Trump and Vance Loudly Rebuke Zelensky in Oval Office | The New York Times

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Russians were supporting those troops, and the troops were listening to the Kremlin, but there wasn't an official Russian invasion in 2019. The Russians only invaded in 2014 and 2022, while Obama and Biden were in the WH.

Do you ever get tired of being exposed as a clueless dumbass, Beavey?

Russia created, armed, trained funded and ultimately controlled those troops, many of whom were Wagner mercenaries or Russian regular army soldiers on secondment..   Why else would Russia have signed multiple ceasefire agreements with Ukraine over the years prior to 2022. 
 

As usual the only clueless dumbass is you

 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Read your own article, dumbass:

• The meeting was a bid to resolve a more than five-year conflict in eastern Ukraine between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces in which over 13,000 people have died.

Those numbers are soldiers from both sides , stupid. The only “slaughtering” ie mass killing of civilians has been done by Russian troops. 
 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

• way more Hamas than Israelis
• Hamas has shown over and over that peace deals, ceasefires, etc are only 5-10 yr weapons-replenishing breaks. 

1.so?

2.Putin has shown the same also. 
 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Moreso than Zelensky, 100%. 

What a joke you don’t give a shit about anything except worshipping Teump and now Putin

 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Russia will lock in that conquered territory, for certain. 

Just like you and Trump want 

 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Ukraine needs America more than Russia needs anything.

Russia needs China, North Korea and Iran NOW Trump is an accomplice to their coalition. 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Your indifference to facts shows what an ignorant cultist you are.

LMAO!!!  SAYS THE FUY WHO BELIEVES PUTIN PROPAGANDA 

Youve cited zero facts just a brutal dictators lies. And I know tou MAGA dumbasses like to throw around random words without thinking about wht they mean but any understanding od the word “cult” can’t apply to people who believe the widely held mainstream majority opinion. YOU are the one with the fringe views. YOU are the one who worships one man above all and allows him to define your reality. YOU are the one supporting a dictator and believing his propaganda over all facts. 
 

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Crimea river, Beave. Ukraine just lost a war, and there's nothing illegitimate about that.

What’s illegitimate is the propaganda Putin and his little biotch Trump tell to justify Putin’s Hitler-style illegal invasion and annexation of another sovereign country. Oh and you were probably born illegitimate too, weren’t you?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

It's not a matter of me being fine with it or not, I'm just stating a fact.

Do you have the same level of animosity towards Bill Clinton for his deferments?

I don't know that I would call myself one of Trump's biggest supporters. I do think he was a much better choice than Harris. Trump will get some things right and he'll get some things wrong. I'll praise him or criticize him on a case by case basis.

I haven't heard you criticize Trump for backing Putin to the hilt over the war HE STARTED and Trump LIED ABOUT. 🤮

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[Scott75]

7 hours ago, Reg Volk said:

Kamala Harris was a total embarrassment and one of the worst candidates the Democrats have ever run in their entire history.

Yep, but she was definitely good comedy material :-)...

 

 

[User]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Russia needs China, North Korea and Iran NOW Trump is an accomplice to their coalition. 

It is comical. You are just as bad with your stupid rhetoric as you sit here arguing against WestCanMan's for being. 

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

I haven't heard you criticize Trump for backing Putin to the hilt over the war HE STARTED and Trump LIED ABOUT. 🤮

Trump is not backing Putin let alone "to the hilt"

[ironstone]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

I haven't heard you criticize Trump for backing Putin to the hilt over the war HE STARTED and Trump LIED ABOUT. 🤮

He's not backing Putin. He is trying to end the war.

Putin invading Ukraine doesn't make me happy in any way. You should also consider the Russian perspective, as in the continuing expansion of NATO in Europe. 

U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University 

They said they would not expand to the east if the Russians agreed to German reunification. Russia did agree but the West did not honour it's side of the deal.

I am no fan of Russia or Putin but every side has it's own different perspective.

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

He's not backing Putin. He is trying to end the war.

He IS backing Putin, and ATTACKING Zelenskyy.  Trump STUPIDLY says he "trusts" Putin more than US Intel Services.

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Putin invading Ukraine doesn't make me happy in any way. You should also consider the Russian perspective, as in the continuing expansion of NATO in Europe. 

Putin CAUSED that expansion with HIS INVASION. You're naive if you believe NATO Ukraine on Russia's border was Putin's motivation. He's STEALING Ukraine's natural resources.

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University 

Russia guaranteed Ukraine's security and RENEGED.

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

They said they would not expand to the east if the Russians agreed to German reunification. Russia did agree but the West did not honour it's side of the deal.

Where did US arms get closer to Russia?

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I am no fan of Russia or Putin but every side has it's own different perspective.

You are a FOOL if you believe what Putin says. He is the world's biggest Kleptocrat and Ukraine is ripe for the stealing.

8 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Yep, but she was definitely good comedy material :-)...

