The Proud Canadians.

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Thats right , and it is not white privilege it is the law, with no proof it is just here say....It is not sacred ground, it is government land where residential schools once sat...they recorded a blip on ground penetrating radar they could not tell for certain if it is a rock, buried treasure, or alien spacecraft, all would make for great stories but nothing has been proved yet...

leftists ; White Supremacist Settler Colonial Genocidal State !

leftists ; Post National State No Core Identity !

enter Donald Trump ;

leftists ; come on everybody, rally round the colours !

[herbie]

Settlers. Colonizers. Imperialists. Enough said.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, herbie said:

Settlers. Colonizers. Imperialists. Enough said.

Sure chug. 

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, herbie said:

Settlers. Colonizers. Imperialists.

God save the King !

 

[Army Guy]

26 minutes ago, herbie said:

Settlers. Colonizers. Imperialists. Enough said.

And yet those actions are what made us into what we are today....good or bad, you and me can not change that fact, you and Justin are free to apologize until your lips turn blue...it is not going to make a difference in our history, you and justin need to move on now...

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Settlers. Colonizers. Imperialists. Enough said.

Yeah why would you want to live in a civilization and continue to collect your benefits?  Leave town and scavenge for your food according to the pre-colonial native ways.  

[Dougie93]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Leave town and scavenge for your food according to the pre-colonial native ways.  

exactly what the Canadian Normies will be doing in the coming trade war

from the tent cities on the side of the highways

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

exactly what the Canadian Normies will be doing in the coming trade war

from the tent cities on the side of the highways

If it gets to that stage in Canada, I can promise you there will be much bigger problems than culture wars and bogus claims of Canadian colonial genocide to worry about.

The truth is that if Trump tries to use economic pressure to impose a state of affairs on Canada and multiple countries, as well as unfair trade rules, that Canadians and the peoples of other countries oppose, Canada will find many other willing partners with which to trade, including for oil, gas, and rare earth minerals.  Canada will at that point become more independent from the U.S. and ride out the economic costs, because the population will be on a unified mission. The U.S. will pay an economic price and lose respect internationally, especially since this whole mess will be of the U.S.‘s making.

If Trump chooses this course of action, the result will be a collapse of world markets and domestic demand in the U.S., as the realization hits that people can’t afford the higher costs and volatility.  I don’t just guess this.  I know it.

Trump has an opportunity to forge new strong partnerships with Canada and other countries based on a more common sense set of common cultural values.  There’s even a chance to expand opportunities for the citizens of both the U.S. and Canada through a new economic union.  However, if this tariff brinksmanship goes off a cliff and hurts average Canadian families, Canada will become more independent from the U.S. and Americans will be resented.  Canadians will adapt and they won’t forget.  It’s a short window of opportunity for Trump. The bluster and pride could backfire, and other powers will fill the void left by a belligerent U.S..

The trade imbalance between the countries is exaggerated.  This sabre rattling best die down before good hard working people get hurt, because if they are, it won’t end well for the U.S. and Canada will come out the other side.  Decency and democracy win.  

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

  However, if this tariff brinksmanship goes off a cliff and hurts average Canadian families, Canada will become more independent from the U.S. and Americans will be resented.  Canadians will adapt and they won’t forget.  It’s a short window of opportunity for Trump. The bluster and pride could backfire, and other powers will fill the void left by a belligerent U.S..

The trade imbalance between the countries is exaggerated.  This sabre rattling best die down before good hard working people get hurt, because if they are, it won’t end well for the U.S. and Canada will come out the other side.  Decency and democracy win.  

