blackbird Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Exactly what I said, you would take Trump's side against your own country just because you don't like Trudeau who will be gone by March. Where did I say I support Trump? I don't support his tariff war against Canada. Trudeau will be gone but other Liberals still remain. Trudeau's replacement will be very similar to Trudeau. The people running for PM all supported carbon taxes since they came in and only now are they trying to sound different because most Canadians reject carbon taxes. It was the Liberals who did all the damage to Canada. Trudeau's leaving won't change the ideology of the Liberals. Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Where did I say I support Trump? I don't support his tariff war against Canada. Trudeau will be gone but other Liberals still remain. Trudeau's replacement will be very similar to Trudeau. The people running for PM all supported carbon taxes since they came in and only now are they trying to sound different because most Canadians reject carbon taxes. It was the Liberals who did all the damage to Canada. Trudeau's leaving won't change the ideology of the Liberals. There will be an election by April. I don't like Trudeau either but I love my country more than I dislike any political party. Apparently you don't. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: There will be an election by April. I don't like Trudeau either but I love my country more than I dislike any political party. Apparently you don't. What a load of crap, this is another example of just how we are so divided, lets put everyone into a pigeon hole shall we....that you personal don't like....lets attach a label to them and then tell them they are traitors, or don't like their own country....I personal think Canadians do not put in enough time or effort to whom they are voting for thats why we got a government that made it its sole goal to divide this country into pieces....much like your doing here... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: What a load of crap, this is another example of just how we are so divided, lets put everyone into a pigeon hole shall we....that you personal don't like....lets attach a label to them and then tell them they are traitors, or don't like their own country....I personal think Canadians do not put in enough time or effort to whom they are voting for thats why we got a government that made it its sole goal to divide this country into pieces....much like your doing here... I stand by what I said. We need to be united in this and if we can't do that, we are just screwing ourselves, not Trudeau, the Liberals, the NDP or any other politicians. I don't give a shit who you vote for, that's your business. Quote
eyeball Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 3 hours ago, blackbird said: After nine years of Trudeau and the Liberals, there are thousands of people living in tents, a million more going to food banks and millions cannot afford a home because they cost over a million dollars now in the major cities. Home prices have at least doubled since Trudeau got in in 2015. The health care system is a train wreck. Approximately 15,000 people died on waiting lists in the 2023-2024 year. Millions of Canadians do not have a family doctor. Massive government debt and 50% or more increase in the size of the civil service. Crime is rampant with repeat offenders catch and release justice system. This is happening everywhere you go on the planet. EVERYWHERE. It's a wonder we haven't carpet bombed for all the damage Canada has done to the world. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: This is happening everywhere you go on the planet. EVERYWHERE. It's a wonder we haven't carpet bombed for all the damage Canada has done to the world. It's not happening everywhere and the only reason you feel the need to lie about it is to protect the status quo and defend your pathetic woke left governments in the face of their horrible incompetence. You've been saying that for decades now 1 Quote
herbie Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 Just can't get over the I spilled the milk so it's all Trudeau's fault and the I have no intelligent response so I'll sling the words woke and left thinking they're insults mentality. Snivelling and whining about the 'elites' while cheeting their Mango Mussolini with a wall of billionaires standing behind him. Idiocracy is here, it's the Triumph of the Ignoroids. Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) I’ll support anyone who can unite this country against what is the biggest threat to it in my lifetime. All I do know is it won’t be Danielle Smith. Edited January 23 by Aristides Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 29 minutes ago, herbie said: Just can't get over the I spilled the milk so it's all Trudeau's fault and the I have no intelligent response so I'll sling the words woke and left thinking they're insults mentality. I imagine that's what it would look like to a truly stupid person who was so tribal that they supported a man who will likely destroy the country Hey kid. Trudeau has been a complete disaster for this country and you can try your best to pretend otherwise but nobody's buying it. Everyone can see the truth. He's a failure, Jaggers is a failure, you are a failure. Your woke national dreams have turned out to be a complete and utter disaster. Everything from DEI (which is vanishing everywhere) to safe supply (which killed more people than it helped and made drug dealers rich) turned out to be exposed for the horrible ideas they were. And now people know the truth. Whine like the baby you are all you like but you and your kind are done for at least a few decades. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: I’ll support anyone who can unite this country against what is the biggest threat to it in my lifetime. All I do know is it won’t be Danielle Smith. The problem is without what's important to you you needed to be voting for that a long time ago. Justin Trudeau was obviously one of the most divisive Prime Ministers we've ever had in this country ever. He has been attacking Alberta since day one. Is deliberately gone out of his way in almost every way possible to limit Alberta to One customer. After they have taken a beating at his hands all for supposedly the good of Canada you think that albertans no matter who is running them are going to take another shot in the face from Ottawa? You should have been calling for them to be treated fairly to begin with. You should have been voting against the liberals and any parties that support them and looking for unity. But that's not what happened So if you want unity now really the only choice is Poilievre. There is no universe where the liberals or NDP are unifying force in the foreseeable future. But even then you're going to have to wait for him to get elected in may at the earliest, and then it's going to take a little time for him to win back the trust of Alberta. Don't blame the politicians for what you let them get away with 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The problem is without what's important to you you needed to be voting for that a long time ago. Justin Trudeau was obviously one of the most divisive Prime Ministers we've ever had in this country ever. He has been attacking Alberta since day one. Is deliberately gone out of his way in almost every way possible to limit Alberta to One customer. After they have taken a beating at his hands all for supposedly the good of Canada you think that albertans no matter who is running them are going to take another shot in the face from Ottawa? You should have been calling for them to be treated fairly to begin with. You should have been voting against the liberals and any parties that support them and looking for unity. But that's not what happened So if you want unity now really the only choice is Poilievre. There is no universe where the liberals or NDP are unifying force in the foreseeable future. But even then you're going to have to wait for him to get elected in may at the earliest, and then it's going to take a little time for him to win back the trust of Alberta. Don't blame the politicians for what you let them get away with Not you too. I haven't voted Liberal since Trudeamania in 1968 and have never voted NDP either. What unity with PP, he won't even take a position on this or other issues and that's a big reason I can't stand the guy. I don't know what I'm going to do in the next election. Where is the Rhinoceros party when you need it. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: Not you too. I haven't voted Liberal since Trudeamania in 1968 and have never voted NDP either. What unity with PP, he won't even take a position on this or other issues and that's a big reason I can't stand the guy. I don't know what I'm going to do in the next election. Where is the Rhinoceros party when you need it. Well seeing as you've Been less than honest about what Poilievre said it makes it hard to trust what you said about yourself. He's taking a relatively firm position on this actually. He said if there's tariffs there will be retaliation and there has to be. He has also reiterated the Canada is not for sale. He's been clear that America is one of our larger trading partners and that fact is not going away but that while trump is perfectly entitled to stand up for what he sees as the American interest poilievre will be standing up for canada's interests. So I don't know what's vague about that. He has also taken a Firm Stance on a number of other issues. I mean there are literally dozens that he has taken a Firm Stance on. I do miss the Rhinos though. I thought their platform plank of building a bridge to Hawaii to improve tourism was inspired Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 What has he done other than constantly tell us how bad this country is? He could be part of the solution in trying to bring the federal government and provinces together to form a united front but instead he does what he always does, be the politician. If and when he does become PM he will need the provinces behind him just as much as the current government does. 1 Quote
