Who do you think is governing right now?

[Matthew]

By governing I am specifically referring to shaping government policy. Even on a good day this is not often clear in the US.

[User]

Another stupid thread. 

You titled this who is governing then run a poll asking who we think has the most influence. These are two different things. 

[Matthew]

40 minutes ago, User said:

You titled this who is governing then run a poll asking who we think has the most influence. These are two different things. 

They could be, but then again that's why I specifically defined what i meant by governing.

Edited February 19 by Matthew

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, User said:

You titled this who is governing then run a poll asking who we think has the most influence.

I would have said the voices in Trump's head but it wasn't on the list.

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Matthew said:

They could be, but then again that's why I specifically defined what i meant by governing.

How would you have answered that question during the Biden/Harris administration?

[CdnFox]

I didn't see "the ghost of Pee-wee Herman up there", I'm not sure this poll represents my views

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

By governing I am specifically referring to shaping government policy. Even on a good day this is not often clear in the US.

But the question is somewhat flawed to begin with. They all have different agendas you're suggesting that somehow there is only one agenda in play in the united states government. They all exert influence within their specific routes. The president has a lot of power, but that power is checked by the house, which is checked by the senate.

I think it's a very moment Trump is executing his agenda and obviously he has the most influence. However congress and the senate will flex their muscles in due time and that will impact different areas.

Right now only a handful of people can sign executive orders or vote on resolutions. Those are the people governing and those are the people that are shaping government policy. Anybody else who may be influencing them is conjecture at best. 

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

They all exert influence within their specific routes.

The question is which one you think has the most right now.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The president has a lot of power, but that power is checked by the house

That's adorable.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Trump is executing his agenda

His agenda? Ok, interesting interpretation.

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

How would you have answered that question during the Biden/Harris administration?

Corporate lobbyists have been by far the dominant influence in American policymaking for decades and still are #1 most likely. Though the billionaire squad is probably a close #2 but the scale of their impact is ultimately going to be narrower towards just the policies and industries that they will benefit from.

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[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

The question is which one you think has the most right now.

And it's flawed. As I pointed out. They're not terribly quick are you

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That's adorable.

And accurate. I know you've demonstrated before you don't really understand how the system works but it does work but pretty decent degree in that respect. 

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His agenda? Ok, interesting interpretation.

That's not an interpretation. Please don't use words when you don't know what they mean.

[Matthew]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And accurate.

Example of the current House using its power as a check against president trump?

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Example of the current House using its power as a check against president trump?

The ability to impeach, the ability to propose legislation, the ability to overrule his veto, many things he wants to do require a vote and they can vote for or against it etc etc etc.

In addition individual members can approach trump to discuss areas of concern or groups can or the house speaker can. And all of these things will be happening to one degree or another. For example if the republican house representatives become fearful that they may not be reelected to come the midterms they will certainly be expressing that to trump and his ability to pass legislation will hinge on their ability to win midterms so it has a significant impact

Look if you don't understand how the american governing system works then you really need to go have a chat with your high school teacher, rather than me.

[Matthew]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The ability to impeach, the ability to propose legislation, the ability to overrule his veto, many things he wants to do require a vote and they can vote for or against it etc etc etc.

In addition individual members can approach trump to discuss areas of concern or groups can or the house speaker can. And all of these things will be happening to one degree or another. For example if the republican house representatives become fearful that they may not be reelected to come the midterms they will certainly be expressing that to trump and his ability to pass legislation will hinge on their ability to win midterms so it has a significant impact

Ok, so nothing is your answer. Nothing is being done right now by the House to check the president.

Looks like you have nothing useful, interesting, or relevant to say about this topic (as usual).

[User]

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

Ok, so nothing is your answer. Nothing is being done right now by the House to check the president.

Looks like you have nothing useful, interesting, or relevant to say about this topic (as usual).

What needs to be done right now to check the president?

Last I checked, Congress has been checking the Presidents power through the Senates advise and consent powers evaluating and approving his cabinet picks. 

 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, ironstone said:

How would you have answered that question during the Biden/Harris administration?

Exactly.

