Army Guy Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 On 2/24/2025 at 12:02 PM, User said: This is so backwards. Canada forces quotas to control prices, which drives up the cost of all dairy products. They have import quotas and pretty much outright block US from selling any dairy at all. What the US does is buy excess production in America at going market rates so the dairy industry doesn't completely collapse due to insanely cheap prices. Not even saying what America does is great, but it is certainly vastly better than what Canada is doing and that is why your prices are higher and why all the Canadians I know near the border purchase a ton of dairy products down here when they do along with picking up all their packages they have shipped to border communities... It is true Canada does control pricing and they do have import quotas, but according to data the US market has failed to meet those quotas for free trade under USMCA agreements....the question should be why...If they are not meeting the free exchange of dairy goods, there is no real reason to complain about the high tariffs, which are ridiculous to start with ranging around 300 % more. Here in Canada if a farmer exceeds his quota of milk produced, they dump it in the drain...however they pay for said quota and it is not cheap...you can under produce your quota but not sell any milk over your quota. As for crossing the border i know dozens of people that do just that for many food items, dairy is one of them, i used to drive to St Stevens NB about 45 min drive from my home buy food , milk and cheese, and gas up and return home and still save on those bills...even with the exchange rate....have not done it in a while but lots of people still doing it, the savings are not what the used to be.. I find American milk taste better... https://farmonaut.com/canada/usmca-dairy-trade-5-key-impacts-on-us-canada-tariffs Quote President Donald Trump correctly noted that Canada maintains tariffs above 200% on certain dairy products imported from the US. However, it’s crucial to understand that these high tariffs only apply to imports exceeding the duty-free quota limits established by the USMCA. Within these quotas, US dairy products can enter Canada without facing such prohibitive tariffs. Interestingly, as acknowledged by the US dairy industry, American exporters have not been hitting their allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy products. In many categories, including milk, US exports are not even reaching half of the zero-tariff quota. This underutilization suggests that factors beyond tariffs are influencing the dairy trade dynamics between the two countries. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 You're arguing with a guy that supports tariffs which drive up prices and reduce competition and consumer choice with not a single benefit to anyone. As you pointed out, they were given a quota and haven't even used it. MOF they used a loophole for shredded cheese to dominate the pizza supply here and pretend that 'doesn't count'. Take allok at the similar Egg Marketing Boards, where here in the boonies where we pay 'Alaska" prices, they never passed $6 Cdn a dozen. Oooo hurst us just s much.... NOT Make a better product and maybe if we ever stop going out of our way not to buy American again, you may have a valid gripe. Instead of believing every word that lying sack of shit President pulls out of his arse as truth. Quote
August1991 Posted June 21 Author Report Posted June 21 Herbie, This issue may break federal Canada as we know it: https://nationalpost.com/news/senate-passes-bill-to-protect-supply-management-from-any-future-trade-deals International Trade? Let's see. IMHO, federal institutions are unanimously passing a law to favour one region (while the law hurts all other regions). When Pierre Trudeau managed to pass his 1968 Bilingual Act, it was not unanimous. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 21 Report Posted June 21 50 minutes ago, August1991 said: Herbie, This issue may break federal Canada as we know it: https://nationalpost.com/news/senate-passes-bill-to-protect-supply-management-from-any-future-trade-deals International Trade? Let's see. IMHO, federal institutions are unanimously passing a law to favour one region (while the law hurts all other regions). When Pierre Trudeau managed to pass his 1968 Bilingual Act, it was not unanimous. Supply management is indeed going to be a sticky subject. The so called "milk mafia" is a powerful lobby group and exerts a strong political presence all across the country. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
August1991 Posted June 21 Author Report Posted June 21 19 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Supply management is indeed going to be a sticky subject. The so called "milk mafia" is a powerful lobby group and exerts a strong political presence all across the country. All federal parties (without exception) voted for this. To my knowledge, no single sitting federal house member, no single federal senator voted against. ====== This is your tell that an institution is corrupt. Quote
August1991 Posted June 21 Author Report Posted June 21 I suspect that the BQ (and the PQ) want to expose the corrupt federal system. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 21 Report Posted June 21 6 hours ago, August1991 said: All federal parties (without exception) voted for this. To my knowledge, no single sitting federal house member, no single federal senator voted against. ====== This is your tell that an institution is corrupt. Well it's not a test of whether or not the institution is corrupt or not so facto. I mean I'm sure they would all agree to keep the military too that doesn't mean the military is corrupt. It probably is but that's not an indication of it. It does however mean that the industry plays a strong role in their writings and they don't want to go against them. One does not easily oppose the milk mafia Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
August1991 Posted Monday at 04:43 AM Author Report Posted Monday at 04:43 AM On 6/21/2025 at 10:50 AM, CdnFox said: Well it's not a test of whether or not the institution is corrupt or not so facto. I mean I'm sure they would all agree to keep the military too that doesn't mean the military is corrupt. It probably is but that's not an indication of it. It does however mean that the industry plays a strong role in their writings and they don't want to go against them. One does not easily oppose the milk mafia. .... I kinda disagree. If every sitting member votes for something, I reckon the fix is in - certainly on a money, trade vote. Quote
August1991 Posted Monday at 04:48 AM Author Report Posted Monday at 04:48 AM People in Alberta and Saskatchewan cannot sell their oil abroad. And they cannot buy milk/cheese from abroad. This regime is not sustainable. Quote
CdnFox Posted Monday at 05:30 AM Report Posted Monday at 05:30 AM 44 minutes ago, August1991 said: I kinda disagree. If every sitting member votes for something, I reckon the fix is in - certainly on a money, trade vote. Well it probably just means that their constituents for the most part want them to vote a certain way. Or at least their base does, It doesn't mean there's anything unethical or fixed going on. Employee management is something that's near and dear to an awful lot of people and like I said the milk Mafia it's a very strong political force with both parties and supply management is an extremely integrated portion of our economy right now. It would be possible to untangle it but no small matter. It's kind of like neither party would support abandoning or abolishing unions, it would be political death. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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