Trump Tower - Gaza

[gatomontes99]

Trump Proposes U.S. Take Over Gaza, Level It and Build Resorts

Only Trump would say that. Level the trash, build back new and make it so all the locals benefit. Good jobs. Better homes. Something positive for their lives. It's genius.

[robosmith]

53 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Trump Proposes U.S. Take Over Gaza, Level It and Build Resorts

Only Trump would say that. Level the trash, build back new and make it so all the locals benefit. Good jobs. Better homes. Something positive for their lives. It's genius.

It's outright ETHNIC CLEANSING and THEFT, and never going to happen. MBS will slap Trump down.

[gatomontes99]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's outright ETHNIC CLEANSING and THEFT, and never going to happen. MBS will slap Trump down.

No it's not.

Is moving people out of here, ethnic cleansing?

[godzilla]

15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

No it's not.

Is moving people out of here, ethnic cleansing?

move to... where?! hahahaha!

i thought it was absolutely fabulous too! give the Palestinians everything they've ever wanted... their own country!

until i realized that the whole plan meant that they had to go somewhere else. all 2.3 million of them.

doesn't Trump realize that this has been attempted hundreds of times in the last 50 years? no one will take them.

large numbers of persian americans voted for Trump to protest the Bidens support of Israel. boy are they regretting it today.

Edited February 5, 2025 by godzilla

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, godzilla said:

move to... where?! hahahaha!

i thought it was absolutely fabulous too! give the Palestinians everything they've ever wanted... their own country!

until i realized that the whole plan meant that they had to go somewhere else. all 2.3 million of them.

doesn't Trump realize that this has been attempted hundreds of times in the last 50 years? no one will take them.

large numbers of persian americans voted for Trump to protest the Bidens support of Israel. boy are they regretting it today.

And that was gd stupid. Anyone with a brain should know that Trump would give Netanyahu EVERYTHING he wants.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 2/5/2025 at 12:00 AM, gatomontes99 said:

No it's not.

Is moving people out of here, ethnic cleansing?

Given that you and your closest ally did all that damage, yes. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

He’s not even drunk when he comes out with this all stuff about Gaza, another crazy Asian war in the making. The leaders of Egypt and Jordan have three choices. 

 

1. Publicly disagree with Trump and cease to be an ally.

 

2. Publicly agree with Trump and cease to be a living human in short order.

 

3. Pull a Chrétien, mutter incomprehensibly and pray the whole thing goes away da bedder da sooner. 

 

Option 3 looks wise. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Given that you and your closest ally did all that damage, yes. 

Right, because they were the only side fighting in that conflict  

Gaza did nothing, they were just sitting there minding their business playing a quiet game of checkers when suddenly that happened. Nothing to do with them. 🙄 

Let me guess. You're one of those people who thinks October 7th was justified. 

In any case, they can't really move back there can they. The whole area is gilligans island, no homes no lights no motorcars, not to mention no hospitals no infrastructure no nuthin. 

Trump's idea may or may not be a good one but letting them go back and telling them to try to live in that mess is more cruel than just shooting them. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Right, because they were the only side fighting in that conflict  

Gaza did nothing, they were just sitting there minding their business playing a quiet game of checkers when suddenly that happened. Nothing to do with them. 🙄 

Let me guess. You're one of those people who thinks October 7th was justified. 
 

No. Of course not. Who said any of that? Do I have to ritually reiterate that I don’t support Hamas every time I post here? For the umpteenth time, I am not a Hamas supporter. Theocratic death cults aren’t my thing. 

 

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

In any case, they can't really move back there can they. The whole area is gilligans island, no homes no lights no motorcars, not to mention no hospitals no infrastructure no nuthin. 

Trump's idea may or may not be a good one but letting them go back and telling them to try to live in that mess is more cruel than just shooting them. 
 

 

 

The practicalities of what can happen there are beyond our pay grade. What I object to is the way Trump talks about it. Notice how he uses the passive voice for that extraordinary level of destruction eg, things are demolished. The active agents of the destruction - the country that made the bombs and handed them over, the country that used the bombs - is often not spelled out. That’s one big problem with aerial warfare - its savagery is at a remove and those responsible can have difficulty seeing their role even if they would otherwise want to. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

No. Of course not. Who said any of that? 

