CdnFox Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) Starmer says Europe ‘must do heavy lifting’ as he seizes Ukraine peace talks from Trump Wow. Thats kind of a big deal. It's hard to imagine a more international slap in the face for trump. and his credit with Putin will have just taken a nose dive. Just for curiosity sake I would have loved to see what trump was going to present, but now I guess we'll never know. It'll be interesting to see what Europe proposes. I suspect we will have peacekeeping Missions in the not too distant future Edited March 4 by CdnFox Quote
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Starmer says Europe ‘must do heavy lifting’ as he seizes Ukraine peace talks from Trump Wow. Thats kind of a big deal. It's hard to imagine a more international slap in the face for trump. and his credit with Putin will have just taken a nose dive. Just for curiosity sake I would have loved to see what trump was going to present, but now I guess we'll never know. It'll be interesting to see what you're at proposes. I suspect we will have peacekeeping Missions in the not too distant future Except...Starmer won't be lifting a gawd-damn thing. If Europe and/or Canada send "peacekeepers" before a peace deal it struck, they'll be slaughtered. 1 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Except...Starmer won't be lifting a gawd-damn thing. If Europe and/or Canada send "peacekeepers" before a peace deal it struck, they'll be slaughtered. @Michael Hardner Would you care to refute what I said? Or are you just being childish? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 Maybe Trump will learn that bringing the used-car-salesman persona into the arena of international diplomacy doesn't quite work.... or maybe the world will learn something. Changing your mind every week isn't conducive to planning, when it needs to be done on a large scale. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Maybe Trump will learn that bringing the used-car-salesman persona into the arena of international diplomacy doesn't quite work.... or maybe the world will learn something. Changing your mind every week isn't conducive to planning, when it needs to be done on a large scale. Or...maybe Trump and Vance have destroyed little Comic-Boy's credibility and will actually ring in peace...as promised. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: Starmer says Europe ‘must do heavy lifting’ as he seizes Ukraine peace talks from Trump Wow. Thats kind of a big deal. It's hard to imagine a more international slap in the face for trump. and his credit with Putin will have just taken a nose dive. Just for curiosity sake I would have loved to see what trump was going to present, but now I guess we'll never know. It'll be interesting to see what you're at proposes. I suspect we will have peacekeeping Missions in the not too distant future Did you even read the article? He repeatedly said they must work with Trump, that Trump will review whatever deal they come up with... I have no idea what you are basing your conclusions on here. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 Russia clearly has missiles that are capable of hitting Kiev, NATO missile defences can't stop them, and they've already used them to target Kiev. It appears as though Britain, France and Germany aren't done with their proxy war. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Scott75 Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Or...maybe Trump and Vance have destroyed little Comic-Boy's credibility and will actually ring in peace...as promised. Good point. At the very least, I think Trump understands that any further escalations with Russia is an absolutely idi*tic course of action. Probably why he said this of Biden's helping Ukraine to bomb Russia: Trump says it was 'st*pid' for Biden to let Ukraine use US weapons to strike deeper into Russia | Yahoo News I did some digging and found that missiles were still being launched at Russia in January and early February, but it's my hope that this has finally stopped now that Trump and Putin have talked. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, User said: Did you even read the article? He repeatedly said they must work with Trump, that Trump will review whatever deal they come up with... I have no idea what you are basing your conclusions on here. He also said that they're giving Ukraine 5,000 more missiles. That's quite an escalation. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Scott75 Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: Russia clearly has missiles that are capable of hitting Kiev, NATO missile defences can't stop them, and they've already used them to target Kiev. It appears as though Britain, France and Germany aren't done with their proxy war. Yep. Just means it'll be even more embarassing for Europe as Russia continues to win on the battlefield. Quote
Matthew Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 The takeaway here is that the UK, like the rest of our former allies and trade partners, no longer can see the US as an ally. Trump and Vance now have us allying with Russia, North Korea, and German neo-Nazis. So much winning! 1 1 Quote