 

 

As are YOU. LMAO

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Putin CAUSED that expansion with HIS INVASION. You're naive if you believe NATO Ukraine on Russia's border was Putin's motivation. He's STEALING Ukraine's natural resources.

1999-

Three former Warsaw Pact members were admitted into NATO: 

The Czech Republic (formerly Czechoslovakia) 

Hungary 

Poland 

2004-

2004 brought the largest increase in NATO members since the Alliance’s foundation. Perhaps even more notable, though, is republics formerly of the Soviet Union were now joining (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania). 

Bulgaria (formerly of the Warsaw Pact) 

Estonia 

Latvia 

Lithuania 

Romania (formerly of the Warsaw Pact) 

Slovakia  

Slovenia (successor to Yugoslavia) 

2009-

In 2009, NATO’s foothold in East Europe grew firmer: 

Albania (formerly of the Warsaw Pact) 

Croatia (successor to Yugoslavia) 

2017 and 2020-Montenegro, North Macedonia

NATO was expanding well before Russia invaded Ukraine

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, User said:

Trump is not backing Putin let alone "to the hilt"

How do you explain the virtually universal shocked reaction of America's allies around the world to the teachable spectacle that occured on Friday in the Oval office? Not to mention the obvious glee that Russians reacted with.

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

How do you explain the virtually universal shocked reaction of America's allies around the world to the teachable spectacle that occured on Friday in the Oval office? Not to mention the obvious glee that Russians reacted with.

How do you explain that what happened there was Trump backing Putin let alone to the hilt. 

 

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, User said:

How do you explain that what happened there was Trump backing Putin let alone to the hilt.

The obvious glee that Russians reacted with.

How do you explain the virtually universal shocked reaction of America's allies around the world to the teachable spectacle that occured on Friday in the Oval office?

[User]

Just now, eyeball said:

The obvious glee that Russians reacted with.

How do you explain the virtually universal shocked reaction of America's allies around the world to the teachable spectacle that occured on Friday in the Oval office?

How does their glee prove your assertion?

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, User said:

How does their glee prove your assertion?

It corroborates it to a degree that matches the shocked reaction of America's allies.

Why do you keep running away from my question about that shocked reaction?

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It corroborates it to a degree that matches the shocked reaction of America's allies.

Why do you keep running away from my question about that shocked reaction?

Why do you keep running away from your BS assertion?

[robosmith]

22 minutes ago, ironstone said:

NATO was expanding well before Russia invaded Ukraine

Why should Russia have veto power over what other nations want to do?

The reason Putin objects is because he wants to oppress them like BEFORE.

AKA, Russia cannot compete economically with the West.

Has West Germany moved US arms into the former East Germany?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, User said:

Trump is not backing Putin let alone "to the hilt"

Purin is CELEBRATING because HE DISAGREES with YOU.

Russia Is Already Celebrating Trump's Horrific Meeting ...

Yahoo

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4 days ago — Russian officials are salivating after Trump and JD Vance shouted at Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskiy in front of the entire world.

 

[User]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Purin is CELEBRATING because HE DISAGREES with YOU.

OK... and? Putin celebrating was not the claim or issue, nor is that a disagreement with me. 

 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, User said:

Why do you keep running away from your BS assertion?

I'm not. Are you're suggesting shock and glee are not apparent amongst any the reactions to last Friday's spectacle?

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Russia created, armed, trained funded and ultimately controlled those troops, many of whom were Wagner mercenaries or Russian regular army soldiers on secondment..   Why else would Russia have signed multiple ceasefire agreements with Ukraine over the years prior to 2022. 

As usual the only clueless dumbass is you

You're just proving what I said: "Russia didn't have the balls to openly invade Ukraine with Trump there, they felt the need to be sneaky about it, and they had to do the absolute minimum."

Thanks for comin' out out, stupid.

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Those numbers are soldiers from both sides , stupid. The only “slaughtering” ie mass killing of civilians has been done by Russian troops. 

You just seem addicted to proving how stupid you are. 

You're now admitting that 13,000 people died there, so there was war going on in Ukraine, with minimal input from Russia, before Russia officially joined.

And by acknowledging that the deaths were from both sides you're saying that ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine were dying - A LOT OF THEM. That's why Russia says that they entered the war in the first place.

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1.so?

2.Putin has shown the same also. 

1. So a cease-fire only benefits Hamas. It doesn't benefit Israel at all. Right now Israel is in the catbird's seat, with all of Hamas's booby traps and soldiers out of the way, and they're clearing up the extensive tunnel network. It's work that needs to be done. There's nothing that needs to be done in Ukraine - from Ukraine's "we need to get all our stuff back!" POV - that can be done without 50,000 more deaths. The land was lost, deal with it. The Ukraine in NATO thing has backfired for the meantime.

2. Putin has never shown anything of the sort. Putin is at war far less often than the US is, and that's in the continents that Russia actually lives on. 

