eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 16 hours ago, Nationalist said: Except...Starmer won't be lifting a gawd-damn thing. If Europe and/or Canada send "peacekeepers" before a peace deal it struck, they'll be slaughtered. Warms your cockles thinking about it doesn't it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 25 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If their problem was NATO then they either have to sit down and negotiate with NATO seriously about the issues and come to an agreement or go to war with NATO. Nothing in that video justifies what they've done to Ukraine. Not from your POV, no. You don't see NATO as a threat because you live inside the NATO propaganda bubble like the rest of us. You get your news filtered through western media and social media fact-checkers like the rest of us do. But from Russia's POV, NATO are militarily and economically aggressive liars and bullies. Why isn't Nato expanding into Mexico? If Canada can be in NATO, why not Mexico? Australia? Brazil? Cote D'Ivoire? Japan? South Korea? Would China let NATO into Japan? Taiwan? So why does NATO aggressively court little Georgia, so far east that it's partly in Asia? Why do they want them? Does the addition of Georgia to NATO really make NATO stronger, or do we court them for another reason? And what might that be? NATO's job right now is to bully and economically strangle Russia. Say what you want, but that's what we're up to. The US tried to pull Ukraine into the fold, and Russia said enough is enough. Good for them. F Ukraine. F Zelenski. If you can't be a good neighbour, take your lumps and don't cry to me. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: The US can withdraw without grandstanding, and keep their international relations intact. America's right wing doesn't want to. They'd rather watch international relations go up in flames. 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Warms your cockles thinking about it doesn't it? No I think it would be tragic. See...unlike you, I value life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For instance, it would never even occure to me to disallow or even make illegal, your right to voice your opinion. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 16 hours ago, Nationalist said: Except...Starmer won't be lifting a gawd-damn thing. If Europe and/or Canada send "peacekeepers" before a peace deal it struck, they'll be slaughtered. It's not up to Europe, Canada or NATO to send peacekeepers to Ukraine. If anyone was to do that it would be the UN, and it wouldn't make sense to send enemies of Russia to be peacekeepers there. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 8 hours ago, User said: Trump is trying to negotiate peace. Are you not interested in that? He's trying to force appeasement. It doesn't faze you a bit that all your old allies are utterly disgusted? 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: America's right wing doesn't want to. They'd rather watch international relations go up in flames. https://www.rferl.org/a/nato-future-us-commitment-brussels-ukraine-pushback/33334657.html Enjoy... 7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: It's not up to Europe, Canada or NATO to send peacekeepers to Ukraine. If anyone was to do that it would be the UN, and it wouldn't make sense to send enemies of Russia to be peacekeepers there. You have a point there. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: He's trying to force appeasement. It doesn't faze you a bit that all your old allies are utterly disgusted? 😂 It's always worth a laugh to hear what CBC Radio is saying. P.S.: Sorry to hear that your Dear Leader is walking away. Your poor little heart must feel like a flower floating out to sea on an iceberg. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 18 minutes ago, Nationalist said: No I think it would be tragic. See...unlike you, I value life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. For instance, it would never even occure to me to disallow or even make illegal, your right to voice your opinion. Sure it would be tragic. Unlike you I say better dead than Putin and Trump divvying up the world. It would certainly occur to Trump's buddy Putin. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Sure it would be tragic. Unlike you I say better dead than Putin and Trump divvying up the world. It would certainly occur to Trump's buddy Putin. https://allthatsinteresting.com/operation-gladio Welcome to NATO unmasked. https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3964113-eu-offers-its-own-minerals-deal-to-ukraine-politico.html And the EU backstabbing the US. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: P.S.: Sorry to hear that your Dear Leader is walking away. Your poor little heart must feel like a flower floating out to sea on an iceberg. He's your leader too. I feel just fine. It's about time. I never voted for him. I could care less but I'm glad your little heart is content imagining otherwise. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: https://allthatsinteresting.com/operation-gladio ...yawn... the CIA was so desperate to thwart the spread of communism that it partnered with everyone from right-wing terrorists to the Vatican to the Mafia I was posting shit like this 25 years ago sonny. Your dad was probably calling me a commie sympathizer for doing so. 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Welcome to NATO unmasked. https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3964113-eu-offers-its-own-minerals-deal-to-ukraine-politico.html Good, the US has it coming. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 (edited) 48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Not from your POV, no. You don't see NATO as a threat because you live inside the NATO propaganda bubble like the rest of us. While it's true and I'm aware that there's obviously going to be a subconscious bias I'm actually thinking about it more along the lines of reasons that have been accepted to go to war in the past. They had not exhausted their diplomatic options, Ukraine had committed no offense, Ukraine at the time of invasion was no threat. It is quite reasonable to say that by the standards of the time the invasion was not justified. Quote You get your news filtered through western media and social media fact-checkers like the rest of us do. Lets not do the 'You're too dumb to understand" thing. Quote But from Russia's POV, NATO are militarily and economically aggressive liars and bullies. Lets accept that they are for the sake of this argument. Quote Why isn't Nato expanding into Mexico? If Canada can be in NATO, why not Mexico? Australia? Brazil? Cote D'Ivoire? Japan? South Korea? Would China let NATO into Japan? Taiwan? There are answers for all of those some of which aren't relevant. But at the end of the day Nato which is mostly european sees russia as the primary threat to it's existence. Russia tends to see nato the same way. But the us isn't invading any countries over it. 48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Does the addition of Georgia to NATO really make NATO stronger Sure, it's strategically located and that makes it an asset. It makes it harder for Russian aggression into europe. But let's say for a moment that wasn't true and that it's sole purpose was to allow for the possibility of incursions into Russia. The correct response is a political and diplomatic one with nATO. Not the invasion of Georgia Quote NATO's job right now is to bully and economically strangle Russia. Say what you want, but that's what we're up to. The US tried to pull Ukraine into the fold, and Russia said enough is enough. Good for them. F Ukraine. F Zelenski. If you can't be a good neighbour, take your lumps and don't cry to me. what you appear to be saying there is that russia started the war because they felt that the possibility that someday ukraine may be part of NATO was a threat rather than to look at a strong diplomatic solution. But that brings us back to my original point. Ukraine at the time of the invasion was no threat, ukraine at the time of the invasion had done no wrong and had not done any of the things that you've suggested NATO has and Ukraine absolutely has a right to consider military allies if it feels threatened by Russia which obviously it has reasons to feel that way about giving their past. so Russia might possibly arguably have been justified in launching a war of aggression against NATO but not Ukraine. there's no reasonable justification for this attack. Edited March 4 by CdnFox Quote
CdnFox Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 49 minutes ago, eyeball said: Warms your cockles thinking about it doesn't it? Stop obsessing about other men's cockles. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: ...yawn... the CIA was so desperate to thwart the spread of communism that it partnered with everyone from right-wing terrorists to the Vatican to the Mafia I was posting shit like this 25 years ago sonny. Your dad was probably calling me a commie sympathizer for doing so. Good, the US has it coming. So then why would you support NATO expansion? Why should anyone be beholden to either the EU or NATO? What has Russia ever done to threaten you? It's a rhetorical question because the honest answer is...nothing. Why should the 2 greatest military powers on Earth, not be allies? Would that not create a lasting peace? Edited March 4 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Nationalist said: https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3964113-eu-offers-its-own-minerals-deal-to-ukraine-politico.html And the EU backstabbing the US. Ewww, now there is competition Trump won't be able to rape them like he planned. Well played EU. Now that Trump is threatening to abandon Ukraine, who do you think they will choose? Do you think the arrogant fvck has overplayed his hand maybe? Edited March 4 by Aristides Quote
