Is there a future for the Republican party in democratic America?

myata · January 14

If it manages to stay - and I honestly don't know how it could squeeze from here, how does one redeem oneself from this kind of a catastrophic, colossal failure of duty and responsibility to the country, citizens and the constitution? Is it even possible? Failing right at the time and the point the checks and balances were designed for by the people two centuries back who thought better and cared more?

Both look like a miracle at this time. And whatever we will see unfolding, remember: this is not going anywhere. It's written in history and can't be erased. There's no going back to the happy times. America will either find a way to rethink and reinvent itself; or she will change her very nature. All bets are off. From here, any future is possible.

myata · January 14

History of the 20th century: Italy, Germany shows clearly that with rising, and after the subversion revelation no need to beat around the bush, fascism there can be no chance or hope of modifying it from inside. A false hope or a blatant lie. If you don't stand to it, you are enabling it and allowing it to rise higher and walk further - and it will.

This is true and factual: the Republican party allowed and enabled the rise of a populist destructive version of a modern-day American fascism. The only right thing sane Republicans can do now is stand to it: vocally, publicly and forcefully. Because in the end, there can and will be only one winner: if normalcy retreats, the insanity wins.

There has to be a clear vocal group, circle of Republicans at all levels, in all states standing to fascism, now both moral duty and utmost responsibility. If, not when the insanity passes, it can become the core of the renewed party. And the delinquents who failed their call and duty so profoundly and miserably will need to be condemned, personally and individually, for a clear record in history. That could be one possible beginning of a path to redemption. Make it a precedent, too.

Think about it now because from here, nothing is assured. Any future is possible.

Edited January 14 by myata

ironstone · January 14

To be more accurate, the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic.

myata · January 14

Hear? It's no surprise that one of the first things fascists will want to be done with is democracy. The freedoms will go next then any chance of prosperity other than through aggressive wars. All is already written in the past and repeated countless times. We knew everything.

myata · January 14

... and you signed up only the for the "policy" part in the picture book? Well that's just too bad - dinosaurs may know where and who to complain to in such cases.

Aristides · January 14

10 minutes ago, ironstone said:

To be more accurate, the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic.

I hear this bullshit all the time. I doubt the people spouting it even know what it means The US is a representative democracy like other democracies. It is a republic because it doesn't have a monarch, like all republics. It has a constitution like most other democracies whether they have a monarch or not. It is representative because it is to large for direct democracy so people elect other people to represent them, like all other democracies whether they have monarchs or not.

Aristides · January 14

The Republican party is now the Trump party. Once Der Fuhrer is gone, who knows what its future will be. Assuming the US is still a democracy.

myata · January 14

29 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Once Der Fuhrer is gone, who knows what its future will be

Except they are also defining it, the future with their choices now: every one, small and large will count. Folding to every grotesque nonsense - and plain betrayal of principles; violations of constitutional process and balances will result in a different and worse, all the way to the worst possible future. No bets now. There's no guaranteed tomorrow because some paper was written over two centuries ago. From here it's simple really: if one isn't standing to it, they are enabling it. The balance will decide the future.

Aristides · January 14

1 minute ago, myata said:

Except they are also defining it, the future with their choices now: every one, small and large will count. Folding to every grotesque nonsense - and plain betrayal of principles; violations of constitutional process and balances will result in a different and worse, all the way to the worst possible future. No bets now. There's no guaranteed tomorrow because some paper was written over two centuries ago. From here it's simple really: if one isn't standing to it, they are enabling it. The balance will decide the future.

Yes, any constitution is only as good as the people who are willing to stick up for it. It isn't some magic piece of paper that guarantees anything.

myata · January 14

If democracy survives in America somehow - a tall order because constitutional balances are clearly broken or discarded willingly, every one of the delinquents who voted for acquittal in the now infamous in generations event will have to stand a public inquiry and explain a grotesque and resounding failure of the duty to the citizens and the Constitution. If it means something still, not an irrelevant old piece of paper written by naive dreamers.

Every single one. That could be a beginning on the path to redemption. Still hoping to squeeze by rising fascism with less?

Edited January 14 by myata

Politics1990 · January 14

The usa may not even be a democracy by end the of the month to be honest.

Hodad · January 14

@myata I might have phrased that the other way around. Is there a future for democratic America in the Republican party?

The Republican leadership is entirely anti-democratic, and some of the rank-and-file-- even on this forum-- are openly calling for an end to democracy and a transition to dictatorship.

It feel like we're far more likely to cease living in a democracy than we are to see the end of the Republican cult.

Radiorum · January 14

2 hours ago, myata said:

rising fascism

There is no universally accepted definition of fascism, but some more-or-less accepted characteristics of it:

- power concentrated at the top – and all that matters is what the Leader says.

- the Leader identifies enemies.

- extreme militaristic nationalism.

- irrationally misdirected anger and frustration.

- willingness to make changes in official party positions in order to win elections or consolidate power.

- hatred of Marxists of all stripes, from totalitarian communists to democratic socialists.

