Aristides Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 8 minutes ago, User said: You want the US to have a weaker military? That is up to the US. You want to be top dog in the world, it's going to be expensive. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 11 hours ago, myata said: So when you want something from your allies you drive to their home with a machine gun and threaten to shoot, in the quest for understanding and harmony? That make you who, by the factual definition? Remember the p-word? Look in the mirror before you're carried too far in understanding of insanity and fascism (ironic, no)? It is not a matter of want, It is Canada and its government reasonability to ensure border security, and national security...US government and our NATO allies have for "decades" let me repeat that for "Decades" to boost our security of both...we have agreed to do so, but just ignored the request...NATO has been begging Canada to boost our artic defenses again for decades, We just told NATO yes we will invest heavily over the next 30 years....it is a BS answer as they will not be in power 30 years from now... And trump has not driven to our homes with a machine gun, let alone threaten to shoot...if that was the case we would already be the 51 st state....They are telling us get your sh!t together or face tariffs...nobody is talking about military action, just do as we ask or face economical tariffs. for not doing what we as a nation should be doing in the first place... As for the rest of your statement I'm sorry i can't make heads or tails out of it....I think your looking at this with way to much emotion, you need to see what trump has said, and ask why he is doing it.....because Although they have asked to fix it we have not taken any action in decades......What we should be doing is coming up with a plan and funding to fix it all of it.....And take our national responsibilities seriously...or show the world we are not adults just yet and withdrawal from NATO and all of our other responsibilities....instead of beating our chests and pretending we are going to win this thing is delusional, Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Spoken like a traitor. I can just imagine choosing a name like "Army Guy" and going on about how you "served our country," only to s**t on Canada, and praise the enemy. You are free to leave, and move to the USA. Imagine being in the military "35 years" and probably doing deployments on mainly poor countries, that are occupied, and pose no threat to us, then cowardly taking a knee when a much stronger nation threatens to annex us. Maybe you should change your name to "Eddie Slovik," It fits you better. Traitor must be the word of the week for you....You can whine and cry about me all you want, at least i got off the couch in mom's basement and did something like serve our nation....Which you have no idea of the sacrifice each soldier makes to do that....But thanks for having my back.... You make it sound like i had a choice of where i served, that decision was made by our elected government...And yes most conflict areas are very poor not sure what your point is here, poor or not they were a treat to our foreign policy , you should take that up with our government....Beating your chest and making threats is not going to solve this issue....diplomacy is... Your a typical leftist hack, once someone says something you don't agree with you resort to personal attacks and lies...and misinformation....you go girl....You could debate what i'm saying like an adult , but nah Thats not how you roll... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
WestCanMan Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 On 1/25/2025 at 7:17 AM, myata said: What does it mean, America? The meaning, of the silence? You don't need, have no respect and value for the allies? Democrats, how does it feel on that faraway remote trail? Still no connection, to the reality? No honor, no honesty and no integrity left, to scramble? If so, it'll come back much quicker than you want to believe. These tests can failed only to bad, painful and terrible discoveries. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
myata Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 40 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It is not a matter of want, It is Canada and its government reasonability to ensure border security, and national security...US government and our NATO allies have for "decades" let me repeat that for "Decades" to boost our security of both...we have agreed to do so, but just ignored the request...NATO has been begging Canada to boost our artic defenses again for decades, We just told NATO yes we will invest heavily over the next 30 years....it is a BS answer as they will not be in power 30 years from now... Are you living in your own detached reality? Once again, we're discussing here the open threats to a NATO ally, not ruling out the use of force. One more time? Should I rephrase? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
NAME REMOVED Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 1 hour ago, User said: You want the US to have a weaker military? As of today, definitely. 1 Quote
User Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 26 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: As of today, definitely. I guess you don’t care all that much about the stability of the world, Ukraine, or NATO strength after all. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 1 hour ago, myata said: Are you living in your own detached reality? Once again, we're discussing here the open threats to a NATO ally, not ruling out the use of force. One more time? Should I rephrase? Once again, Canada has been asked for DECADES to get it's sh!t together in regards to our nation's security.....and we have ignored the US, and our NATO allieds , they are no longer asking, they are telling.... It is convenient for you to use the we are a NATO allied when we don't agree to the membership rules, which is spending 2 % on our military, participate in NATO exercises, NATO operations such as north atlantic, pacific, or our artic....Our allieds within NATO have asked , and begged us to up our game on our military and we have basically given them the finger...We are not much of a member when we can't even follow the clubs rules.... So now they are telling us to get our stuff in order....and somehow you can not understand that, somehow you see it as an attack, somehow your pissed because another nation is tired of paying our way through this life.... Somehow you feel we are entitled to have the Americans pay for our defence...And somehow i am detached from reality....Really.... Why is trumps requests for us to tighten up our border security and tighten up the rest of our security apparatus so appalling to you ?...Do you think we are secure enough , we don't have an issue with our borders, Military, RCMP, CSIS, Immigration, Coast guard, Fishiers, CBSA all these departments have been cash starved to feed other liberal interests... US and NATO is very concerned with our severe lack of Arctic sovereignty, lack of our military presence in our Artic, our lack of military capabilities period , the list goes on and on....All of which threatens NATO, and our allieds, in many ways. We have proven not to be a reliable partner... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 21 hours ago, robosmith said: The US is paying the bills it pays, because we want the control and the JOBS that designing and buying defense equipment provides. Everyone else balks at contributing to US full employment because they don't enjoy those JOBS. But they( Canadians and the EU) love the security it provides....Canadians have for a long time talked out of both sides of their faces, nobody is going to attack Canada because the US will protect us....so we tell them to screw off when they ask hey can you pay more into the defense of North America...Our world is getting more dangerous by the day, and Canadians are blind to that.... Many euro countries are preparing for the next war right now, conscription is being brought in some nations, military budgets are expanding, orders for more equipment are flooding the markets, and in Canada we are still at the beach sunning our nuts... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: ....What we should be doing is coming up with a plan and funding to fix it all of it.....And take our national responsibilities seriously...or show the world we are not adults just yet and withdrawal from NATO and all of our other responsibilities....instead of beating our chests and pretending we are going to win this thing is delusional, Which is why PP should deal with this like Trudeau dealt with COVID. No courage no conviction. I bet Dougie knows how to say that in Latin. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 5 hours ago, Hodad said: Dude, there's no substantive "bill paying" going on. That's not how NATO works. Countries aren't sending money to a central military. We're all spending money domestically on our own military strength. So, no. The US is not tired of paying other countries' bills. That's spending that we're going to do regardless, to maintain our own security. -- or potentially invade Greenland and Panama now that we've elected a giant orange toddler to the presidency. At any rate, the alliance is more potent if the member nations to do meet spending targets, but nobody here feels anything about it. It's not an issue people here even know about outside of the absurd campaign rhetoric. Nobody said we are paying a central country, Members of NATO agree to spend 2 % of gdp on their militaries , which would allow them to use equipment and personal for NATO taskings....Canada only spends 1.38% on it's military and really has nothing to show for it....Our military is still 10,000 men and women under bourne our equipment is most 40 years old or more, this lack of participation or abilities forces other NATO allied to pick up the slack...and for the most part that is the US.... I guess all the past Presidents , their members of congress your own military chiefs have been wrong for decades when they have asked us to increase not only our spending but expenditures on equipment and become a active member in the alliance. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
NAME REMOVED Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 1 hour ago, User said: I guess you don’t care all that much about the stability of the world, I care very much about the stability of the World. This is precisely why I hope the US implodes. With Trump in charge of Government, they are the most dangerous regime, since Nazi Germany. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: You can whine and cry about me all you want, at least i got off the couch in mom's basement and did something like stab my nation in the back, and side with the enemy....Which you have no idea of what it is life to turn on your countrymen to do that....But thanks for having my back.... No sorry, I definitely do not have your back, Eddie Slovik. Edited January 26 by DUI_Offender Quote
User Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: I care very much about the stability of the World. This is precisely why I hope the US implodes. With Trump in charge of Government, they are the most dangerous regime, since Nazi Germany. No more US military aid to Ukraine? No, you care more about your hatred for Trump than anything else. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 (edited) 3 minutes ago, User said: No, you care more about your hatred for Trump than anything else. I care about the stability of the World. With Orange Hitler at the helm, threatening all his allies, and making the United States a Police state, we are all doomed. Edited January 26 by DUI_Offender Quote
User Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 9 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: I care about the stability of the World. With Orange Hitler at the helm, threatening all his allies, and making the United States a Police state, we are all doomed. None of these are happening. You just make crap up to hate Trump. You would rather sacrifice Ukraine and the stability of the world, NATO, and other allies all because you irrationally hate Trump. Quote
Hodad Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Nobody said we are paying a central country, Members of NATO agree to spend 2 % of gdp on their militaries , which would allow them to use equipment and personal for NATO taskings....Canada only spends 1.38% on it's military and really has nothing to show for it....Our military is still 10,000 men and women under bourne our equipment is most 40 years old or more, this lack of participation or abilities forces other NATO allied to pick up the slack...and for the most part that is the US.... I guess all the past Presidents , their members of congress your own military chiefs have been wrong for decades when they have asked us to increase not only our spending but expenditures on equipment and become a active member in the alliance. You premised an entire argument on the false notion that the US is paying all the bills for NATO. "The US is tired of paying the most of the bills , not sure why you can't see that or understand their anger..." ^^Those are your words. It's nonsense. We're not paying anyone's bills. We are going to have the world's most powerful military with or without NATO. Canada's spending has jack shit to do with our spending. Try again with a cogent argument based on facts. Quote
Venandi Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 8 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Imagine being in the military "35 years" and probably doing deployments on mainly poor countries, that are occupied, and pose no threat to us... Traitor seems to have replaced Nazi for the time being eh? Only 32 years for me but I managed to squeeze in 10 deployments. And, like other members of YOUR military, I didn't pick the countries (or missions) Canada decided to send troops to. The Government of Canada decided that and as I recall they they were duly elected by Canadian voters... GASP, just like you, assuming you're Canadian of course and I'm guessing you are by the tone and disregard for the military. So when it comes right down to it, we did those deployments where you told us to do them and did what you told us to do while there... and BTW, your "cowardly taking a knee" comment made me realize that I can't recall seeing your A$$ on any of them. Edited January 27 by Venandi 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, User said: I guess you don’t care all that much about the stability of the world, Ukraine, or NATO strength after all. Right now you are threatening your allies. You are being seen as a greater danger than Russia or China. Edited January 27 by Aristides Quote
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: No sorry, I definitely do not have your back, Eddie Slovik. Thats not news skippy you and millions of Canadians have never had our backs....for decades now....thanks for your support... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Hodad said: You premised an entire argument on the false notion that the US is paying all the bills for NATO. "The US is tired of paying the most of the bills , not sure why you can't see that or understand their anger..." ^^Those are your words. It's nonsense. We're not paying anyone's bills. We are going to have the world's most powerful military with or without NATO. Canada's spending has jack shit to do with our spending. Try again with a cogent argument based on facts. Is it a false notion, if Canada can not up hold it's NATO assignments or participate in NATO mission because we can't manage to put a force together then that means Other NATO countries have to fill those spots , it is not rocket science here.... Most of those spots are left to the US military to fill....I can't put it any clearer than that....You could also take a look at your president's message to all NATO, He has upped the basic NATO membership from 2 % to 5 % He has said on the media, that he is tired of paying most of the bills, such as deploying troops to europe , south korea, all around the globe, while giving a military protection for those states and them not paying what they owe....This is not my argument but your presidents....your Commander and chief... NATO was designed as a defensive pact, and if everyone is not paying their share , then someone has to pick that expense up. in the past it has been the US....As an American i'm not sure why you can't see that....But hey it is your tax dollars he wants to save... US is redeploying another 20,000 out of europe why is