We all know that during the 20 hrs while Biden was sleeping, napping, and not quite up to speed yet, someone/some group was making critical decisions and filling his teleprompter with words that he couldn't pronounce. 

He only had an hour or two of mostly lucid moments per day, that definitely wasn't enough to "run the country". 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But the question is somewhat flawed to begin with. They all have different agendas you're suggesting that somehow there is only one agenda in play in the united states government. They all exert influence within their specific routes. The president has a lot of power, but that power is checked by the house, which is checked by the senate.

I think it's a very moment Trump is executing his agenda and obviously he has the most influence. However congress and the senate will flex their muscles in due time and that will impact different areas.

Right now only a handful of people can sign executive orders or vote on resolutions. Those are the people governing and those are the people that are shaping government policy. Anybody else who may be influencing them is conjecture at best. 

He's pretending not to notice the plethora of executive orders that Trump signed, which clearly turned the entire country in a different direction over the past 30 days.

• "Duh, who makes desishins? I don't see who runs countree. Maybe "Voters and organized citizen groups" or "Influences from outside the US"? Like, maybe Gazans want to be run off thayr land, so they're secretly controleing Trump? Maybe Panamanianstons don't want their canal ennymore?"

[User]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Exactly.

We all know that during the 20 hrs while Biden was sleeping, napping, and not quite up to speed yet, someone/some group was making critical decisions and filling his teleprompter with words that he couldn't pronounce. 

He only had an hour or two of mostly lucid moments per day, that definitely wasn't enough to "run the country". 

The greatest scandal of my lifetime. The coverup only made it worse. 

We all knew for years Biden was no competent to be President and his handlers ignored that, hid it, and ran the Presidency with him like it was The Weekend at Bernies. 

The mainstream media covered for it all as well until somehow, someone, could not stop Biden from debating Trump and it became so apparent they couldn't hide it any longer. 

Then the really outrageous thing? Is that they got rid of Biden on the ticket, but then everyone just ignored the fact that he was still the President. If he was not competent enough to run for President, he should have been removed as President. 

I still remember watching the video of him wandering off on the White House lawn and having to be told be several Secret Service agents to no, go this way... then he wanders off that way, then another agent had do step in front of him and point him to go that way... 

[Chrissy1979]

Putin is obviously in charge. 

[User]

10 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Putin is obviously in charge. 

Obviously not. 

[WestCanMan]

21 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Putin is obviously in charge. 

Nope, it's Carlton from the Fresh Prince. His dance can actually control people's minds. 

This is all Elvis's fault. His hip-gyrations ruined 'Murica. 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Matthew said:

Ok, so nothing is your answer. Nothing is being done right now by the House to check the president.

Looks like you have nothing useful, interesting, or relevant to say about this topic (as usual).

So I explained it clearly and rather than cope with the simple facts I gave you which are easily verified you choose to lie about what I said and argue with that instead.

Looks like you've gone full retarded again. As usual

[Matthew]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

someone/some group was making critical decisions

Trump not even hiding that he's ceding major executive branch decisions to a literal unelected, unconfirmed, billionaire twitter troll.

Republicans threw a fit in the 90s over a first lady in a healthcare policy initiative because she was neither elected nor confirmed by the senate.

[Nationalist]

Lol...

'You guys didn't like Hilary.'

No sh1t Sherlock! Nobody likes Hilary. Not even ol' Slick-Willy.

[Matthew]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

the plethora of executive orders that Trump signed, which clearly turned the entire country in a different direction

I've read all 68 of these so far. They are overwhwhelmingly theatrical. With a few noteworthy exceptions, they are very light in actual policy impact.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

Trump not even hiding that he's ceding major executive branch decisions to a literal unelected, unconfirmed, billionaire twitter troll.

Republicans threw a fit in the 90s over a first lady in a healthcare policy initiative because she was neither elected nor confirmed by the senate.

Buddy, every president delegates responsibility to other people. It's normal. It would be stupidity for him to just try to do everything himself. 

After you knew that Biden ran scams to get his son rich in Burisma and China you didn't question his integrity, but you don't even know that there's anything wrong with Musk, yet here you are assuming there is.