Canada's $52B EV gamble didn't pay off, observers say

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Government regulations have done a tremendous amount to make cars safer and less polluting. I have a 66 Chrysler 300 convertible that I restored. A great big land  yacht that I love but it is death trap. No crumple zones or telescopic steering column, no rollover protection, lap belts and seat backs that are free to flip forward so you can smash your head into a solid steel dash, shitty handling and brakes compared to today's cars. A 440 cu in engine that sucks premium like you wouldn't believe and stinks so bad I have to leave the garage door open for a half hour after backing it in to get rid of the fumes. They don't make them like they used to and that's a good thing.

And? Again, whenever the government chooses winners or losers it fails. And what you just mentioned was not a case of that.

How many subsidies and 13 billion dollar plants did Canada have to provide in order for automakers to improve? The answer is largely none, The technology got better in the consumers Wanted the efficiencies that came with it and were prepared to pay the price.

Electric cars are not there. The technology is not there. A small market segment finds them to be desirable but if you took the subsidies away that market segment would be quite small.

When the technology is right and it makes sense people will support it. When it doesn't they won't. Fix the technology to the point where it makes sense and there will be no need for subsidies.

Governments fail at choosing who wins and loses in the marketplace. As long as ice engines make more sense some more people they will be the prevalent vehicle sold.

[cannuck]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

Our birth rate isn't capable of even sustaining the population we have. We rely on immigration to do that.

Exactly my point.  Our brilliant leadership had the right thing handed to them for our country to survive.  Instead of embracing it they decided to empty the slums and jails of third world because "growth is good".  China  is the only country with the collective intelligence to actually do something about it.

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Exactly my point.  Our brilliant leadership had the right thing handed to them for our country to survive.  Instead of embracing it they decided to empty the slums and jails of third world because "growth is good".  China  is the only country with the collective intelligence to actually do something about it.

We should be more selective of individuals but where do you propose to get immigrants from. This isn't the post war when Europeans were coming from their bombed out countries. 

[cannuck]

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

We should be more selective of individuals but where do you propose to get immigrants from. This isn't the post war when Europeans were coming from their bombed out countries. 

Why would you want to "get immigrants"?????  The place is totally screwed up from the irresponsible and mindless flood of inappropriate and incompatible cultures over the last decade.

[Michael Hardner]

This ALL started in 2015... 😂

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This ALL started in 2015... 😂

Absolutely true. In fact Justin won the election partly based on that. Remember when he said we must throw our doors open and accept vastly more refugees? And that picture of that kid washing up on the beach showed up and everybody got emotional and Trudeau said the only reason we don't double or triple our refugees and increase immigration is the will to do so?

Remember all that? Pepperidge farm does  

During harper's time virtually everyone said the immigration policies were fantastic, including immigrants both current and former. Even the opposition grudgingly admitted it.

Trudeau took one of the best immigration systems in the world, flooded it and broke it.  He has now turned one of the most pro immigration countries in the world against immigration. 

But sure, lets pretend it had nothing to do with him  

[taxme]

On 2/3/2025 at 6:18 AM, cannuck said:

That is a valid question.   The answer is: "politics" = but not so much regional as on a global scale.  There is no question that climate is changing - as it has done for billions of years - but there is an opportunity for an economically competitive advantage by replacing nuclear fears with the carbon bugaboo.  It was so easy as media has been (often correctly) exposing the horrible track record on environmental damage of the oil production and petrochem industry so the dirty work (sorry for the pun) was mostly done.   Once the Euroweenie realized they had used up their easy oil and uncle Vlad had them by the balls to keep on keeping on it was an easy play to demonize the industries they were beholden to and move the market into a new space where there was no massive advantage to oil producing competitive nations.  Once left leaning and thoughtless governments started playing off the UN led book and primed the "climate science" pump with a bit of cash, every basket weaving student could switch from inclusive studies to the even more lucrative "climate science" field with ultra low barriers of entry.