paradox34 Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 On 1/16/2025 at 12:54 PM, godzilla said: when Norway discovered oil in the 1970's they nationalized the profits and now have one of the largest sovereign wealth funds on earth. Government Pension Fund of Norway Canada just bends over for Big Oil. One could even say that these private entities rule us as all things "conservative" seem to come from Alberta politics. and its just another example when Dannielle Smith is bending over for Big Oil instead of supporting Canada first. Ford says Canada must come first as Smith breaks with premiers on Trump retaliation Sorry but Canada needs the US more than they need us. The liberals have demonstrated time and again they don't give a damn about Canadians. Now the hypocritical global socialist liberals would have you believe they're all about "Canada First". Nonsense, retaliation tariffs against the US would only result in a greater dependence on communist China. Exactly what the Liberals want. Thanks but no thanks! Quote
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, paradox34 said: Sorry but Canada needs the US more than they need us. The liberals have demonstrated time and again they don't give a damn about Canadians. Now the hypocritical global socialist liberals would have you believe they're all about "Canada First". Nonsense, retaliation tariffs against the US would only result in a greater dependence on communist China. Exactly what the Liberals want. Thanks but no thanks! No tariffs no getting closer to China. Why are you blaming the Liberals for what Trump is doing? This fixation on the Liberals when our country is being attacked is insane but sanity seems to be in short supply these days. Shoot yourself in the foot so the other guy can't have the only pair of crutches. 1 Quote
paradox34 Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: No tariffs no getting closer to China. Why are you blaming the Liberals for what Trump is doing? This fixation on the Liberals when our country is being attacked is insane but sanity seems to be in short supply these days. Shoot yourself in the foot so the other guy can't have the only pair of crutches. 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: No tariffs no getting closer to China. Why are you blaming the Liberals for what Trump is doing? This fixation on the Liberals when our country is being attacked is insane but sanity seems to be in short supply these days. Shoot yourself in the foot so the other guy can't have the only pair of crutches. Our country is NOT being attacked. Americans have simply decided that perhaps their government should focus on Americans first rather than trying to solve the worlds problems. Something our own government has forgotten in its drive to global socialism. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Aristides said: I stand by what I said. We need to be united in this and if we can't do that, we are just screwing ourselves, not Trudeau, the Liberals, the NDP or any other politicians. I don't give a shit who you vote for, that's your business. Fair enough but do you think that the liberals can unite us....as they are currently the government ....personally i don't think so....i think we are going to bleed under the liberals in the coming months until the conservatives get in , will they be able to reverse any of it, i don't think so.....Why would trump reverse that deal if he gets what he wants.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Fair enough but do you think that the liberals can unite us....as they are currently the government ....personally i don't think so....i think we are going to bleed under the liberals in the coming months until the conservatives get in , will they be able to reverse any of it, i don't think so.....Why would trump reverse that deal if he gets what he wants.... Well they seem to have every province but one onside, including four out of five conservative premiers and Quebec. What is PP going to do because he won't say. Quote
Aristides Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, paradox34 said: Our country is NOT being attacked. Americans have simply decided that perhaps their government should focus on Americans first rather than trying to solve the worlds problems. Something our own government has forgotten in its drive to global socialism. Trump said again today at Davos that we should become a state. We are not a problem for the US aside from energy that they need, the US has a large trade surplus with Canada. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: Well they seem to have every province but one onside, including four out of five conservative premiers and Quebec. What is PP going to do because he won't say. Quote Heading into Wednesday’s meeting, Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe said he opposed banning energy exports or applying export tariffs, saying “it would be the most divisive conversation that this nation would ever have.” https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-politics-abacus-data-january-2025/ I also thought i heard that Quebec's Premier also does not like the plan( not sure i can not confirm)....the liberal coalition is slowly falling apart...The majority of Canadians DO NOT want the liberals handling this file...parliament is prorogued, and can not function, it can't pass bills, it can't do anything...We should be concentrating on getting the liberals out of office, and allowing the government to operate... As for PP he has said over and over again, that he is almost on the same page... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: Trump said again today at Davos that we should become a state. We are not a problem for the US aside from energy that they need, the US has a large trade surplus with Canada. Not true, a few Black hawk helos is not going to satisfy Trump, he is going to want more than a simple 1.3 bil in new investments....he has also mention our artic defences, our entire security apparatus....he is going to want to see major improvements...And before we can get a working government that can pass bills and policies to make this happen is going to take months of tariffs.... and whatever Canada comes up with is not going to change his mind...He will get what he wants...and he doesn't care if he destroys canada in the meantime.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Oh FFS nothing will satisfy the Fanta Fuhrer. Every weak cave-in to his demand will only bring further demands. He's completely untrustworthy, something we as Canadians should see as obvious, unlike his brainwashed American supporters. And Danielle should shut her traitorous divisive mouth, as she's assumine the rest of Canada is as stupid as herself. Nobody's gone a put an export tax or ban on energy, oil or hydro. If Trump tariffs them, that would be enough to stop or significantly reduce Americans from purchasing it in itself. Unlike a lot of forum users, politicians with brains know cutting off your own nose to spite your face accomplishes shit, getting nothing at all instead of a smaller piece. If he wants to f^ck with our auto sector we can better f*ck him back by opening up Chinese EVs to our market and reverting to the old Auto Pact (sell one US built car here you gotta build one in Canada) Quote
CdnFox Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Aristides said: No tariffs no getting closer to China. Why are you blaming the Liberals for what Trump is doing? This fixation on the Liberals when our country is being attacked is insane but sanity seems to be in short supply these days. Shoot yourself in the foot so the other guy can't have the only pair of crutches. We're vulnerable because of the liberals. He might argue that it's water under the bridge but most people are going to have a tough time letting that go. And the liberals are still in power. Trump is pouncing because of vulnerabilities he sees that are directly a result of liberal policy actions agenda and selfishness. And considering we're about to go into an election in the middle of this mess because of their screw ups we should keep that in mind. Quote
Aristides Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-politics-abacus-data-january-2025/ I also thought i heard that Quebec's Premier also does not like the plan( not sure i can not confirm)....the liberal coalition is slowly falling apart...The majority of Canadians DO NOT want the liberals handling this file...parliament is prorogued, and can not function, it can't pass bills, it can't do anything...We should be concentrating on getting the liberals out of office, and allowing the government to operate... As for PP he has said over and over again, that he is almost on the same page... Trump has said he will impose tariffs on Feb 1. Even the government fell today and an election was called immediately, it can't happen for at least 37 days. We need to have a united response ready in eight days and all you can go on about is getting the Liberals out of office. PP says he is almost on the same page. WTF does that mean? He won't say. 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Not true, a few Black hawk helos is not going to satisfy Trump, he is going to want more than a simple 1.3 bil in new investments....he has also mention our artic defences, our entire security apparatus....he is going to want to see major improvements...And before we can get a working government that can pass bills and policies to make this happen is going to take months of tariffs.... and whatever Canada comes up with is not going to change his mind...He will get what he wants...and he doesn't care if he destroys canada in the meantime.... It is true, he said Canada should become a state today at the WEF. Edited January 24 by Aristides Quote
CdnFox Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 43 minutes ago, Aristides said: We need to have a united response ready in eight days and all you can go on about is getting the Liberals out of office. Sorry kiddo that's the price you pay. The country is essentially leaderless right now. Until they are defeated and not the leader of our country officially you can't expect anybody to take them seriously or consider that they have a mandate to lead given the facts that they've already admitted that they're going to be essentially stepping down. They did not choose to do the right thing for Canada. The right thing for Canada would have been for Trudeau to resign a year ago to allow time for a free and fair election with a leadership race. Or at the least when Freeland torpedoed him he should have called an election and run himself. Now we are where we are. There is no united front. Why should Alberta sell itself out because Trudeau didn't do the right thing? Why should any of the provinces back a leader who is only in this position because he's a complete tard with no authority to lead from the people but he's too stupid to step down? We might need a united front but we're NOT united and that's just how it is. We need to pick better leaders next time. Elections matter. 1 Quote
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