Climate Change is Real: Actor and Trump supporter James Woods loses everything

[CdnFox]

WHEN LEFTIES ARE ASKED TO PROVIDE THE SCIECE....

[impartialobserver]

Whether or not, climate change is human caused or not.... is irrelevant. When white settlers came to what we now call LA... guess what? It was a desert. The central Valley was even more arid. And now you put millions upon millions there.. you deplete the surface water as a result. So going to be dry and therefore a tinder box. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Increasingly worse.

Not really. The simple fact of the matter is we don't do anything to adapt. The earth is in a constant state of either getting warmer or cooler or doing something. Humans and every other form of life succeed by adapting to these changes.

We don't have forest fires or even more severe forest fires because of climate change. We have them because we get lazy and we don't address the problems that are right in front of us and adapt.

Years ago the federal government got a report saying they needed to clear the beetle kill and take care of the Jasper national forests better. They didn't do a single thing. Then the forest burnt down and took Jasper with it. And everyone like you cried about how it was climate change. If we know there's a risk and we take no action.... it's not climate change. 

There were talking years ago about the need to clean up the forests in those areas in Cali that are burning.  They were told of the severe risk. They did nothing. 

This isn't climate change. 

 

[Venandi]

52 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Seems I'm relevant enough for you to feel the need to debate with

Yup ya got me there.

Admittedly, I was wrong not to recognize the signs in plain view... foolish optimism maybe. In my own defence I can only say that I'm used to the sign left by furry forest creatures who leave a trail of logic to follow. 

 

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41 minutes ago, User said:

The team I am on? LOL

Yes. The same team that's so preoccupied and obsessed with the left it can't think straight about anything, least of all anything a lefty is concerned about.

41 minutes ago, User said:

Humans are best at adaptation and mitigation, not prevention here. 

Do you have any idea how expensive adaptation and mitigation is?

I managed 25 man crews mitigating ecosystems damaged by poor logging practices. You can burn through half a million dollars pretty quickly, especially if you need helicopters. It's hard physical sometimes dangerous work that requires a lot of people who need to be paid, fed and housed.

41 minutes ago, User said:

Climate change is happening with or without humans and has for as long as there has been a climate on Earth. So, the issue is, how much do we contribute? How bad is it? We marginally contribute, which means we can marginally not... but climate will continue to change. 

The vast VAST majority of scientists and experts long ago concluded our current contribution to anthropogenic global warming is huge and becoming increasingly dangerous.

Damn right the climate will continue changing, and increasingly faster than adaptive measures can keep up with never mind afford.

1 hour ago, User said:

Folks on the left act like the world will be destroyed, and even science doesn't support that. 

LOL. The world will not be destroyed until our sun becomes a red giant but there's lots we can do to make it less habitable in the meantime, doing that is so cheap it's virtually free.

1 hour ago, User said:

The simple fact is that we are better at adapting.

Until the bill comes due then it's back to denying, discrediting and ignoring the science, blaming others and focusing on how woke and dumb the left is for giving a shit.

1 hour ago, User said:

your plan is to spend the next 100 years trying to marginally reduce emissions while China and India completely don't care and erase anything you do or the politicians 

The time for prevention went out the window decades ago. The time to adapt or mitigate is running out and the cost to do so is probably comparable to our national debt. Speaking for myself my plan is to try and survive the plunge over the cliff.

2 hours ago, User said:

So why don't we understand that fire season can be bad, put more $$$ into fire prevention, having enough water in the reservoirs to fight those fires now. 

What about the smelts and poor farmers? They need the water too.

 

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What about the smelts and poor farmers? They need the water too.

 

Anyone want to trade my daily limit in smelts for their house... PMs only please.

Robo... you could trade me your house for a bag of smelts and move in with Herb, I promise to rent it to an immigrant who hates you. 

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Humans and every other form of life succeed by adapting to these changes.

Depends how fast the changes come and if you can keep pace with them. Lots of other species aren't and we're having to struggle harder ourselves.

Sustainability is an increasingly precarious proposition.

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sustainability is an increasingly precarious proposition.

Only if you have trouble with situational analysis and setting priorities.

Deflecting the effects of reality doesn't actually modify reality or extinguish the existence of it... staying dry under an umbrella doesn't mean it isn't raining, only that you adapted to the reality of rain.

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

Yup ya got me there.

Admittedly, I was wrong not to recognize the signs in plain view... foolish optimism maybe. In my own defence I can only say that I'm used to the sign left by furry forest creatures who leave a trail of logic to follow. 