America is going to win and Canada is going to lose,

there's no moral of the story where self righteous Canada is vindicated

Canada just gets curb stomped while America carries on being the global Hegemon regardless

Canadians already resent Americans,

but nobody cares about Canada's pathological inferiority complex therein,

the only other power is China, and Canada is not going to get a better deal from them

that being said, it is a buying opportunity

because the American markets are overvalued

while Canada, having crippled itself, is undervalued

furthermore, the Canadian nanny state will massively subsidize with Canadian tax dollars

it's going to be pandemic levels of the government handing cash to Canadian companies

the Canadian government is always looking for an excuse to do so, and this is a big one

so this could be a win-win for American investors

sell high in New York, buy low in Toronto

Edited January 29 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

America is going to win and Canada is going to lose,

there's no moral of the story where self righteous Canada is vindicated

Canada just gets curb stomped while America carries on being the global Hegemon regardless

Canadians already resent Americans,

but nobody cares about Canada's pathological inferiority complex therein,

the only other power is China, and Canada is not going to get a better deal from them

that being said, it is a buying opportunity

because the American markets are overvalued

while Canada, having crippled itself, is undervalued

furthermore, the Canadian nanny state will massively subsidize with Canadian tax dollars

it's going to be pandemic levels of the government handing cash to Canadian companies

the Canadian government is always looking for an excuse to do so, and this is a big one

so this could be a win-win for American investors

sell high in New York, buy low in Toronto

My prediction is that if the tariffs go through after Canada already wasted $1.2 billion to buy helicopters and other overpriced crap to solve its fake border problem (there really isn’t one, and in any event the U.S. is supposed to manage who comes in as we have to manage what comes into Canada), then the result will be more government wasteful spending to postpone an inevitable result, which will be a major realignment away from US markets.  It will mean Europe and South America, Asia and Africa.  It will also mean more interprovincial trade.  It will mean more refining capacity.  It also means that all stupid fluff gets scrapped in a hurry: DEI, climate action,, etc.  Those are good things. However if the overspending persists, we’ll be even more vulnerable to accepting lousy terms.

If Canada amps up the spending long term and doesn’t adapt, then yes, it’s 51st state or worse.  Canadians don’t understand how deep the problem is of our dependence on the U.S. or how grossly irresponsible this socialist government has been.  We were in a good position under Harper: low debt, strong dollar, responsible government.   Really we just have to get back to that, but our foolish Liberal government has played into the hands of someone who is good to take full advantage of our weakness.  Getting us back to that pre-Trudeau position of strength is a very tall order right now.  We, the U.S., and the world are in different positions.

Personally, I suggest that our government take an open, honest look at what 51st state would mean right now, including how it would play out for our healthcare and social safety net, state rights and powers relative to a federal government in Washington, etc., as we should be looking at realistic options for Canada and what would be best long term.  Alongside that option, we should lay out the costs of greater independence, which will be high, especially until we realign our economy.  The other options are in between those two options, but because of our current vulnerability, some options may not be open to us if the U.S. won’t embrace them.  We should know asap what realistic choices are in front of us instead of simply overspending now to postpone the inevitable.

Canadians are still a highly educated, highly skilled people sitting on very precious real estate.  Don’t underestimate what a unified, driven Canada can achieve, but the current leadership is irresponsible and out of ideas.  A new Conservative government will have a strong mandate for change, including some sacrifices early on.  

Edited January 29 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canadians are still a highly educated, highly skilled people sitting on very precious real estate.  Don’t underestimate what a unified, driven Canada can achieve, but the current leadership is irresponsible and out of ideas.  A new Conservative government will have a strong mandate for change, including some sacrifices early on.  

well, excuse me, but I don't believe that the Conservatives are going to radically change anything

first of all, they're not actually promising to do so

but I don't think they have a mandate to make radical changes, and they seem to be aware of that

I don't see Canadians saying that they are want to rid themselves of an overweening nanny police state

in fact, in an hysterical panic in the face of Donald Trump;

Canadians are doubling down on overweening nanny police state intervention

the only way for Canada to defeat America would be for Canada to become exponentially less protectionist

while Canada is going to go in the opposite direction, taking the bait to engage in a slugfest with the Hegemon

so Canada is going to get its ass kicked on that trajectory

and you can also see the delusion of Canada thinking it is going to diversify somehow therein

but the Europeans or the Asians, or whomever, they are just as protectionist as Canada

protectionist nanny police states are never going to make much headway on diversification

you're all in the same boat ; you rely on America to prop up your nanny states

and if America refuses to do so, you're all f*cked in the same way for the same reason

