robosmith Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 ㊙️ They Will Not. Dow drops nearly 650 points on worries about Trump's ... PBS https://www.pbs.org › newshour › economy › dow-dro... 3 hours ago — The S&P 500 dropped 1.8 after Trump said there was “no room left” for negotiations that could lower the tariffs set to begin Tuesday for imports ... Stocks Post Biggest Loss of the Year on Trump's Tariff Plans The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › business › stock-market-today 2 hours ago — The S&P 500 fell 1.8 percent on Monday after President Trump doubled down on plans to impose 25 percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico ... Missing: big | Show results with: big Wall St closes lower as Trump sets 25% tariffs, ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com › markets › futures-edge-up-w... 2 hours ago — Wall Street's main stock indexes closed sharply lower on Monday after President Donald Trump announced the start of 25% tariffs on Canada .. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 souls are forged by crucible ; hard times breed better men 1 Quote
Legato Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 15 hours ago, robosmith said: ㊙️ They Will Not. Dow drops nearly 650 points on worries about Trump's ... PBS https://www.pbs.org › newshour › economy › dow-dro... 3 hours ago — The S&P 500 dropped 1.8 after Trump said there was “no room left” for negotiations that could lower the tariffs set to begin Tuesday for imports ... Stocks Post Biggest Loss of the Year on Trump's Tariff Plans The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com › business › stock-market-today 2 hours ago — The S&P 500 fell 1.8 percent on Monday after President Trump doubled down on plans to impose 25 percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico ... Missing: big | Show results with: big Wall St closes lower as Trump sets 25% tariffs, ... Reuters https://www.reuters.com › markets › futures-edge-up-w... 2 hours ago — Wall Street's main stock indexes closed sharply lower on Monday after President Donald Trump announced the start of 25% tariffs on Canada .. There is no right wing in Canada everyone's left of the hot dog stand, even the beer stand has some Bud Lite left. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) 1 minute ago, Legato said: There is no right wing in Canada everyone's left of the hot dog stand, even the beer stand has some Bud Lite left. Nope, you won't see Bud Lite or any other US booze on Canadian shelves. Edited March 4 by Aristides 1 Quote
Legato Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Nope, you won't see Bud Lite or any other US booze on Canadian shelves. US has booze? Quote
Aristides Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, Legato said: US has booze? Well, they call it booze. I'm not a bourbon drinker, don't like US beer and have been boycotting US wine for years. Quote
robosmith Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 27 minutes ago, Legato said: There is no right wing in Canada everyone's left of the hot dog stand, even the beer stand has some Bud Lite left. There are too many Canuck right wingers POSTING HERE. Stop LYING, TROLL. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Legato said: US has booze? THEY think so. 54 minutes ago, robosmith said: There are too many Canuck right wingers POSTING HERE. Stop LYING, TROLL. Wow, 2 responses in and you're already triggered 2 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
impartialobserver Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 If i was in Canada, I would boycott as much US goods as I could reasonably do. I do not find that these tariffs are justified. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 I'm using lee enough in the long run this will probably be a very good thing for Canada. It will certainly be a time of difficulty and in the short and medium term it's going to hurt not just because of the tariffs but because of what we will have to do to fight the tariffs. More debt and a recession most likely. But it could very well lead to a revitalization of Canada in the medium to long term. The erasure of many trade barriers between provinces for example, rebuilding of our own military and moving away from American military equipment, increased trade with other countries, building up of canadian businesses and industry, etc. A painful way to learn a lesson but not a bad lesson to learn. In the meantime i don't think even conservatives in the south are going to think this is a very good idea for long. There's nothing "conservative' about tarrifs, generally speaking conservatives view them as another 'tax" like carbon tax etc. They hurt the free market. Trump is trump. You can't really think of him as a 'representative of conservatives', he has some conservative policies and others that are kind of at odds with conservatives. 3 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: If i was in Canada, I would boycott as much US goods as I could reasonably do. I do not find that these tariffs are justified. well that's what's happening and it's actually surprising to see how widespread it is. And of course Canada will launch counter tariffs. And canada may even put export tarrifs on things like power and oil. The us needs our electricity and oil, they buy a LOT of it. Well see. Nobody wins a trade war but it seems like Canadians are willing to suffer to make sure we don't lose it either. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