 

You did. You distinctly said that the destruction is one-sided. You claimed the Israelis did it all as if it wasn't a conflict with two sides.

You didn't mention the attack that precipitated it, you didn't mention the militants fighting in those streets that led to them being turned into rebel, I noticed you neglected to comment on the rockets being fired from the rooftops.

If you want to recant now that's fine but that is absolutely what you said.

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I am not a Hamas supporter.

Just hate the Israelis then?

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The practicalities of what can happen there are beyond our pay grade. What I object to is the way Trump talks about it. Notice how he uses the passive voice for that extraordinary level of destruction eg, things are demolished. The active agents of the destruction - the country that made the bombs and handed them over, the country that used the bombs - is often not spelled out

The active agent is Hamas. They started the war, they chose to hide behind the civilian population and build hundreds of miles of tunnels under the cities that required demolition, they could have surrendered at any time.

Trump was not the president, nor did the person who was the president start the war or dictate the conditions

I get that trump is generally irritating for many people to listen to and that's fair. But what is not fair is to suggest that somehow the united states is responsible for some sort of humanitarian crisis as a result of two countries engaging in a conflict that the other side started.

[WestCanMan]

On 2/4/2025 at 6:25 PM, gatomontes99 said:

Trump Proposes U.S. Take Over Gaza, Level It and Build Resorts

Only Trump would say that. Level the trash, build back new and make it so all the locals benefit. Good jobs. Better homes. Something positive for their lives. It's genius.

Not so much that part. 

He wants other ME countries to take in the Gazans, but he doesn't know how much the Gazans are hated by other ME countries. 

Arabs have a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" relationship with Palestinians: they support the Gazans in their blood feud against the Jews because they hate Jews and they're deeply offended by the existence of a Jewish state, but they don't want Gazans in their own countries any more than they want warts on their genitals. 

Jordan was kind enough to take in 300,000 Palestinian refugees in the '60s, and they were repaid with a violent attempt at regime change by the Palestinians. "If you want a violent revolution, just take in some Palestinian refugees." 

Edited February 11, 2025 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

On 2/4/2025 at 7:44 PM, godzilla said:

large numbers of persian americans voted for Trump to protest the Bidens support of Israel. boy are they regretting it today.

WTF were they thinking? Did they honestly think that Trump was going to suddenly become a huge proponent of islamic terrorism just to go against Joe Biden?

"Duuuuhhhh, I forgive the terrorist attack on Oct 7th and I don't care about the hostages (some of them American), I just wanna see the Jewish homeland burned to the ground and all its people either dead or enslaved!" - The islamic Americans' dream president.

I hope that I'm wrong, but Trump might be fixin' to put a huge 'damper' on Iran's nuclear program. 

Edited February 11, 2025 by WestCanMan

[Black Dog]

On 2/4/2025 at 8:30 PM, gatomontes99 said:

No it's not.

Is moving people out of here, ethnic cleansing?

 

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Not so much that part. 

He wants other ME countries to take in the Gazans, but he doesn't know how much the Gazans are hated by other ME countries. 

Arabs have a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" relationship with Palestinians: they support the Gazans in their blood feud against the Jews because they hate Jews and they're deeply offended by the existence of a Jewish state, but they don't want Gazans in their own countries any more than they want warts on their genitals. 

Jordan was kind enough to take in 300,000 Palestinian refugees in the '60s, and they were repaid with a violent attempt at regime change by the Palestinians. "If you want a violent revolution, just take in some Palestinian refugees." 

Not just hate it but also distrusted.

Israel will retaliate against any violence directed at Israel, regardless of the source. So if you move a bunch of these people into Egypt, how long before they decide to build rockets and shoot them at Israel from Egypt? And now Israel will bomb Egypt in retaliation.

These people clearly have no problem crapping in their own living room and don't mind the smell. They cause trouble wherever they are, as we have found out. Why would anyone want to take them?

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Not just hate it but also distrusted.

Israel will retaliate against any violence directed at Israel, regardless of the source. So if you move a bunch of these people into Egypt, how long before they decide to build rockets and shoot them at Israel from Egypt? And now Israel will bomb Egypt in retaliation.

These people clearly have no problem crapping in their own living room and don't mind the smell. They cause trouble wherever they are, as we have found out. Why would anyone want to take them?