I mean, newsflash, Canada ; Socialist Europe is not coming to save you

Communist China is not coming to save you

in fact, both Europe & China would be more than willing to throw you under the bus to curry favour with America

so I don't see what you are basing all this bravado on

I mean, Canadians are highly educated ?  Canadians are vastly over educated

and its all the same useless Academics, whom are the problem not the solution

the most foolish self defeating ideas in Canada all emanate from the Academy

Canada is the classic case of elite overabundance ;

the highly educated are the ones who drove Canada into the ditch

frankly, the highly educated are the dumbest f*cking clowns I've ever encountered ;

"Feminist & Indigenous Ways of Knowing !" "White Supremacist Canadian Genocide !"

Yeah, okay, whatever, Canada, good luck with that

Canada is a burden not a boon, it's nothing more than a cartel to prop up the Laurentian Elites

you can't even rely on the courts in Canada anymore,

since the judges are all the same corrupt & incompetent ruling class themselves

the police cannot be relied upon anymore, since they now enforce ideology rather than the law

so called "Canada" is like a soft as warm baby shit Soviet Union

the British North America Act 1867 did great things, no doubt

but the Canada Act 1982 has been a disaster ;

after forty years ; half of Canadians under 40 are perfectly willing to become Americans

 the money is already fleeing Canada for the USA, even the CPP doesn't invest in Canada

the vast bloated bureaucracy is literally Communist ;

they view their role to be seizing private property and punishing people for making profits

the Canadian military has collapsed beyond the point of no return,

Canada's resource wealth is only on paper, the Climate Doom lunatics won't let it come to market

the Charter of Rights & Freedoms is only on paper,

you only have those "rights" if you never try to invoke them

you can't even trust the banks in Canada,

they can debank you and/or seize your bank account without a court order

the country I was born in ; is gone, and it's never coming back

the United Kingdom itself is imploding even faster than Canada is

51st State ?  I'm already there, bro

only America defends me, defends my rights, defends my property

America is filling the void that so called "Canada" has become

that makes America my Westphalian nation state by default

Edited January 29 by Dougie93

[herbie]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure chug. 

Can't even understand what a settler mentality is, so Mr. I'm not a racist speaks up remove all doubt.
Put on your Proud to Be White Trash hat and strut down the street.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Can't even understand what a settler mentality is, so Mr. I'm not a racist speaks up remove all doubt.
Put on your Proud to Be White Trash hat and strut down the street.

Sure chug.

[Dougie93]

On 1/29/2025 at 8:01 AM, Zeitgeist said:

.  Don’t underestimate what a unified, driven Canada can achieve,

Jamie Sarkonak: The foreign interference verdict is in — all Canadians are to blame

For months, various juicy allegations of wrongdoing have oozed out of the intelligence space. One by one, Hogue’s report snuffed them out

But if you’re wondering what level of complicity Canadian officials have in this, Hogue leaves that out. “The intelligence does not necessarily indicate that the elected officials or candidates involved were aware of the interference attempts, nor were the attempts necessarily successful.” Oh, well. Some inquiry that was.

And that’s how the foreign interference inquiry went. No blame was really assigned anywhere. Yes, there appears to be some meddling, and yes, Chinese international students appear to have been bussed in to sway a Liberal nomination race, but no one seems to be responsible for noticing any of it. Except, of course, a nebulous intelligence bureaucracy that seems to suffer constant communication breakdowns with the cabinet in charge of governing. Though no one is at fault there either, you see. These problems are systemic.

Hogue, in the end, made 51 recommendations for change. You can imagine the themes they covered: information-sharing within government should be improved, public communication should be improved, various intelligence bodies should be beefed up, law enforcement should investigate more, fines should be increased, etc.

Within these were buried a few recommendations of great concern: Recommendation 11 proposed a “government entity to monitor the domestic open-source online information environment for misinformation and disinformation that could impact Canadian democratic processes,” possibly with “authority to interact with social media platforms.” That is, proactive monitoring of the internet. Recommendation 32 suggested a public funding system for political parties, as the current donation system, brought in by the Harper government I note, makes (unpopular, desperate) parties vulnerable to foreign sway.