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 Just now, WestCanMan said: He also said that they're giving Ukraine 5,000 more missiles. That's quite an escalation. LOL Sure. Explain how this is "quite an escalation." 2 minutes ago, Matthew said: The takeaway here is that the UK, like the rest of our former allies and trade partners, no longer can see the US as an ally. Trump and Vance now have us allying with Russia, North Korea, and German neo-Nazis. So much winning! How is this the takeaway here? How are we allying with Russia, North Korea, and German neo-Nazis? Just baseless BS assertions. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Or...maybe Trump and Vance have destroyed little Comic-Boy's credibility and will actually ring in peace...as promised. Maybe ? They seem to now be off the negotiating team. People are starting to plan around them, which is exactly what I would expect to happen without clear messaging. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 53 minutes ago, Matthew said: The takeaway here is that the UK, like the rest of our former allies and trade partners, no longer can see the US as an ally. Canada doesn't, but I can't speak for anyone else. Quote Trump and Vance now have us allying with Russia, North Korea, and German neo-Nazis. So much winning! Sorry, that's just stupid on so many levels. brokering peace isn't "allying" with Russia this has nothing to do with NoKo there are basically zero Germans involved on either side, that's a weird insert into the topic the neo-Nazis involved in the war - the Azovs - fight for Ukraine. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Maybe ? They seem to now be off the negotiating team. People are starting to plan around them, which is exactly what I would expect to happen without clear messaging. If Europe thinks they can sustain Ukraine's war efforts...let 'em try. It'll fail though...if they even really try. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: If Europe thinks they can sustain Ukraine's war efforts...let 'em try. It'll fail though...if they even really try. Do you think Might Makes Right though ? Should we just shrug and accept these things ? The US can withdraw without grandstanding, and keep their international relations intact. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Do you think Might Makes Right though ? Should we just shrug and accept these things ? The US can withdraw without grandstanding, and keep their international relations intact. Might makes security. So depending on the side of the fence you're on, it makes right. Should we just shrug and accept that NATO has no business in this war? Should we just shrug and ignore that NATO and the USA provoked this war? As far as I'm concerned...and indeed all the Euros in my family and friends overseas...the EU and NATO are cancers on the population. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Maybe ? They seem to now be off the negotiating team. People are starting to plan around them, which is exactly what I would expect to happen without clear messaging. The message is crystal: "We're done with this war. Come back when you're serious about peace." Trump literally told Zelensky: "Come back when you're serious about peace." 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: The US can withdraw without grandstanding, and keep their international relations intact. Trump is trying to negotiate peace. Are you not interested in that? Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Canada doesn't, but I can't speak for anyone else. if Canada's actions met Canada's rhetoric, we'd be well into a Stage 4 mobilization for war, calling up the Supplementary Reserves by now yet notice that it is just business as usual instead ; let's blow $4 billion on a "study" of high speed rail with DND doubling down on DEI/2SLGBTQ+ as its core doctrine 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 39 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Should we just shrug and accept these things ? by this juncture, the British North America Act 1867 would mobilizing for war but the Canada Act 1982 is not that country anymore a Post National State without an identity has no more colours to rally around therein Quote
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: Or...maybe Trump and Vance have destroyed little Comic-Boy's credibility and will actually ring in peace...as promised. Clearly Zelenskyy has GAINED credibility by standing up to Trump and Putin. That's why the Europeans are in HIS CORNER. Duh Ceasefire is NOT peace and Zelenskyy knows that, unlike YOU. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Canada doesn't, but I can't speak for anyone else. Sorry, that's just stupid on so many levels. brokering peace isn't "allying" with Russia this has nothing to do with NoKo there are basically zero Germans involved on either side, that's a weird insert into the topic the neo-Nazis involved in the war - the Azovs - fight for Ukraine. Vance met with the AFD in Munich. And the AFD won a sizeable share of the German government. They ARE INVOLVED. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 15 minutes ago, robosmith said: Vance met with the AFD in Munich. And the AFD won a sizeable share of the German government. They ARE INVOLVED. The only people named by Matthew in his post were belligerents in that war, on Russia's side, and he didn't rattle off a list of all the other political parties that Trump's administration was bargaining with, so your post doesn't make sense. The Azovs are belligerents in that war, and they fight for/commit war crimes for Ukraine. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The only people named by Matthew in his post were belligerents in that war, on Russia's side, and he didn't rattle off a list of all the other political parties that Trump's administration was bargaining with, so your post doesn't make sense. The Azovs are belligerents in that war, and they fight for/commit war crimes for Ukraine. Of course they fight for Ukraine. What "war crimes"? Of course, Putin is WAGING A WAR CRIME, and sets that standard every time they bomb apartment buildings. Quote
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