For the wokeness points that goes along with it, obviously. Didn't our woketard PM already ask for 10,000 of them? 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

For the wokeness points that goes along with it, obviously. Didn't our woketard PM already ask for 10,000 of them? 

Yet another example of how woke kills folk. We stuck with safe supply because it was wokethe death rate shot through the roof. We ate the rich so that the poor would benefit because it was woke and now the poor are starving even more and there's a lot more of them. We take in terrorists and violent extremists because it's woke and guess what?

This is why everyone is done with the woke

[gatomontes99]

Well, it worked:

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(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump backed off his threat to withhold US aid for Jordan after King Abdullah II agreed during a White House meeting to accept 2,000 ill children from Gaza.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-eases-off-aid-threat-jordan-to-take-ill-gaza-children/ar-AA1yQfWc

Abdullah also agreed to help rebuild parts of Gaza.

How many of you think any Dem or Rep would have gotten that? This is just step 1. But it's moving.

[impartialobserver]

this has no chance of ever happening.  As other posters have pointed out, they would simply find other ways to attack. Ok, so you remove everyone from Gaza (at incredible cost to the US) and then rebuild it. The still angry Palestinians/Arabs would simply find other ways to attack. What should really be done is to find a way to educate the younger population that Israel is not the colonizer. Second, they should work on creating a more favorable situation with the irrigation water in Palestine (not Gaza). Those two would keep the proverbial pot from always being ready to boil over at any minute. 

[Aristides]

Good place for young Americans to die. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

this has no chance of ever happening.  As other posters have pointed out, they would simply find other ways to attack. Ok, so you remove everyone from Gaza (at incredible cost to the US) and then rebuild it. The still angry Palestinians/Arabs would simply find other ways to attack. What should really be done is to find a way to educate the younger population that Israel is not the colonizer. Second, they should work on creating a more favorable situation with the irrigation water in Palestine (not Gaza). Those two would keep the proverbial pot from always being ready to boil over at any minute. 

I think that the point of this exercise is to have 1 less flank for the Israelis to guard. 

Right now 1% of the muslim world is on a small portion of Israel's SW border with Gaza, which probably accounts for 5% of their total border, but probably 25% of their soldiers are there. 

There's also an extensive tunnel network under Gaza that might take a really long time to fully clear out. 

I think it's risky to contaminate the rest of the muslim world with the insane level of hatred that's been inculcated in the Gazan population, but the Gaza experiment was a complete failure for 80 years. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Good place for young Americans to die. 

You'd never know it from seeing the way that Gazans like to live, but Gaza is one of the most naturally beautiful places on earth in terms of the landscape and climate.  

I don't think the plan is for Americans to work/live there alongside Gazans. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

You'd never know it from seeing the way that Gazans like to live, but Gaza is one of the most naturally beautiful places on earth in terms of the landscape and climate.  

I don't think the plan is for Americans to work/live there alongside Gazans. 

 

Do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah will stand still for this? More like Make Americans Targets Again. Everywhere, not just Gaza.

Americans will  bleed so Trump can enlarge his real estate empire.

Edited February 11, 2025 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

Do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah will stand still for this? More like Make Americans Targets Again. Everywhere, not just Gaza.

 

You think they're holding back right now?

I think trump's plan is nanners because nobody's going to want those people, but I don't think fear about Hamas or Hezbollah should guide our thinking.

[WestCanMan]

22 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Do you really think Hamas and Hezbollah will stand still for this? More like Make Americans Targets Again. Everywhere, not just Gaza.

Americans will  bleed so Trump can enlarge his real estate empire.

Do you really think that victory or a 2-state solution in Gaza will placate them? They'll always want more. You're a 2nd- or 3rd-class citizen in the eyes of muslims. They only fake tolerance of you when you're in a position of power, otherwise your women will all be wearing hijabs or getting raped. There are probably 30 countries like that on the planet right now. 

I'd rather get things going than wait around and see how this could play out in 100 years. 

[Aristides]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You think they're holding back right now?

I think trump's plan is nanners because nobody's going to want those people, but I don't think fear about Hamas or Hezbollah should guide our thinking.

Americans should because it will be their blood that will be spilt to help build Trump’s personal empire. How are they going to keep Hamas out without a large military presence and they will find holes in that. I plan on wearing a Canadian flag again if I travel in Europe. I don’t want to be a target because of that greedy pr!ck.