that...I mean your president has spelled it out loud and clear....he has told Canada to up our security at the border along with our military spending or face tariffs why would he do that if he was not concerned with our NATO spending limit...Like every president before him has asked the same question....why has he also told other NATO members to do the same thing, and then tell them he is tired of the US paying for everything... Canada's spending levels are an "extreme" concern to the US military chain of command , along with NATO, as it exposes our north borders to enemies threats....it is basically wide open border....Canada does not have many troops capable of operating in our north for long periods of time...nor can we support them for long periods it's a sh!t show to say the least....If anything happened up there NATO would have to depend on someone else to defend north Americans northern flank...I can't make it any clearer that that....These troops will have to come from some place , troops that could have been used some place else... My facts are correct, it seems yours are a little twisted...maybe read some of the stuff your President is putting up it will help you understand this situation better. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Right now you are threatening your allies. You are being seen as a greater danger than Russia or China. Kind of like telling your teenager to clean up his room or he is grounded....We created this problem , not trump not anyone but Canada....Trump is telling us to clean up our mess or we will get grounded.... This message has been put to our leadership more politely in the last couple of decades and we have done nothing but give everyone the finger...Now we are going to get grounded and like a teenager Canada is making threats, that it can't possible win or gain from....But ya keep beating our chests and we will see those tariffs and much more.... Those on the left want nothing more than a fight....the rest of us want diplomacy , use common sense , make a plan solve these issue, resolve the problem....you and those like you are saying bring it on....And Thats exactly what we will get Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Hodad Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 44 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Is it a false notion, if Canada can not up hold it's NATO assignments or participate in NATO mission because we can't manage to put a force together then that means Other NATO countries have to fill those spots , it is not rocket science here.... Most of those spots are left to the US military to fill....I can't put it any clearer than that....You could also take a look at your president's message to all NATO, He has upped the basic NATO membership from 2 % to 5 % He has said on the media, that he is tired of paying most of the bills, such as deploying troops to europe , south korea, all around the globe, while giving a military protection for those states and them not paying what they owe....This is not my argument but your presidents....your Commander and chief... NATO was designed as a defensive pact, and if everyone is not paying their share , then someone has to pick that expense up. in the past it has been the US....As an American i'm not sure why you can't see that....But hey it is your tax dollars he wants to save... US is redeploying another 20,000 out of europe why is that...I mean your president has spelled it out loud and clear....he has told Canada to up our security at the border along with our military spending or face tariffs why would he do that if he was not concerned with our NATO spending limit...Like every president before him has asked the same question....why has he also told other NATO members to do the same thing, and then tell them he is tired of the US paying for everything... Canada's spending levels are an "extreme" concern to the US military chain of command , along with NATO, as it exposes our north borders to enemies threats....it is basically wide open border....Canada does not have many troops capable of operating in our north for long periods of time...nor can we support them for long periods it's a sh!t show to say the least....If anything happened up there NATO would have to depend on someone else to defend north Americans northern flank...I can't make it any clearer that that....These troops will have to come from some place , troops that could have been used some place else... My facts are correct, it seems yours are a little twisted...maybe read some of the stuff your President is putting up it will help you understand this situation better. My president is a bully, a pathological liar, a criminal and a traitor. He is not trying to increase your spending in order to save us money. He will increase military spending regardless. And frankly, purely out of ego. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Hodad said: My president is a bully, a pathological liar, a criminal and a traitor. He is not trying to increase your spending in order to save us money. He will increase military spending regardless. And frankly, purely out of ego. Even the head of NATO agrees with your president's actions.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Hodad Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Even the head of NATO agrees with your president's actions.... I never said that the NATO countries shouldn't increase spending. Totally separate question. I just said that it has f*ck all to do with us paying all the bills. Quote
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