impartialobserver Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) Tariffs are a great idea if you can produce the goods domestically with little to no adjustment. Its a way for the US in this case to stimulate production of these goods instead of getting them from Canada or wherever. Crude oil, auto parts, machinery, lumber, and construction hardware are the biggest exports from Canada to the US. Some of these are difficult to produce and so ramping up US production of them is not going to be seamless. In the meantime, Canada can easily sell these essential goods elsewhere. Edited March 4 by impartialobserver 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Tariffs are a great idea if you can produce the goods domestically with little to no adjustment. Generally if that's the case then you don't need tariffs in the first place. The industries will tend to grow locally anyway. If I can buy a computer chip from a guy 10 blocks down the road versus someone across an ocean and it's the same chip at about the same price I'm going to do that. where tariffs can be valuable is places like where the government is subsidizing an industry and then that industry sells to America. For example if brazil is growing oranges and the Brazilian government cuts the price of oranges in half because of subsidies and then Brazil wants to sell to California and Florida, that's a problem. A tariff may be a way to level that playing field and force the Brazilian government to stop the subsidy , or at least force them to the table to talk What trump is trying to do is to scare every American company around the world or every company that supplies to America around the world into moving their businesses to America out of fear that trump or someone else will one day impose tariffs again and they will be locked out of that market. he is artificially trying to put his thumb on the free market in America's favor and that generally works out very badly. His rhetoric doesn't help either. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
gatomontes99 Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 26 minutes ago, CdnFox said: THEY think so. Wow, 2 responses in and you're already triggered He's like the liberal version of Dr. Banner. He's always triggered. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
impartialobserver Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Generally if that's the case then you don't need tariffs in the first place. The industries will tend to grow locally anyway. If I can buy a computer chip from a guy 10 blocks down the road versus someone across an ocean and it's the same chip at about the same price I'm going to do that. where tariffs can be valuable is places like where the government is subsidizing an industry and then that industry sells to America. For example if brazil is growing oranges and the Brazilian government cuts the price of oranges in half because of subsidies and then Brazil wants to sell to California and Florida, that's a problem. A tariff may be a way to level that playing field and force the Brazilian government to stop the subsidy , or at least force them to the table to talk What trump is trying to do is to scare every American company around the world or every company that supplies to America around the world into moving their businesses to America out of fear that trump or someone else will one day impose tariffs again and they will be locked out of that market. he is artificially trying to put his thumb on the free market in America's favor and that generally works out very badly. His rhetoric doesn't help either. He is trying to make it so where the goods are produced domestically instead of being imported. That sounds great but it takes more than talk to build factories, employ people, and establish distribution networks. He only has 4 years and if the Dems gain ground in the midterms in 2026.. that could slow his roll (so to speak). If the next president is a Democrat.. they will undo this and then the damage is done. I get it.. there is a reason that we import Tequila from Mexico. Sure, it could be made in the US or even Canada. All you need is Cactus, yeast, and water. To produce this in the US would come at the expense of something else. it is the gains from trade/opportunity cost that you learn in Principles of Microeconomics. There is a reason that we import these goods from Canada (listed above) and it is not due to laziness/stupidity or anything like that. Quote
