CdnFox Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 10 hours ago, betsy said: We can do tit-for-tat, sure. Trump will raise the tariff even more. We'll raise ours to match his. How long are we gonna be able to keep it up? As long as it takes. Unless we actually want to become a 51st state and probably with no voting rights at this rate then either we win or draw in this fight. It's as simple as that. Will keep it up for as long as we want our own country Meanwhile the Americans will pay more and more of a price. The entire auto sector in the states is going to shut down in about a week. We are the number one customer for many of the states and all of a sudden their products are going to get less and less in demand and they are going to feel it. Gas prices will continue to go up and up after trump promise to bring them down. And Mexico and China are going to put a drain on him as well as prices for those products go up and demand goes down. And he has midterms in 15 months. If the public is unhappy and he loses the house and the senate the democrats will find a reason to impeach him I guarantee it and he will be gone. If public opinion in the states turns against him that's what's going to happen and he's aware of that threat. This is no different than an invasion. If someone attacked our country and tried to take over our territory how hard would we fight? We would fight to the last battle, the last man and the last bullet, and Canadians have always been that way. If we did things your way we would have lost Canada in 1812. We didn't start this fight but one way or another no matter what it takes we have to finish it Quote
paradox34 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 19 hours ago, PIK said: Nothing we did was going to please Trump. This could backfire on Trump and Smith in long run. We need to be united, Canadians have never backed down from a fight before. But do we have that backbone anymore? Nonsense! Canada's economy will not survive a trade war with the US. The EU is already on shaky ground. I doubt it survives the next four years. Who will we trade with? The despots of the world? Russia? China? India? The Islamic supremacists? Canada needs the US market. We need a NA economic union. Edited February 2 by paradox34 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: well perhaps Pierre Poillievre might consider leading from the front is this the Conservative Party of Canada, or not ? what would Stephen Harper do ? When he's prime minister he can lead. Thanks to trudeau, we won't be in a position to make that happen for quite a while. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Yes Harper was the man. I don’t think Canadians appreciated him at the time. Trudeau beat him on the image front, but Poilievre would do well to play it smart like Harper. Substance over style. Be unapologetic about Canadian culture and institutions. well Doug Ford has blown right by Poillievre federal governance is in complete disarray Doug Ford is running as the Prime Minister of Ontario like Alberta, Ontario is acting as an independent Dominion at the moment but Doug Ford is a Loyalist of Upper Canada, to the bone I should call his office and let them know this is not about economics, this is war wrap yourself in the Red Ensign rally round the Colours go to the monument upon Queenston Heights the Fenians are once again at the gates invoke the monarchy, as the sword & the shield The Maple Leaf Forever 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 51 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Are you talking about out tariffs or theirs? I know their tariffs, which are across-the-board, will do this. The idea behind ours is to target appropriate imports. The idea is to target industries in Trumpland. No, Trumps idea is to target the American consumers. Canada can not, in any way, influence American industry. LOL Our tariffs only make our product and necessity needs cost more. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 4 hours ago, I am Groot said: The US already has a 25% tariff on China. There were other, fairly legitimate, reasons for putting tariffs on China already. This round of tariffs was explicitly linked to fentanyl. Edited February 2 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 3 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said: You haven't figured out it has nothing to do with the border yet? No, you couldn't be that dumb. It's because you guys want to tear down western democracy. You're not true Canadians and real Canadians will remember who the traitors are. What's your real country of allegiance? Fron your crippled English, I'm guessing China A quick Google search shows you all you need to know about the "border crisis" with fentanyl and illegals. It reminds me of the Weapons of Mass Destruction" inn Iraq lie. Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 20 minutes ago, CdnFox said: When he's prime minister he can lead. Thanks to trudeau, we won't be in a position to make that happen for quite a while. Aaaaand, what can he do??? Except blow smoke like hi has been doing LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Zeitgeist Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 33 minutes ago, paradox34 said: Nonsense! Canada's economy will not survive a trade war with the US. The EU is already on shaky ground. I doubt it survives the next four years. Who will we trade with? The despots of the world? Russia? China? India? The Islamic supremacists? Canada needs the US market. We need a NA economic union. Canada is no longer a country of 20 million people. We’re reaching a size comparable to European powers like Britain and France, meaning that we can be the market for more of our own products. We will have to reduce interprovincial trade barriers and do more production in-house, including refining our oil, doing our own military production, etc. It will be an expensive transition, but if the country mobilizes behind it, the long-term prospects are huge as Canada’s population