Nationalist Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Ewww, now there is competition Trump won't be able to rape them like he planned. Well played EU. Today Trump removed all financial support for Ukraine. Do you really think the EU can maintain this war? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Today Trump removed all financial support for Ukraine. Do you really think the EU can maintain this war? I know you are jumping up and down and celebrating but yes, I think they can. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 2 hours ago, eyeball said: I was posting shit like this 25 years ago sonny. LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Today Trump removed all financial support for Ukraine. Do you really think the EU can maintain this war? It's a really good question. To date the EU has donated more than the US, it's true, but still they only represent about 60% or so of the money given to you crane and even that wasn't enough to win the war. In fact it's barely enough arguably to not lose the war. A 40% reduction in financing will not be easy to make up and they will have to be extremely strategic about how they do it What they really need more than anything is the one thing they havent' had so far and that's a reasonable exit strategy to end the war. It is true that the war has strained russia terribly and if they can keep bleeding the russians they may improve their bargaining position, but at the end of the day they're still going to have to have something that works for all parties. And that will have to include some sort of vision for a post war circumstance that protects Ukraine without threatening Russia. I guess if they're willing to increase spending AND willing to ramp up production to something close to a wartime footing AND if they come up with some sort of endgame which would allow them to focus their money and efforts today to achieve then they might be able to make something happen. But while i'm confidient something like that COULD happen i'm extremely doubtful they'll get together and pull it off. 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) On 3/3/2025 at 1:11 AM, CdnFox said: Starmer says Europe ‘must do heavy lifting’ as he seizes Ukraine peace talks from Trump Wow. Thats kind of a big deal. It's hard to imagine a more international slap in the face for trump. and his credit with Putin will have just taken a nose dive. Just for curiosity sake I would have loved to see what trump was going to present, but now I guess we'll never know. It'll be interesting to see what Europe proposes. I suspect we will have peacekeeping Missions in the not too distant future I suspect we won't. I think the following 2 paragraphs from an article written by Larry Johnson is a clear sign that this war is coming to a close: ** What a day. The fallout from Friday’s rumble in the Oval Office continues and it is not good news for Ukraine. Although Zelensky caught some love from a motley collection of Eurocrats over the weekend in London, it was meaningless. More empty promises from European countries with no military clout and floundering economies, all vowing to support Ukraine, maybe. The UK’s Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, promised to provide troops and planes to secure a peace in Ukraine and then, moments later, conceded it would only be done if the US provided firm security guarantees. Trump already has said, “NO,” to that proposal and is not going to reverse position. Then, late this afternoon, news broke that Trump had pulled the plug on providing further military and financial assistance to Ukraine. While Trump suggested this might be only a temporary hold, provided that Zelensky get on his knees and return to the Oval Office to kiss Trump’s ass, I think it is unlikely that the Kievan Cocaine Cowboy will wipe the white powder from his nostrils, clear his head, and apologize to Mr. Trump. Zelensky is too far gone. ** Full article: https://sonar21.com/trump-pulls-the-plug-on-further-aid-to-ukraine/ Things were hard enough with the United States' help. Without it, I'd be surprised if the war lasts until the end of the year. Perhaps some isolated pockets of resistance from the Neo Nazis that played such an integral role in getting it all started in 2014. Edited March 4 by Scott75 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 6 hours ago, Aristides said: I know you are jumping up and down and celebrating but yes, I think they can. We may just get a chance to see. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Scott75 Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: 8 hours ago, Aristides said: ...I think they can. We may just get a chance to see. Indeed. Quote
User Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 11 hours ago, eyeball said: He's trying to force appeasement. It doesn't faze you a bit that all your old allies are utterly disgusted? Yes, he is trying to force a peace deal. He ran on not continuing on with the status quo of supporting Ukrainian war with Russia forever. Quote
Boges Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 It's cool to see US arms makers stocks tank and European arms makers flourish. Trumpers are too stupid to realize that they've been sending money that stays in the US by supporting Ukraine. Sending US arms makes Americans money. But that's socialism I guess. 1930's style isolationism didn't work for the US. The one time America was Great is when it reached out to the rest of the world. Trump is doing the opposite of MAGA. Quote
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