Whos really to blame for the LA wildfire? Donnie or Gavin Newscum who diverts water from its natural path into the ocean and refuses to do any sort of wildfire/forestry management because of faulty woke ideology?

[Venandi]

55 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Only ^IGNORANT FOOLS can IGNORE that the vast majority of climatologists   KNOW that man is causing the climate to change with GIGA-TONS of fossil fuel CO2 being dumped into the atmosphere EVERY YEAR.

 

 

Whether people get baptized into your cult or not is tragically irrelevant.

There's no need for them to agree with you about WHAT dried out the brush or WHAT drives the wind. They accept the fact that there's too much brush, it's dangerously dry, the wind is blowing and there are lunatics with blow touches off the reserve and running naked through the burbs.

You seem stuck on winning an academic debate but even a glorious victory won't solve the most pressing issues at hand. I'm not sure what you're after here, do you want to be right or do you want to fix the problem?  

I guess there's a third option, we could simply wait until a world accord on emissions is reached and nature returns to levels you think it should and the threat is mitigated of its own accord.

I'm just not willing to wait that long.

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[User]

Just now, godzilla said:

you really should address the huge blind spot you experience with your cognitive dissonance.

climate disasters are happening at a very pronounced increasing rate. its the rate of change. its coming down our throats hard now and will only worsen. and its because of the greenhouse gasses that we dump into the atmosphere at ever increasing amounts.

read that last paragraph twice if you have to. to get the point.

Not really, no. Things like hurricanes have been less frequent. Did you have a specific example? Enjoy your flowers!

 

[robosmith]

Just now, Venandi said:

Whether people get baptized into your cult or not is tragically irrelevant.

Sorry, I don't belong to any cult pretending to be an expert on climate, like YOU.

I listen to SCIENTISTS EXPERT in CLIMATE.

Just now, Venandi said:

There's no need for them to agree with you about WHAT dried out the brush or WHAT drives the wind. They accept the fact that there's too much brush, it's dangerously dry, the wind is blowing and there are lunatics with blow touches off the reserve and running naked through the burbs.

Pix or it  didn't happen. LMAO

Just now, Venandi said:

You seem stuck on winning an academic debate but even a glorious victory won't solve the most pressing issues at hand. I'm not sure what you're after here, do you want to be right or do you want to fix the problem?  

You can't fix a problem without being right about the cause. Duh

[godzilla]

1 minute ago, User said:

Not really, no. Things like hurricanes have been less frequent. Did you have a specific example? Enjoy your flowers!

 

you don't look at citations?

2024: An active year of U.S. billion-dollar weather and climate disasters

 

i can come up with endless citations to raw data on the matter.

feel free to counter with something other than your belief system that someone else has curated for you.

[User]

Just now, robosmith said:

I listen to SCIENTISTS EXPERT in CLIMATE.

I highly doubt you do. I imagine you have not read one thing from a climate scientist. You just repeat what you have heard from whatever leftist sources you follow. 

1 minute ago, godzilla said:

you don't look at citations?

Once again, the cost of a disaster is obviously going to go up... because we didn't have million dollar homes lining the coasts 100 years ago like we do now. Inflation has gone up since 100 years ago. 

This isn't supporting your argument at all. 

 

[Venandi]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You can't fix a problem without being right about the cause. Duh

Well, can't help you then. I

f you need unanimous agreement on global warming before clearing brush, charging hydrants, staffing departments, etc etc then hunker down with marshmallows.

DUH 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, User said:

Sure... but if I start your house on fire and fire fighters take an hour to get there and then when they do there is no water in the fire hydrants, so everyone just stands around and watches your house burn down, but happen to see that you have fallen down inside and need help, but the LGBTQ DEI hire woman can't carry you out and leaves you there to die saying, oh well, you should not have gotten yourself into that position... and then your family finds out that the government cut the budget and instead of training to fight fires, they are out learning about DEI... and they knew the fire hydrants did not have enough water and never improved them...

Yeah, we can certainly blame the arsonist, but that doesn't mean there is not more blame to go around in the failure of a response. 

 

True. There is direct blame and ansilorry blame I guess.

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[eyeball]

35 minutes ago, Venandi said:

The fact that you want to adapt is heartening,

I'd love to adapt, I just don't think it's possible anymore, we've left it to long. We needed to start adapting decades and decades ago when the science of what was happening was becoming obvious.