reaches 60 million over the next few decades. Chrétien was great at opening new trade markets and signing trade agreements with South American countries and Europe. We can take advantage of American belligerence and unreliability by being the honest broker in international affairs. It gives us an opportunity to reset trade relationships and to be much more transactional in our dealings with other countries, including the U.S. Personally I think this is all expensive and unnecessary. I think Trump and the Canadian government should make a positive case for opportunities for economic union with the U.S., but if Trump is playing this as 51st state or die, whether Canada wants it or not, both countries are in for a rough ride, and the result will be a more divided continent. Canada will revive in ways that could be worse for the US. Making Canada poorer and/or angrier would just kill a big market for US goods, which Canadians would avoid buying. 16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: well Doug Ford has blown right by Poillievre federal governance is in complete disarray Doug Ford is running as the Prime Minister of Ontario like Alberta, Ontario is acting as an independent Dominion at the moment but Doug Ford is a Loyalist of Upper Canada, to the bone I should call his office and let them know this is not about economics, this is war wrap yourself in the Red Ensign rally round the Colours go to the monument upon Queenston Heights the Fenians are once again at the gates invoke the monarchy, as the sword & the shield The Maple Leaf Forever Ford has been a surprisingly strong politician, perhaps on the level of Bill Davis. Edited February 2 by Zeitgeist Quote
CdnFox Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: No, Trumps idea is to target the American consumers. Canada can not, in any way, influence American industry. LOL Our tariffs only make our product and necessity needs cost more. That is absolutely not true. When you take energy out of the equation we actually have a trade deficit with America. In other words we buy more from them than they buy from us. And for the majority of states we are their number one customer, and for a reasonable number of them we are one of the number one suppliers of power. We absolutely can affect their Industries. Absolutely. In fact if you watch the car industry in the united states over the next few weeks I think you'll see suddenly they aren't building very many cars. What trump wants is to tell the car manufacturers that this means that they should bring back the manufacturing from Canada to the united states. But they can't do that overnight. So he'll try to get commitments from them and then ease the tariffs to allow them to go back to business provided they keep those commitments. Trump is not a push to bring as much manufacturing back to America as humanly possible. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 55 minutes ago, CdnFox said: As long as it takes. Unless we actually want to become a 51st state and probably with no voting rights at this rate then either we win or draw in this fight. It's as simple as that. Will keep it up for as long as we want our own country But don’t forget that statehood does include voting rights, both for the federal government in Washington and for the state’s or states’ legislatures. There’s a lot of value in U.S. citizenship. The complications that would have to be worked out are that certain federal policies wouldn’t have to apply to Canada on matters such as healthcare and gun rights, because the Canadian public would reject giving up those and maybe a few other policies that were federal in Canada. That’s a hard pill for Americans to swallow, especially if some of those things are better than what the U.S. has, such as pharmaceutical costs. Also the Republicans would oppose additional Democrat power. Economic Union, with the free movement of goods, services, labour, and residents, I think is viable. It means maintaining a border and two separate countries, but both populations would probably go for it if the case was explained properly. Leave voting out for citizens residing outside their home country. We would need to work out any kind of monetary union though. I don’t how or if the currency could change for either or both countries. Edited February 2 by Zeitgeist Quote
eyeball Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 11 hours ago, betsy said: We can do tit-for-tat, sure. Trump will raise the tariff even more. We'll raise ours to match his. How long are we gonna be able to keep it up? Let's be realistic and practical with how we deal with this. I still think Danielle Smith has the best solution: The best solution is to jack the cost of our oil to the US up to 100%. This'll pay for the pipelines Danielle Smith is proposing - which would largely employ a lot of Albertans to build btw. Not to mention 100% would really hit Americans the hardest more quickly than anything else we can throw at them. Edited February 2 by eyeball 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 37 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Be unapologetic about Canadian culture and institutions. exactly in the face of the Stars & Stripes, you need symbols of power to rally around and that is not going to be the Canada Act 1982 the Canada Act 1982 is the Liberal Party of Canada's poison pill wherein the Liberal Party of Canada replaced Canada with their own dogma Post National State Multiculturalism I'll tell you right now, nobody in HM Royal Canadian Infantry Corps ever killed & died for that for the Royal Canadian Regiment, it's Victoria Regina Imperatrix "Victoria Queen & Empress, Mother Canada" for Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, it's Victoria Patricia "Princess Patricia of Connaught, Lady Mountbatten, Grandaughter of Victoria Hanover" for the Royal 22nd Regiment, it's Je me souviens "We do not forget, and will never forget, our ancient lineage, traditions and memories of all the past" do you think the troops show up at Battleschool with this in their hearts ? of course not, we indoctrinate them, we lead them from the front once they learn their history, the story of their people only then are they prepared to go over the top when the whistle blows to suffer hardship gladly, for the brothers to the left & right of them like their grandfathers & great grandfathers before them from Queenston Heights to Juno Beach from Kapyong to Kandahar Regiment, Colours, Commander-in-Chief Quote
