wouldn't have anybody who could reach out and be a bridge. It would be no different than having our own prime minister which we already do. There is value in having an intermediary who is friendly with both sides and to whom both sides will listen. But I have to admit I am somewhat underwhelmed at Britain's apparent lack of support. Of course for all we know there may be furious activity in the background Quote
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