Now I understand you. You believe shit is logic. LMAO

[Venandi]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You believe shit is logic.

Surprisingly enough you even managed to get that backwards... I actually believe your logic is shit.

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Surprisingly enough you even managed to get that backwards... I actually believe your logic is shit.

^NOT what you SAID:

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the sign left by furry forest creatures who leave a trail of logic to follow. 

The trail left by forest creatures is SHIT, which you've mistaken for logic.

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57 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Only if you have trouble with situational analysis and setting priorities.

Yeah, there's the rub.

58 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Deflecting the effects of reality doesn't actually modify reality or extinguish the existence of it... staying dry under an umbrella doesn't mean it isn't raining, only that you adapted to the reality of rain.

Well, the issue underlying this thread is adapting to the reality of increasingly ferocious wildfires. Some estimates are the total economic loss from this one will be as high as 150 billion dollars.

Forecast for total economic losses as high as $150 bln

I don't know it that's before or after prevention, mitigation or adaptation costs are accounted for. In any case that's one expensive umbrella for one wildfire.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Depends how fast the changes come and if you can keep pace with them. Lots of other species aren't and we're having to struggle harder ourselves.

 

Sure I'll concede the point your entirely correct but I don't believe that this was a factor in the two examples were discussing. I feel like there was more than enough time for human beings given their technology and supposedly intellect a base to adopt to the idea of cleaning up the forest Or improving firefighting access and equipment readiness.

Also - to any americans listening - quit shooting down our firebombers with drones!  Ya dinks!  Yeash! 

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sustainability is an increasingly precarious proposition.

in the absence of control adaption becomes critical. And I think we can both agree that no matter what Canada does our entire output barely factors into global emissions. Adaptation is crucial for us

[Venandi]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

The trail left by forest creatures is SHIT, which you've mistaken for logic.

You seem to have all of this backwards.... 

The trail left by forest creatures are called tracks, sometimes tracks are found on trails. I see how it could be confusing for you.

On the other hand, it seems that the latent prints of your logic have a certain odour to them.

 

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29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure I'll concede the point your entirely correct but I don't believe that this was a factor in the two examples were discussing.

I didn't present it as a factor to these. It was a reply to your comment, Humans and every other form of life succeed by adapting to these changes.

 

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We don't have forest fires or even more severe forest fires because of climate change. We have them because we get lazy and we don't address the problems that are right in front of us and adapt.

This is a failure of mitigating how we look at and behave in the world. We're failing to adapt our human nature to the capacity of the world to sustain us and instead come up with excuses to prevent having to do that.

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Years ago the federal government got a report saying they needed to clear the beetle kill and take care of the Jasper national forests better. They didn't do a single thing. Then the forest burnt down and took Jasper with it. And everyone like you cried about how it was climate change. If we know there's a risk and we take no action.... it's not climate change. 

There were talking years ago about the need to clean up the forests in those areas in Cali that are burning.  They were told of the severe risk. They did nothing. 

This isn't climate change. 

That's right it's just politics and the usual blah blah blah. I never cried I simply shrugged because I've seen it all before. The forest burned down because of that and as is increasingly the case climate change simply made it worse.

If we know there's a risk but fail to take action its politics not climate change.

But sure, if people think raking up California's forests is the answer they better start thinking about the army of workers and costs of sustaining the effort.

I was talking about the need for full time dedicated Environmental Works Departments decades ago.

Environmental Works Departments?  Bwaahahahaha!

I know right? Crazy fu ckin' lefty...

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

in the absence of control adaption becomes critical.

Agreed, that's pretty much the crux of it and we're horribly late getting started.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I think we can both agree that no matter what Canada does our entire output barely factors into global emissions.

Not withstanding the accuracy of the observation, getting agreement on it seems to be problematic... I don't even see why agreement on complex modelling is (for some) a mandatory precursor to the mitigation and suppression efforts clearly required. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Adaptation is crucial for us

And it's way past time to get on with it IMO.

Time to roll... How easy was that eh?

Edited January 11 by Venandi

[gatomontes99]

His house didn't burn down. Sorry libs. Your disgusting behavior only served to further strengthen the belief that you are, collectively, a disgusting waste of food and oxygen.

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I feel like there was more than enough time for human beings given their technology and supposedly intellect a base to adopt to the idea of cleaning up the forest Or improving firefighting access and equipment readiness.