What the truly ignorant "climate scientists" completely miss is that the path to sustainability can only come by doing LESS of what is causing our very real sustainability crisis, not devising more elaborate, more costly and more polluting ways to do more of what is the real problem.  No question that the wrong approach is "drill baby drill" but anyone with a half a brain could easily realize the using massive amounts of immature and inappropriate technology to flood our streets and landfills with un-recyclable wind generator blades to charge incredibly polluting and not yet recyclable toxic batteries is equally inept.

What is far, far worse is the shifting our attention to the so easy target of carbon from Big Oil means we are giving a pass to the plastic industries that are poisoning the very biota that extracts and fixes carbon and releases the oxygen that feed the start of the entire food chain and provide us with the oxygen we breathe.  THAT is where our very existence will very soon come to an end.

Mark Marano of website "Climate Depot" pretty much says and explains it all. There is no real climate crisis at all. Just the manufactured climate crisis being created by the globalist billionaires who are making millions of dollars from the fools whom will believe that we are in a real climate crisis. Al Gore has made millions of dollars from pushing a climate. Still waiting for this cast crisis nonsense. According to that bimbo, Miami was supposed to be under water by 2020. We are all still waiting for this catastrophe to happen. It's all bull chit, fella. 😇

[herbie]

Oh f*ck what the USA and the dinosaurs say.
Do you want a car that's cheaper to run or don't you? Then keep the EV mandates and build them here.

The 4th best selling vehicle in 2024 was Tesla. 372,000 Teslas! And you listen to the 'nobody' bought them BS?

Just like the 'nobody bought' the entire 2 empty shelves of product like the grocery store manager tried to tell me about!

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh f*ck what the USA and the dinosaurs say.

You're the dinosaur tho....

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Do you want a car that's cheaper to run or don't you?

It isn't.

If it was we wouldn't have to subsidize them by over  50 billion.

the technology isn't there yet. Someday maybe. When it is there won't be a need for subsidy

[herbie]

The $50 billion is only loosely related to EV subsidies and includes incentives that aren't money spent, but your complete intransigence in claiming a $5 electric charge costs more than $40 worth of gas is outright imbecility.
And as you seem to be the only person that didn't know the federal purchase credits ran out last month and that for the average purchase price of $67,000 for a new car, there are many choices of pure, hybrid and plugin EVs included.
They're already here and in 10 years gas will be a hell of a lot more and you'd be foolish not to consider one.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

The $50 billion is only loosely related to EV subsidies and includes incentives that aren't money spent,

so it was okay to waste it?

Only the dumbest of the dumb lefties would propose the defense that it's okay to waste 50 billion dollars on a complete failure because only most of it was actually a waste. Yeash. 

[herbie]

No, you're total refusal and inability to comprehend a single thing you see id the epitome of dumb.
As is the insistence that repeating a claim makes it true.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

No, you're total refusal and inability to comprehend a single thing you see id the epitome of dumb.

*clap clap clap*  lol very good, you should write fortune cookies  

And as I said only the dumbest of the dumb lefties would insist that repeating a truth makes it a lie  

 

[Legato]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

The $50 billion is only loosely related to EV subsidies and includes incentives that aren't money spent, but your complete intransigence in claiming a $5 electric charge costs more than $40 worth of gas is outright imbecility.
And as you seem to be the only person that didn't know the federal purchase credits ran out last month and that for the average purchase price of $67,000 for a new car, there are many choices of pure, hybrid and plugin EVs included.
They're already here and in 10 years gas will be a hell of a lot more and you'd be foolish not to consider one.

The dinosaur is Canadian tire installing 10 charging stations that don't work when it's -10 and only half work when it's warm. Today they were all cordoned of ready for removal, They're adding more gas pumps in the same space.

When you can carry $5 of electrons in a can get back to those of us that have evolved.

[herbie]

Oh FFS Crappy Tire fails again, surprise, surprise!

Timmies & McD's should be adding the charging stations to get you inside and sell you  food while you're charging. Likewise the malls.

But I'll tell you big Canadian business is too stupid, cheap and lazy to ever come up with and do it on their own. Maybe da bossman will order us too someday. We can't show any initiative, that's not company policy.