35 minutes ago, Venandi said:

When Democrats are ready to stop screaming climate change, role up their sleeves and begin trying to mitigate its effects you'll find no shortage of cooperation. And you may be surprised to see that it comes from people

Well the Democrats are no longer an issue and the Liberals are circling the same drain meaning it's the right wings world to lose now. I'm serious when I say I truly hope you guys are right...

It's Hail Mary time and I can't wait to see how unleashing the economy and slashing taxes will fix things. Actually it's probably closer to Evel Knievel time.

Good luck. All eyes will be on you.

35 minutes ago, Venandi said:

They've been saying "hey, let's get on with this" for years.

Yeah well, have they really considered the cost? I've done exactly what they're talking about. Adapting is hellishly expensive. Trust me you will balk, big time, when that becomes obvious.

You should consider bringing in more immigrants, you will need an army of labourers.

35 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Up until now they've only gotten a lesson in global climatology from Herb and Robo, and they can't  even find a brush pile when a blind monkey leads them to one.

Well there's your problem right there, you should have been listening to scientists and experts instead of people you have no use for. You should have been doing this decades ago.

 

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[eyeball]

So after 50 years of denial now we're going to be treated to another 50 years denying the denial.

[godzilla]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You can't fix a problem without being right about the cause. Duh

40k years ago a homo sapien Eve gave birth to children who would rule the earth. the Cognitive Revolution. mankind was able to associate in much larger numbers by identifying with a story. the story of the leader who caught lightning. a god. a fabricated belief system. religion/ideology.

only in the last 1k years have humans discovered the ability to create a new story. one that is compared to the natural world. science. a new belief system. and a methodology that is self correcting in real time.

but the old reason methods of humans identifying with each other will die hard.

it must be so frustrating to actually try and debate using the very t schemas of scientific logic the fabricated belief systems of religion/ideology.

but i digress...

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, Venandi said:

I guess there's a third option, we could simply wait until a world accord on emissions is reached and nature returns to levels you think it should and the threat is mitigated of its own accord.

I'm just not willing to wait that long.

There is a 4th option, driving civilization off a cliff. That will quite effectively and efficiently rearrange our economy so it's more in line with nature's capacity to sustain it. Don't worry you won't have to wait long.

You can have a natural environment without a human economy anywhere in sight but you can't have it the other way around. At least not for very long.

[User]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'd love to adapt, I just don't think it's possible anymore, we've left it to long. We needed to start adapting decades and decades ago when the science of what was happening was becoming obvious.

So, what are you here complaining about and why are you here talking about the things you do to reduce the impact of climate change if you believe it is already too late to do anything?

 

[Venandi]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I just don't think it's possible anymore, we've left it to long.

Just because you can't do everything doesn't mean you should do nothing.

No one expects you to arrest the criminal robbing your neighbours house... calling 911, writing down a licence number and description of the bad guys is a possible option though. Maybe installing a security system in your own home might be in order too. 

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I can't wait to see how unleashing the economy and slashing taxes will fix things.

Totally irrelevant to the task at hand and you know it. Clearing brush, charging hydrants, funding emergency services is job one. I don't care whether you're liberal, democrat, conservative. or republican, if you can't do that stay home.

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Adapting is hellishly expensive.

Clearly so is not adapting, it's a choice and voters will be the ones to make it. Nothing like experience to clarify priorities. 

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

you should have been listening to scientists and experts instead of people you have no use for. You should have been doing this decades ago.

Just curious... if the remnants of a hurricane are forecast to hit your town tomorrow, do you go outside, take a look around, pick up and store loose items, maybe cut down that dead tree you meant to get rid of last month?

Or...  do you throw your hands in the air, blame the hurricane on global warming and chafe about who you didn't vote for decades ago and blame your neighbour for having a different opinion?

I don't understand this mindset at all and I don't know anyone IRL who thinks that way. Sheltered military life maybe but that's why I find this forum so fascinating. 

 

Edited January 11 by Venandi

[godzilla]

11 minutes ago, User said:

I highly doubt you do. I imagine you have not read one thing from a climate scientist. You just repeat what you have heard from whatever leftist sources you follow. 

Once again, the cost of a disaster is obviously going to go up... because we didn't have million dollar homes lining the coasts 100 years ago like we do now. Inflation has gone up since 100 years ago. 

This isn't supporting your argument at all. 

 

the data is adjusted for inflation. but whatever. we'll move on to the thousands of citations from the people who measure this stuff.

how about that "leftist" organization NASA?