Her other ideas: mandatory citations in political ads, mandatory labels for “altered content” in the news and even a prohibition on undermining the legitimacy of election results. The last is particularly mind-boggling, seeing how her inquiry has failed to assign blame. Without accountability for interference, how can anyone be barred from criticizing the system’s integrity?

Overall, the report amounts to another Laurentian elite lecturing the rest of Canada about how a major system failure in government — caused by people who supervise and serve it — amounts to another precious Learning Moment For All of Us Canadians. Just like the blackface incident, just like the Kokanee groping allegation. Instead of, you know, an occasion for a few major high-profile firings, fines and perhaps criminal investigations.

As always, Canadian everyman, you didn’t do anything wrong. But, because of a few foreign interferers and a slew of government policies have weakened the dominance of English and French (and, in turn, electoral integrity), this judge figures you’d better submit to mass online surveillance while paying more taxes to support government misinformation-correcting initiatives. Individual accountability is next to impossible in this country, so that, I suppose, is the next best thing.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-the-foreign-interference-verdict-is-in-all-canadians-are-to-blame

[Zeitgeist]

How much of the federal government and its various important-sounding bureaucracies are these kinds of Potemkin villages: fake gestures at accountability, governance, and justice?  If in fact the system is a largely useless, expensive facade, maybe it needs to be replaced by an actual theme park with Mounties and moose and log cabins.  How much of this show we call the Canadian government actually does things that serve the public?  I mean, any fool can collect workers’ money, take a massive chunk of it in the form of taxes and give back little pieces as various rebates.  But what does it provide?  Military defence?  Not really.  Postal service?  Well we pay for that when we buy stamps and most of us barely use the postal service.  Airports?  We pay some of the highest airport taxes and flight costs.  Issuing passports?  Yeah that’s going real well.  Indian Affairs?  The payouts keep climbing with nothing but more anti-Canadian rhetoric to show for it.

Is the cost of propping up this whole facade worth it?   At least a theme park has rides and you only have to pay admission if you choose to visit.  I wonder how much more money has to be wasted to prop up this bloated DEI self-loathing federal money pit before people see how artificial and unnecessary so much of it is. 

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

How much of the federal government and its various important-sounding bureaucracies are these kinds of Potemkin villages: fake gestures at accountability, governance, and justice?  If in fact the system is a largely useless, expensive facade, maybe it needs to be replaced by an actual theme park with Mounties and moose and log cabins.  How much of this show we call the Canadian government actually does things that serve the public?  I mean, any fool can collect workers’ money, take a massive chunk of it in the form of taxes and give back little pieces as various rebates.  But what does it provide?  Military defence?  Not really.  Postal service?  Well we pay for that when we buy stamps and most of us barely use the postal service.  Airports?  We pay some of the highest airport taxes and flight costs.  Issuing passports?  Yeah that’s going real well.  Indian Affairs?  The payouts keep climbing with nothing but more anti-Canadian rhetoric to show for it.

Is the cost of propping up this whole facade worth it?   At least a theme park has rides and you only have to pay admission if you choose to visit.  I wonder how much more money has to be wasted to prop up this bloated DEI self-loathing federal money pit before people see how artificial and unnecessary so much of it is. 

I'm curious to see how the population will react to this unserious yet crippling governance in a trade war

bearing in mind that the American tariffs will be like a permanent recession

while the Canadian retaliatory tariffs will be like permanent inflation

ultimate stagflation scenario

even worse, because governments will be taking in less revenue, there could be tax increases

even worse on top ; because prices are rising, they could raise interest rates

then factor in how the American government has spent the last decade making its economy much stronger

while this Canadian government has spent the last decade deliberately crippling its own economy

[Barquentine]