- propaganda. (A fascist tells stories – doesn’t matter if they are true.)

Trump seems to foot the bill. And the confusing thing about it, is that it so goes against the American tradition.

At the link below is Woody Guthrie singing "All You Fascists Bound to Lose" (1:34 minutes)

“Let’s show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do.”

Radiorum · January 14

Woody Guthrie -- I Ain't Got No Home/Old Man Trump by the Missin' Cousins

In December 1950, Woody Guthrie moved to an apartment building in Brooklyn – Beach Haven Apartments. His landlord: Fred Trump, father of Donald Trump. Woody Guthrie wrote these lyrics in 1951, and 65 years later, the Missin' Cousins, a County-Western music group from Oakland California, present a recording of these new lyrics to I Ain't Got No Home in this World Anymore.

Moonlight Graham · January 15

The GOP are filled with loons and knuckle-draggers and have been for decades (loons and knuckle-draggers will disagree with me here). But the Democrats are putting up an alternative so bland, weak, and corrupt that the American voter has been waffling back and forth between these crappy parties. The GOP at least projects strength, which Americans like. They'd rather go down guns blazing than with a wimper.

Western universities are producing systems of thought that preach self-loathing and guilt and values that say protecting people's feelings are more important than truth, expression, and free debate. As more younger generations go through the education system the Democrats will keep leaning that way until something in the culture changes. This ideology is so stupid that they don't realize they're inadvertently red-pilling most people who don't hate themselves (their race, gender, country etc) and creating their own opposition because this bullsh*t needs to be stopped. They'll even vote for a fascist-lite sex offender ****** to do it.

myata · January 15

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

But the Democrats are putting up an alternative so bland, weak, and corrupt that the American voter has been waffling back and forth between these crappy parties. The GOP at least projects strength, which Americans like.

It rings truth, Democrats are completely absorbed in themselves and lost all connection to the reality. Personal pronouns and parades, the most pressing priority of the society, one example. The binary nature of politics simply makes them take for granted that everyone who has reason and some integrity will have no choice but to go with them. One, two, three failures, in a row - no reflection, no lessons just keep drumming the same tune.

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They'd rather go down

By all factual signs this is a clear possibility. The first American constitution 1789 - 2024 RIP.

Edited January 15 by myata

myata · January 15

Look how the legacy of the German fascist party played out in generations. Republicans you won't be able to claim naive ignorance here. Every single one who will be walking with it will be doing it with eyes wide open, by a conscious voluntary choice.

myata · January 19

Well, my assessment is in, and I'm speaking only for myself. The Democrats certainly committed an unforgivable act of carelessness and stupidity; sad and miserable, in the view of the responsibility and possible consequences. One isn't allowed many of these before all hope is lost.

But the Republicans are gone indeed: done and sealed for anything good. From the shame and betrayal of this magnitude, there's no coming back. No happy redemption stories there. And no Nazi party in today's Germany.

robosmith · January 20

On 1/14/2025 at 10:38 AM, ironstone said:

To be more accurate, the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic.

"democracy" is INCLUDED in "constitutional republic" when the representatives ARE ELECTED. Duh

robosmith · January 20

On 1/15/2025 at 10:59 AM, myata said:

Look how the legacy of the German fascist party played out in generations. Republicans you won't be able to claim naive ignorance here. Every single one who will be walking with it will be doing it with eyes wide open, by a conscious voluntary choice.

But they are IGNORANT of HISTORY and can therefore CLAIM IT.

WestCanMan · January 20

Myata and political smash create more stupid threads than robo. This forum is becoming a litter box.

myata · January 20

There may not be coming back from this shame and this betrayal. Election win at the cost of the ultimate downfall of integrity and substance. The legacy. "We helped Him to power": the motto will now reverberate in generations.

Edited January 20 by myata

robosmith · January 20

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Myata and political smash create more stupid threads than robo. This forum is becoming a litter box.

It is becoming a litter box, lined with right wing propaganda "news" like NYP, Epoch Times, and Gateway Pundit and that's just a short list for example

Of course, NONE has had to pay anywhere near $800M for libel like FOS LIES.

myata · January 20

Let's recall how they got here: in the fist days after Jan 6th and the election assault most public Republicans folded on a slightest of a cue. There was no struggle. They were warned of a slippery slope and they walked it all the way to the shameful, dismal end. Integrity, principles, constitutional duty all traded for political expedience. A total, irredeemable corruption of nature.

From a shame of this depth, there's no walking back. There's no future for this party in any normal future of America if it's still possible. Individuals of integrity, principles and responsibility, for the America and the world are advised to leave it as soon as possible. If for your own sake, as the past clearly shows. There's no way to control it but it will try to control and consume you, whole till nothing is left of the former self. Nothing but shame is left there. So be it.

WestCanMan · January 20

8 hours ago, myata said:

There may not be coming back from this shame and this betrayal. Election win at the cost of the ultimate downfall of integrity and substance. The legacy. "We helped Him to power": the motto will now reverberate in generations.

There's a president that speaks English again