As the climate changes, the frequency and intensity of extreme weather events are increasing.

weather is getting more extreme quickly. in our lifetimes.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 1/9/2025 at 10:24 PM, West said:

You mean like a pandemic that was blamed on Trump to win an election? 

No. Trump did not start a pandemic. 

[User]

3 minutes ago, godzilla said:

the data is adjusted for inflation. but whatever. we'll move on to the thousands of citations from the people who measure this stuff.

I did not only argue inflation either. So... whatever. 

You are moving the goal posts from climate disasters to a much broader and vague extreme climate events... the link you cited was talking about things like record level temperatures. 

So, again, you pick the disaster you want to focus on, lets see your example. I gave you mine, hurricanes. They are less frequent. 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Long after Newsom has left the political stage California will suffer with ever worse fires. That’s my prediction. 

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Just because you can't do everything doesn't mean you should do nothing.

The problem is that we didn't do enough if anything a lot sooner. Now it's going to be fat far more expensive...too expensive.

11 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Totally irrelevant to the task at hand and you know it. Clearing brush, charging hydrants, funding emergency services is and was job one. I don't care whether you're liberal, democrat, conservative. or republican, if you can't do that stay home.

Where are you going to get the vast amounts of money that mitigating and adapting will cost? You guys have another plan in mind?

11 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Clearly so is not adapting, it's a choice and voters will be the ones to make it. Nothing like experience to clarify priorities. 

Like I said, wait until the estimates start coming in.

11 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Just curious... if the remnants of a hurricane are forecast to hit your town tomorrow, do you go outside, take a look around, pick up and store loose items, maybe cut down that dead tree you meant to get rid of last month?

We get hit with storms all the time around where I've lived for 50 years now. 4 new boats sank at the dock I'm tied up at during the last storm. But I've done this before so...

 

11 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Or...  do you throw your hands in the air, blame the hurricane on global warming and chafe about who you didn't vote for decades ago?

I don't understand this mindset at all.

No, you start costing out what you're actually proposing, then you'll be throwing your hands up...like you have been for decades.

I do understand this mindset, it became painfully obvious when you started throwing your hands up.

Edited January 11 by eyeball

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I do understand this mindset, it became painfully obvious when you started throwing your hands up.

Cool, then let the brush collect, don't charge the hydrants, defund the fire department and sell off the water bombers. 

LOL, actually I guess that was what happened... so do more of it and do it faster.

God provides worms for Robbins but he doesn't pry their beaks open and stuff them down their throats.

Cheers

Edited January 11 by Venandi

[robosmith]

50 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Well, can't help you then. I

f you need unanimous agreement on global warming before clearing brush, charging hydrants, staffing departments, etc etc then hunker down with marshmallows.

DUH 

I need you to stop lying about what I said. Duh

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

Up until now they've only gotten a lesson in global climatology from Herb and Robo, and they can't  even find a brush pile when a blind monkey leads them to one.

Stop LYING. No one is, nor should be, listening to me about climate, except those of YOU who are too stupid to read and UNDERSTAND the peer reviewed RESEARCH JOURNALS, which is where I get my info.

[godzilla]

25 minutes ago, User said:

I did not only argue inflation either. So... whatever. 

You are moving the goal posts from climate disasters to a much broader and vague extreme climate events... the link you cited was talking about things like record level temperatures. 

So, again, you pick the disaster you want to focus on, lets see your example. I gave you mine, hurricanes. They are less frequent. 

 

absolutely correct. hurricanes are less frequent or the same.

and much stronger when they do come.

[robosmith]

34 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Just because you can't do everything doesn't mean you should do nothing.

Who EVER told you we're doing NOTHING? LMAO

Doing less than necessary because people are too cheap is THE PROBLEM.

[robosmith]

On 1/9/2025 at 5:54 PM, West said:

You mean like a pandemic that was blamed on Trump to win an election? 

The blame was on his INCOMPETENCE and IGNORANCE about the response.

He thought he could beat it by IGNORING IT and that DIDN'T WORK for his campaign NOR saving lives.

On 1/10/2025 at 9:56 AM, Deluge said:

Thanks partial. 

Did you let Newsom and that air head mayor of LA know? They don't know what in the f*ck is going on.

Certainly ^YOU DON'T

[West]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The blame was on his INCOMPETENCE and IGNORANCE about the response.

He thought he could beat it by IGNORING IT and that DIDN'T WORK for his campaign NOR saving lives.

Certainly ^YOU DON'T

Reports are Newscum slashed 100 million from wildfire preparedness even as they yell about climate change. 

Probably redirecting funds to pay for tampons for men.