I'm new here. Until I read some of the posts on here I didn't realize how horrible a place Canada is. Thinking now of moving to Sudan or North Korea, maybe Haiti ... They have Doordash there?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm curious to see how the population will react to this unserious yet crippling governance in a trade war

bearing in mind that the American tariffs will be like a permanent recession

while the Canadian retaliatory tariffs will be like permanent inflation

ultimate stagflation scenario

even worse, because governments will be taking in less revenue, there could be tax increases

even worse on top ; because prices are rising, they could raise interest rates

then factor in how the American government has spent the last decade making its economy much stronger

while this Canadian government has spent the last decade deliberately crippling its own economy

Well again the question is how much more are Canadians willing to pay to prop up an already expensive regime that doesn’t provide much value and doesn’t really believe in Canada as a country?   The regime shames its cultural roots and juices its growth rates with mass immigration (even as per capita GDP and incomes fall).   For what, a weak dollar from which the wimpy DEI Liberal leaders have removed our first Prime Minister?  I’ll take 51st state over Post-National gender confused state.  

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well again the question is how much more are Canadians willing to pay to prop up an already expensive regime that doesn’t provide much value and doesn’t really believe in Canada as a country?   The regime shames its cultural roots and juices its growth rates with mass immigration (even as per capita GDP and incomes fall).   For what, a weak dollar from which the wimpy DEI Liberal leaders have removed our first Prime Minister?  I’ll take 51st state over Post-National gender confused state.  

Canadians will never accept American freedom

Canadians will never accept the 1st nor 2nd Amendments

Canadians do not believe in free speech

about the only British thing left in Canadian society is silencing people in the name of the King's Peace

Canadians have a pathological aversion to a right to bear arms

even Canadian gun advocates don't want the 2nd Amendment

Canadians will never accept the US Military

American Divisions on Canadian soil ? 

Methinks Canadians would rather fight an actual shooting war than accept any of those terms

Edited January 31 by Dougie93

[I am Groot]

On 1/13/2025 at 9:32 PM, Radiorum said:

That means that some groups are more disadvantaged in our systems than others. This is certainly true of Indigenous peoples.  

Please explain in what way indigenous people are 'disadvantaged'. Also, what exactly does 'disadvantaged' mean?

On 1/16/2025 at 5:27 PM, DUI_Offender said:

Wab Kinew is becoming my favorite Premier. He also would not hesitate to beat the s**t out of any MAGA hyena.

 

Why is he your favorite premier? Because he hates Canada too?

[I am Groot]

On 1/26/2025 at 4:43 PM, herbie said:

How does teaching THE TRUTH undermine history or get labelled as "woke"?

Whose truth? 

[I am Groot]

On 1/27/2025 at 11:05 PM, herbie said:

More 19th century settler mindset.
The stories aren't good enough, dig up sacred ground and prove it to the white man. Now!

No. Stories are not good enough. Especially when the government offered up big rewards to anyone who could tell a good story - no evidence required.

On 1/28/2025 at 5:36 PM, herbie said:

Settlers. Colonizers. Imperialists. Enough said.

If you feel so guilty, give your stuff to the nearest native you find and leave.

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

If you feel so guilty, give your stuff to the nearest native you find and leave.

My sentiment exactly, but milage varies and it might just be me.

Half of my extended family is native and that middle school "moment of silence for unceded territories" thing usually gets an eye roll from them. It's like really? Who do you think you're kidding here? You'd be paying rent to the band if you really felt that way about it.

- Funny how It always seems to be non natives that are into this stuff, at least from what I've seen.

I get exactly the same feeling from those road signs marked "Highway of Heroes." I say give that old gunner the hearing aids he needs and stop jerking him around... guess what you can do with the damn sign?

- Funny how it always seems to be non veterans that are into this stuff, at least from what I've seen. 

 

[herbie]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Whose truth?

The OBJECTIVE TRUTH not what you merely BELIEVE .
 

 

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

"moment of silence for unceded territories" thing usually gets an eye roll from them

No shit. Acknowledge the obvious hundreds of years later. Apologize for something we have no personal responsibility for, that was done long before we were even born, rather than actually address a long standing grievance.
Refusing to address their concerns and sticking to 'assimilation' is what needs apologies from the present "us".

 

[NAME REMOVED]

NDP really screwed up by choosing Jagmeet over Charlie Angus.