robosmith Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 36 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Wow, 2 responses in and you're already triggered Stop LYING CdnLIAR Just cause I tell you to stop LYING does NOT mean I am "triggered," ^this just means you're an a-hole. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: He's like the liberal version of Dr. Banner. He's always triggered. Sure, but instead for some reason he turns blue, shrinks to the size of pee wee herman and starts smashing his lego deathstar model and his caps lock keys like he's some sort of hyper teen having a bad puberty outburst. It's like he's the Incredible Sulk. "These are the facts robo" "WAT!!! ME no LIKE dese FACTS! ROBO SULK SMASH!! FEEL muh CAPS LOCK!!! U wrong BEcAuSe FOX NEWS! BLARG!!!" I mean how is that helpful? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 These tariffs won't benefit anyone in the short-term. It's possible that the loss of work will destroy some families who were already living paycheque-to-paycheque after the last 4 years of economic hardship. This is the last thing that anyone needed right now. Who stands to benefit, and by how much? I don't think anyone does, really. Sure, maybe Canada will become more self-reliant, but that comes at a cost of no longer being on the friendliest of terms with the US. Maybe this all gos away quickly, or maybe I'll one day find myself explaining to my grandkids how there was a time that Canada and the US were the best of friends, and they're in shock. What I'm really waiting to see is how many Ford, Ram, and GMC trucks are sold in Western Canada over the next few years. I could see that number quickly falling to almost nothing. A guy could probably make some money buying lightly used Toyota trucks from south of the border and driving them up north if this crap goes on too long. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
CdnFox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, robosmith said: Stop LYING CdnLIAR Just cause I tell you to stop LYING does NOT mean I am "triggered," ^this just means you're an a-hole. The fact that you ARE triggered means you're the a-hole bud Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: These tariffs won't benefit anyone in the short-term. It's possible that the loss of work will destroy some families who were already living paycheque-to-paycheque after the last 4 years of economic hardship. This is the last thing that anyone needed right now. Who stands to benefit, and by how much? I don't think anyone does, really. Sure, maybe Canada will become more self-reliant, but that comes at a cost of no longer being on the friendliest of terms with the US. Maybe this all gos away quickly, or maybe I'll one day find myself explaining to my grandkids how there was a time that Canada and the US were the best of friends, and they're in shock. What I'm really waiting to see is how many Ford, Ram, and GMC trucks are sold in Western Canada over the next few years. I could see that number quickly falling to almost nothing. A guy could probably make some money buying lightly used Toyota trucks from south of the border and driving them up north if this crap goes on too long. I heard an auto industry expert on the radio saying that if this goes on for more than a week with full tariffs the car industry will face complete collapse in Canada. It might be that we wind up making our own cars or something or significantly expanding chinese or Japanese car manufacturing 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: The fact that you ARE triggered means you're the a-hole bud No, it's the FACT that you're a LIAR and have been ever since you got here, "bud" Congrats on being the FIRST ever on my ignore list due to your lying. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 Lefties, FYI: Just because this tariff crap is going on, and it will just heap more economic hardship onto the last 4 years, doesn't mean that we would have been better off with Kamala as president. There's a heavy price to be paid for selling out your country year after year after years after year, and constantly growing weaker. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I heard an auto industry expert on the radio saying that if this goes on for more than a week with full tariffs the car industry will face complete collapse in Canada. It might be that we wind up making our own cars or something or significantly expanding chinese or Japanese car manufacturing I think that there has always been a hefty tariff on cars from Asia due to old auto-pact deals that we have with the US. If so, we should lower those tariffs while we're not buying them from America. I can't imagine buying a Ford, Dodge, GM or Tesla any time in the next 20 years. Edited March 4 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Aristides Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 53 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I think that there has always been a hefty tariff on cars from Asia due to old auto-pact deals that we have with the US. If so, we should lower those tariffs while we're not buying them from America. I can't imagine buying a Ford, Dodge, GM or Tesla any time in the next 20 years. Not just those. There are plenty of imports made n the US as well. Certain VW’s, BMW’s, Nissans, Hyundais etc . You will have to do your research before buying any model if you want to avoid the US. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Lefties, FYI: Just because this tariff crap is going on, and it will just heap more economic hardship onto the last 4 years, doesn't mean that we would have been better off with Kamala as president. There's a heavy price to be paid for selling out your country year after year after years after year, and constantly growing weaker. The US grew stronger under Biden because of of Trump's gross mismanagement of COVID causing so many excess deaths. Do I need to detail AGAIN all the super-spreader events for which Trump was responsible? 1 Quote
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