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What a joke you don’t give a shit about anything except worshipping Teump and now Putin

Unlike you, I knew this war was gonna start before Biden even got elected. 

You're clearly not in a position to tell me why wars start or who's to blame for them. 

Unlike you I've consistently shown a willingness to end all of these wars, not a 100% involvement in keeping the killing going. You also thought that it was fine to just push and push and push Russia to the breaking point in Ukraine. You're clearly the warmonger here. 

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Just like you and Trump want 

That's what happens when wars are fought, dummy. Land is lost and won. 

Why did you keep on supporting the war if you didn't know what happens when wars end? 

If those things are so far beyond your ken then maybe opt out of the conversation, or be less supportive of them.

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Russia needs China, North Korea and Iran NOW Trump is an accomplice to their coalition. 

NATO is forcing Russia into that alliance. In case you missed it, this Ukrainian war pushed all of those guys closer together. 

In fact, as soon as Biden got elected, countries all over the world started ditching the US currency as the petro-dollar. That's basically a thing of the past now. 

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LMAO!!!  SAYS THE FUY WHO BELIEVES PUTIN PROPAGANDA 

You don't even know propaganda when it's coming out of your own mouth and ass, dummy.

All you said for 4 years was "WUSSHIN COWUSHIN! WUSSHIN COWUSHIN! WUSSHIN COWUSHIN!", and how much evidence of Trump colluding with Russia was ever found? 😂 ZERO, dumbass.

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Youve cited zero facts just a brutal dictators lies. And I know tou MAGA dumbasses like to throw around random words without thinking about wht they mean but any understanding od the word “cult” can’t apply to people who believe the widely held mainstream majority opinion. YOU are the one with the fringe views. YOU are the one who worships one man above all and allows him to define your reality. YOU are the one supporting a dictator and believing his propaganda over all facts. 

Blah, blah, blah.

Another baseless accusation from collusion-boy, who can't find a single actual point to even try to refute. 

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What’s illegitimate is the propaganda Putin and his little biotch Trump tell to justify Putin’s Hitler-style illegal invasion and annexation of another sovereign country.

Just listen to yourself: "Everything Biden says is 100% true and everything that Putin says is 100% propaganda! I know it for a fact!!!!"

Guess what you f'ing dummy. Everyone lies during war. Almost everything is propaganda. That's normal. 

We have propaganda, they have propaganda. 

You have to start with what you actually know, and work it all back from there. 

WE MADE A DEAL. WE DIDN'T HONOUR OUR DEAL, ON THEIR CONTINENT. PERIOD. 

WE TRIED TO FORCE NATO INTO UKRAINE AND GEORGIA, PERIOD. 

IF YOU THINK THAT THE US DIDN'T BACK EUROMAIDAN THEN YOU'RE A COMPLETE ID10T. 

IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT UKRAINE HAS NAZIS AND WAR CRIMINALS IN THEIR ARMY YOU'RE A COMPLETE ID10T. 

IF YOU DON'T THINK TAHT UKRAINIAN SHELLS HIT ETHNIC RUSSIAN HOMES IN THE DONBAS THEN YOU'RE AN ID10T.

There's just no talking with you Beave, because you're a little cultist child who can do nothing but spew CNN propaganda, even when it's blatant BS. 

There's no middle ground with you, it's all "CNN SAID!!!!" and everything else, which you will refuse like a drink of boiling lava. 

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Oh and you were probably born illegitimate too, weren’t you?

You're so classy, Beave. If your 'woman' doesn't do lap-dances in a club, I missed my guess. 

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I'm not. Are you're suggesting shock and glee are not apparent amongst any the reactions to last Friday's spectacle?

This has nothing to do with your BS assertion. 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, User said:

This has nothing to do with your BS assertion. 

What assertion, the glee or the shock? Those are the only assertions I made. They exist, and you can't deal with it.

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

What assertion, the glee or the shock? Those are the only assertions I made. They exist, and you can't deal with it.

If you are too dishonest to admit what your assertion was or have already forgotten, no worries. I already made my point. 

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, User said:

If you are too dishonest to admit what your assertion was or have already forgotten, no worries. I already made my point.

What I asserted is plain for anyone to see. The only point you're reinforcing is that you can't bear to look or answer a simple question related to it.

[Deluge]

48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The obvious glee that Russians reacted with.

How do you explain the virtually universal shocked reaction of America's allies around the world to the teachable spectacle that occured on Friday in the Oval office?

That's easy: The woke virus. The entire free world is infected with it, and Trump is furiously scrubbing it from the US. It's a bold plan, but it has to be done. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What I asserted is plain for anyone to see. The only point you're reinforcing is that you can't bear to look or answer a simple question related to it.

So you say. 

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

How do you explain the virtually universal shocked reaction of America's allies around the world to the teachable spectacle that occured on Friday in the Oval office?

There is a worldwide epidemic of people inflicted with TDS?