The few that do follow the same game plan - hire as few service people as possible and centralize them a couple hundred miles away.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh FFS Crappy Tire fails again, surprise, surprise!

Timmies & McD's should be adding the charging stations to get you inside and sell you  food while you're charging. Likewise the malls.

But I'll tell you big Canadian business is too stupid, cheap and lazy to ever come up with and do it on their own. Maybe da bossman will order us too someday. We can't show any initiative, that's not company policy.

The few that do follow the same game plan - hire as few service people as possible and centralize them a couple hundred miles away.

If only they could learn from such a shrewd businessman as yourself, who tripled the value of his home with a credit card  

[cannuck]

17 hours ago, taxme said:

Mark Marano of website "Climate Depot" pretty much says and explains it all. There is no real climate crisis at all. Just the manufactured climate crisis being created by the globalist billionaires who are making millions of dollars from the fools whom will believe that we are in a real climate crisis. Al Gore has made millions of dollars from pushing a climate. Still waiting for this cast crisis nonsense. According to that bimbo, Miami was supposed to be under water by 2020. We are all still waiting for this catastrophe to happen. It's all bull chit, fella. 😇

There is of course a constant change in climate, and based on us building economies that expected no change you might call it a "crisis".  But that is a problem far, far less that the REAL crisis about which few people ever speak:  pollution of our water.  In my first forray into resource recovery going back nearly 40 years we learned that Germany alone was dumping about 150,000 tonnes/month of high level industrial waste into the North Sea.   MANY countries did/do any better.   What we also found was that national governments worked hand in hand with organized crime to make toxic and hazardous waste "go away".  The criminal enterprises "owned" their political benefactors.  Ever wonder why it has been endlessly studied but never really DONE anything about??   Follow the gold.

Top of the list is to fix the problem that has killed of about 25% of the phytoplankton - mostly due to the chemistry of plastics and physical presence of microplastics.  THIS is what absorbs far, far more CO2 than any forest or swamp - but without the biota the capacity to remove carbon from the water - that absorbs if from the atmosphere - and then release the oxygen we need - simply will not happen.  Emitting less CO2 by villifying carbon is only for the benefit of those who would take a paycheque from trying to tell you this, or moreso those who make billions selling you BEVs so you can keep on doing more of the things that screwed up our environment in the first place. 

[taxme]

18 hours ago, cannuck said:

There is of course a constant change in climate, and based on us building economies that expected no change you might call it a "crisis".  But that is a problem far, far less that the REAL crisis about which few people ever speak:  pollution of our water.  In my first forray into resource recovery going back nearly 40 years we learned that Germany alone was dumping about 150,000 tonnes/month of high level industrial waste into the North Sea.   MANY countries did/do any better.   What we also found was that national governments worked hand in hand with organized crime to make toxic and hazardous waste "go away".  The criminal enterprises "owned" their political benefactors.  Ever wonder why it has been endlessly studied but never really DONE anything about??   Follow the gold.

Top of the list is to fix the problem that has killed of about 25% of the phytoplankton - mostly due to the chemistry of plastics and physical presence of microplastics.  THIS is what absorbs far, far more CO2 than any forest or swamp - but without the biota the capacity to remove carbon from the water - that absorbs if from the atmosphere - and then release the oxygen we need - simply will not happen.  Emitting less CO2 by villifying carbon is only for the benefit of those who would take a paycheque from trying to tell you this, or moreso those who make billions selling you BEVs so you can keep on doing more of the things that screwed up our environment in the first place. 

If only people would stop listening to what their lying politicians and the lying MSM tells them things will never get better. Those two create all those phony stories and events nonsense like covid and climate change as examples. 

What is that white cloud like stuff that they keep spraying in our atmosphere almost every day that sits in the atmosphere for hours? They call them chemtrails for a reason. What is the purpose of those chemtrails? 

Off the cuff here. Tons is English, tonnes is french. I speak English. Just saying. 😇