Sure there was time but when you're talking about spending money on the environment to prevent something that might not happen....our financial/political and of course ideological nature trumps the supposedly intellectual side of our human nature that might give pause to consider.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

in the absence of control adaption becomes critical. And I think we can both agree that no matter what Canada does our entire output barely factors into global emissions. Adaptation is crucial for us

So what?  The intent of this line of reasoning is to justify unleashing our fossil fuel industries and ignores the fact the fossil fuels we sell still get burned and emit CO2.

This is not adapting, it's like justifying the peddling of asbestos.

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[Hodad]

32 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

His house didn't burn down. Sorry libs. Your disgusting behavior only served to further strengthen the belief that you are, collectively, a disgusting waste of food and oxygen.

This reminds me of something...

 

Oh, that's right. Go fark yourself.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

You seem to have all of this backwards.... 

The trail left by forest creatures are called tracks, sometimes tracks are found on trails. I see how it could be confusing for you.

On the other hand, it seems that the latent prints of your logic have a certain odour to them.

They also leave shit behind. 

So now you're saying their tracks are logic, which makes just as much sense as shit. 

AKA, more IDIOCY.

[West]

Looks like Woods didn't lose his home afterall

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I didn't present it as a factor to these. It was a reply to your comment, Humans and every other form of life succeed by adapting to these changes.

...Which was part of the discussion of those two factors.

 

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This is a failure of mitigating how we look at and behave in the world. We're failing to adapt our human nature to the capacity of the world to sustain us and instead come up with excuses to prevent having to do that.

If by that you mean they were too lazy to address proper forest management practices then absolutely

 

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That's right it's just politics and the usual blah blah blah. I never cried I simply shrugged because I've seen it all before. The forest burned down because of that and as is increasingly the case climate change simply made it worse.

I really see no evidence of climate change making it worse. For some always burnt down and we've always had our challenges and climate always changes but the practices we had 30 years ago are not as appropriate today as they were 30 years ago. Yet we still practice them. And I think more than anything that's what gets us into trouble. We think we can just keep doing the same things we've done for the last X number of years and that's fine without realizing that if the world changes we have to change with it.

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If we know there's a risk but fail to take action its politics not climate change.

But sure, if people think raking up California's forests is the answer they better start thinking about the army of workers and costs of sustaining the effort.

 

Once you're planning can account for that easy enough. If we have to thin the trees or look at doing things differently one way or another then there's always a solution. It's when we ignore things that we run into trouble

 

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I was talking about the need for full time dedicated Environmental Works Departments decades ago.

  

 

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I know right? Crazy fu ckin' lefty...

No just crazy if you think that just talking was going to do anything. You can't have been that serious about it if all you did was talk.

And we have ministries that are responsible for this stuff. Creating more bureaucracy is probably not the answer and certainly wasn't what was holding us back from taking appropriate action. We have always looked at fire mitigation. We've always looked at how to address flooding and other natural issues that are direct result of our environment. That is nothing new or revolutionary or even left wing, hell the hunters have paid for a absolute crap tonne of works through groups like ducks unlimited and the bear program in bc to preserve and protect and adapt various natural areas to weather and human activity and such. And that's going back damn near 100 years now. 

But we waste our time and resources screwing around with carbon taxes that do NOTHING instead, and that's where all the political discussion winds up.

[User]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

This reminds me of something...

 

Oh, that's right. Go fark yourself.

Big tough guy, hiding like a coward from me. 

2 hours ago, West said:

Looks like Woods didn't lose his home afterall

I am seeing a few stories like this, where folks stayed behind, and all it took was just a little bit of effort on their part to put out the fires around their homes to save them, while the whole neighborhood burned because there were no firefighters there to do the same. 

Just crazy. 

 

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11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No just crazy if you think that just talking was going to do anything. You can't have been that serious about it if all you did was talk.

7 years I put into it....university courses...working in the field... community/regional activism...

Then the hatchery's capacity was severely limited, habitat restoration stopped and the ministries responsible for this stuff washed their hands of it.

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But we waste our time and resources screwing around with carbon taxes that do NOTHING instead, and that's where all the political discussion winds up.

And throughout it all there were people exactly like you...rolling their eyes, calling it a waste of time, effort and money.

It's kind of hilarious watching you folks talking about action, mitigation and adapting...

🙄 You're wasting your time, trust me, I've seen it all before, decades ago. 

[User]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're wasting your time, trust me, I've seen it all before, decades ago. 

Decades ago?

Sounds like you are wasting your time.