CdnFox Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Aaaaand, what can he do??? Except blow smoke like hi has been doing LOL Quite a bit. Nothing anyone does is going to prevent Canada from taking a hit but he could definitely take actions that would improve Canada's situation immeasurably both in the short and longer term. Drag the premieres to Ottawa and say we are pushing pipelines through everywhere to sell as much oil and Natural gas as possible and anybody who gets in the way will lose their funding. Will work with first nations groups and provinces and others to make sure they get a fair share of the profits but this is happening. He could also Explore new trade relationships with other countries, which Trudeau successfully kiboshed during his time. Harper did great it expanding trade but Trudeau ruined most of that work, well he ever can send it people to the four corners of the earth looking for new markets to both buy and sell into including working out a deal with Britain and the economic union. And speaking of trade while he's got those premieres together he might just want to point out that this is the time to get rid of trade barriers interproventually. The liberals actually did a tiny bit of work towards that back in 2017 before Justin gave up on Canada entirely but there's a lot more that can be done. Harmonize certification to allow people to move freely to work. Make it easier to do trade across borders and still respect each other's tax regimes. Make Canada Canada's number one customer. And then of course the usual stuff like slashing taxes to encourage businesses to invest, getting rid of red tape and unnecessary bureaucracy to make it easier for ventures to proceed and to make it cheaper for Canadians to produce their own goods rather than bringing them in from somewhere else etc etc It's not hard. You just have to want to do it and put in the work. The liberals want to focus on new carbon taxes that's where they want to put in their work. That is not going to solve our problem 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: exactly in the face of the Stars & Stripes, you need symbols of power to rally around and that is not going to be the Canada Act 1982 the Canada Act 1982 is the Liberal Party of Canada's poison pill wherein the Liberal Party of Canada replaced Canada with their own dogma Post National State Multiculturalism I'll tell you right now, nobody in HM Royal Canadian Infantry Corps ever killed & died for that for the Royal Canadian Regiment, it's Victoria Regina Imperatrix "Victoria Queen & Empress, Mother Canada" for Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, it's Victoria Patricia "Princess Patricia of Connaught, Lady Mountbatten, Grandaughter of Victoria Hanover" for the Royal 22nd Regiment, it's Je me souviens "We do not forget, and will never forget, our ancient lineage, traditions and memories of all the past" do you think the troops show up at Battleschool with this in their hearts ? of course not, we indoctrinate them, we lead them from the front once they learn their history, the story of their people only then are they prepared to go over the top when the whistle blows to suffer hardship gladly, for the brothers to the left & right of them like their grandfathers & great grandfathers before them from Queenston Heights to Juno Beach from Kapyong to Kandahar Regiment, Colours, Commander-in-Chief Look, I agree. I think Multiculturalism has killed Canadian culture, but is there enough support within Canada to drop that official policy? Canada is running into the same problems as the UK, where the MPs are not particularly interested in upholding UK cultural roots. It’s the inevitable result of demographic shifts caused by mass immigration. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 34 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Ford has been a surprisingly strong politician, perhaps on the level of Bill Davis. indeed, he's Bill Davis 2.0 you can't be a Prairie Populist Firebrand in Ontario you have to be a Guardian of Confederation Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: When he's prime minister he can lead. Thanks to trudeau, we won't be in a position to make that happen for quite a while. Section 50 of the Constitution overrides the 2007 four year term law so Mark Carney could be Prime Minister until October of 2026 before holding an election Jagmeet only promised to bring Trudeau down in the face of Trudeau's unpopularity he never said what he would do if the Liberals got rid of Trudeau Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Look, I agree. I think Multiculturalism has killed Canadian culture, but is there enough support within Canada to drop that official policy? Canada is running into the same problems as the UK, where the MPs are not particularly interested in upholding UK cultural roots. It’s the inevitable result of demographic shifts caused by mass immigration. The UK is still less than 10% Asian. One sees a lot of news about majority Asian constituencies but there are not that many of them. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) I can see the economic argument for Canada not responding with tariffs ourselves: https://financialpost.com/news/economy/better-ways-canada-fight-back-trade-war But I don’t agree with it. This isn’t a standard trade issue because the person we are negotiating with is neither rational nor well informed and I’m afraid some pain must be inflicted by us on red states in particular if the other side is going to see reason. Edited February 2 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 Just now, Queenmandy85 said: We should re-think the strategy of counter tariffs. President Trump's nominee for Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick, pointed out that Canada needs to stop fentanyl and illegal aliens from entering the US from Canada. IIRC, he said we have to shut the border down, or words to that effect. Rather than introduce tariffs on American exports, we should ensure no contraband enters the US from Canada. To accomplish this, we need to stop and inspect every car and truck before it crosses the border. Border agents will remove all of the cargo and open every container and go through it with a fine tooth comb. Then they will remove all of the panels and dismantle the enginge compartment to search for hidden compartments. Passenger vehiles will be emptied, the passengers searched, their luggage searched and the vehicle stripped down. Trains will be subjected to a careful search. Box cars emptied and the cargo opened. A box of 3" nails will be opened and emptied to ensure there are no tablets of fentanyl. The same applies to flights from Canada to the US. We cannot search pipelines so all petroleum exports to the US will have to be transported by rail. At the border, each tanker car will be emptied, the contents put through a strainer and the interior of the tanker cleaned and inspected. Every car and locomotive will be carefully searched. Due to the volume of traffic and the number of inspectors available, crossing the border will be by appointment only. To avoid any false accusations of corruption among the agents, they will have to work in threes. US border agents will have a representative on each team to acknowledge no contraband has entered the US. Thus, we will be able to certify we are complying with the US Administrations requirements and Secretary Lutnick will see we really do respect the United States. He will have no reason for complaint. no point in resisting the war fever, Canadians are enraged, this is like Canadian 9-11 if Trump doesn't back down, we are going to the trenches mind you, your man Mark Carney was surprisingly excellent in this BBC interview from a warfighting point of view at least 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: no point in resisting the war fever, Canadians are enraged, this is like Canadian 9-11 if Trump doesn't back down, we are going to the trenches mind you, your man Mark Carney was surprisingly excellent in this BBC interview from a warfighting point of view at least Quite good. Nice Nova Scotia flag too. I feel pretty good about having him at the helm until the federal election. He’ll throw a lot of smarts at the Yanks that will challenge dimmer minds. It will be especially hilarious if he sicks someone like Freeland on them in trade negotiations because they hate her. I still want the Conservatives for the next government, but it’s reassuring to know we’ll have a sharper Liberal party soon. I think the exercise of Trump entering office and the coming renewal of our own government is forcing Canadians to get real about what matters to the country. The colonial genocidal DEI narratives are emphatically gone, as are the policies about hypothetical climate crisis and costly hypothetical solutions. We’re back to jobs, living standards, and Canadian values. We were worrying about a lot of nonsense that had little quantifiable value. Well we’re going to find out fast what really matters to Canadians. Edited February 2 by Zeitgeist Quote
eyeball Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 4 hours ago, West said: Trudeau has been taxing you every time you turn around. Maybe he should end the carbon tax to offset the Tariffs? You might as well swat a sledge-hammer with a mosquito for all the effect that'll have on tariffs. In fact killing the carbon tax now just deprives lower income Canadians of rebates they could really use and rewards the largest polluters with a boost they don't really need. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 25 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Canada is running into the same problems as the UK, where the MPs are not particularly interested in upholding UK cultural roots. It’s the inevitable result of demographic shifts caused by mass immigration. the roots are not in the United Kingdom the roots are in the Netherlands William Prince of Orange, founder of Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy, was the Dutch Regent the founding of the modern British liberal state in the Glorious Revolution of 1688 originated in the Dutch Republic, before the United Kingdom even existed we Loyalist Orangemen of Upper Canada are not Englishmen we are Ulster Scots HM Queen Victoria, Mother Canada, was not English, she was German Canada is a Scots German Empire seeking a Northwest Passage this empire dwarfs what is left of England's empire, by many orders of magnitude Canadians simply do not understand that British does not mean English British is not a race, British is not a place the seat of His Majesty's power, is in British North America warm it all up, everything you got, right here, right now troops in contact, stand to, stand to Quote
eyeball Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: No they are not but...it makes the product more expensive tor the Americans to buy unless the manufacturer or industry decided to subsidize and sell for cheaper. Oh and you know California is in the US? LOL I like Eby's idea about just removing redstate booze from BCLIQUOR's shelves. I hope our Consumer Co-op takes a similar approach when stocking our grocery shelves. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted February 2 Report Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: Canada is no longer a country of 20 million people. We’re reaching a size comparable to European powers like Britain and France, meaning that we can be the market for more of our own products OMG you say something I agree with! 1 Quote
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